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Since: Mar 12

France

#21 Jan 14, 2013
rio wrote:
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Cope is a clone of Sarkozy; he will deliver the same results. Strong in bragging, poor in real efficiency terms.
Fillon is a bit more stateman-like, but his tiff with Cope did him a diservice. He should have split the UMR, instead of shouting foul.
The right wing in France needs somebody of the stature and personality of de Villepin, although himself is now just an also-ran.
The last good contender from the right was Chirac; it's a great pity he never found a worthy successor.
Chirac and Sarko politically murdered anybody who could overshadow them. No wonder the soil looks a bit barren right now.
rio

UK

#22 Jan 15, 2013
Tigerrlily wrote:
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The russian and chinese veto leaves Assad with a free rein. We are not talking about any ordinary civil war here, but an authoritarian bloodthirsty regime who do not represent anybody but itself. All structured opposision has been eradicated long ago and the propensity of Assad to massacre his countrymen a bit too easily oies not abate. The longer it lists, the direst the outcome will be on the region
It still remains that it is a civil war, and that no outsider should intervene in it. Any civil war is bloody.

America wouldn't have welcome a foreign interference during the Civil War. We have also seen what foreign help in civil war can bring; just look at Spain where the Nationalist received help from fascist countries.

To me, the Russian and Chinese's policy of non-interference should be applauded. It's the West which can't keep its paws from any troublespot, to shape it to its interests.

Since: Mar 12

Paris, France

#23 Jan 15, 2013
rio wrote:
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It still remains that it is a civil war, and that no outsider should intervene in it. Any civil war is bloody.
America wouldn't have welcome a foreign interference during the Civil War. We have also seen what foreign help in civil war can bring; just look at Spain where the Nationalist received help from fascist countries.
To me, the Russian and Chinese's policy of non-interference should be applauded. It's the West which can't keep its paws from any troublespot, to shape it to its interests.
America welcomed Lafayette with open arms ... Foreign interventions in local quarrels is as old as the world. Sometimes you cannot content yourself with sitting back and counting the dead.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#24 Jan 15, 2013
Tigerrlily wrote:
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America welcomed Lafayette with open arms ... Foreign interventions in local quarrels is as old as the world. Sometimes you cannot content yourself with sitting back and counting the dead.
Lafayette? That was during the War of Independence, circa 1771, and not the Civil war that occured a century later. As far as I know, not ouside help was given to the belligerents then.

I see foreign interventions as something of a gamble. Obviously one side will be favoured and allowed to win; often to suit the interests of intervening countries. But that only puts the lid on a latent conflict, and further down the road, sometimes a century later, the conflict blows up all over again.

Apart from orchestrating a regime change in Syria, what does the West expect to achieve there? Syria had a secular leader who wasn't threatening Israel, and almost coming to terms with it.

What will be the future we don't know. A lot of Islamist countries have send radicals there to stir up the rebellion. Now the West wants the UN to lift the arms embargo and supply the rebels, without even knowing who will form the next government! Seems daft to me! They should remember what it cost them to arm the pashtuns against the Soviets in Afghanistan: 9/11 no less!
If we go by Tunisia, Libya or Egypt, all these regime changes put in power Islamists, radicals and anti-West governments.
I can't see Syria being different, and the US and the West will not get a pro-West government there!
Sometimes you have to be carefull about what you wish for!

AS long as these people kill each other and don't threaten us, we should stay away from the cauldron, instead of jumping in it with both feet!

Since: Mar 12

Paris, France

#25 Jan 17, 2013
rio wrote:
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Apart from orchestrating a regime change in Syria, what does the West expect to achieve there? Syria had a secular leader who wasn't threatening Israel, and almost coming to terms with it.
The secular leaders have gagged, hunted and murdered all secular & moderate opposition for decades with Western assent. Their secularity was their best selling argument which allowed Kadhafi and Assad Sr & Jr to foster international terrorism (Lockerbie anyone ? IRA ?), finace hezbollah among a few other things. In the absence of any upheavalther was no ground for intervention. The particular organisation of this police state plus Assad's ruthlessness means that he will have the last Syrian killed before he steps down of his own accord. As the end is inevitable, better have a say in what happens next.

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