Depardieu granted citizenship in Russia

[rio]

Putin Grants French Actor Depardieu Russian Citizenship

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130103/178559428/P...

[Alexandre]

Depardieu is a hero. He sent a strong signal to this government. This absolutely odious government.

~A~

[rio]

It's not only Depardieu; there are plenty of French deciding to leave the country and settle abroad.
Most of the businessmen are attracted by London. Most of the srtists go to Switzerland. The rich investors go to Belgium.
Holland is chasing people away...

[Alexandre]

rio wrote:

It's not only Depardieu; there are plenty of French deciding to leave the country and settle abroad.
Most of the businessmen are attracted by London. Most of the srtists go to Switzerland. The rich investors go to Belgium.
Holland is chasing people away...

Yes and this government is an utter disaster.

[the examiner]

rio wrote:

It's not only Depardieu; there are plenty of French deciding to leave the country and settle abroad.
Most of the businessmen are attracted by London. Most of the srtists go to Switzerland. The rich investors go to Belgium.
Holland is chasing people away...

Hollande is a person who has small ambitions, a small timer. Big results require big ambitions.

[rio]

Alexandre wrote:

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Yes and this government is an utter disaster.

It's the country that is an utter disaster!

[Tigerrlily]

rio wrote:

It's not only Depardieu; there are plenty of French deciding to leave the country and settle abroad.
Most of the businessmen are attracted by London. Most of the srtists go to Switzerland. The rich investors go to Belgium.
Holland is chasing people away...

So do Britons, Germans, italians etc. Some if these settle here. Only natural that people move about accirding to what they perceive as their best interest.

My company takes trainees from Paris top business schools and universities, half of them foreign. The present government is making some progress in the fair treatment of foreign students & workers, it should improve the situation quite a bit.

[rio]

Tigerrlily wrote:

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So do Britons, Germans, italians etc. Some if these settle here. Only natural that people move about accirding to what they perceive as their best interest.
My company takes trainees from Paris top business schools and universities, half of them foreign. The present government is making some progress in the fair treatment of foreign students & workers, it should improve the situation quite a bit.

I wouldn't consider France as a country where to settle . I think Britain offers much more opportunities.
I like France for the scenery, the sea, the mountains, the good infrastructures, the climate and the food. I don't think it has a business environment like Britain though.

[Tigerrlily]

rio wrote:

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I wouldn't consider France as a country where to settle . I think Britain offers much more opportunities.
I like France for the scenery, the sea, the mountains, the good infrastructures, the climate and the food. I don't think it has a business environment like Britain though.

You may add top universities at a fraction of the price of anglo-saxon countries, a renowned cultural scene... The place has its own attractions.

To Britain's credit I would put a good attitude towards appreciating skills over formal qualifications, but most of my contacts with the NHS were rather scary at the time, enough to make me reconsider any thoughts of moving over..

[Tigerrlily]

Alexandre wrote:

Depardieu is a hero. He sent a strong signal to this government. This absolutely odious government.
~A~

Big Gege had already disgraced himself enough by his antics - by the way he is expected in court tomorrow over one of the last episodes. Now his declarations about Russia being a great democracy make him a sad buffoon indeed.

[rio]

Tigerrlily wrote:

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Big Gege had already disgraced himself enough by his antics - by the way he is expected in court tomorrow over one of the last episodes. Now his declarations about Russia being a great democracy make him a sad buffoon indeed.

You have to admit that Poutine was successful with his PR stun, and that Russia, which is usually derided in the West, suddently became a beacon for persecuted achievers from France!

I think Russia is a great democracy now!

[Alexandre]

Tigerrlily wrote:

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Big Gege had already disgraced himself enough by his antics - by the way he is expected in court tomorrow over one of the last episodes. Now his declarations about Russia being a great democracy make him a sad buffoon indeed.

please dont tell me you that are supporting this amateur government? Russia is a better place to do business than France. Russia doesnt let in hundreds of thousands of arabs per year. So to me yes Russia is a better democracy than France. France has become a communist country.

[rio]

Alexandre wrote:

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please dont tell me you that are supporting this amateur government? Russia is a better place to do business than France. Russia doesnt let in hundreds of thousands of arabs per year. So to me yes Russia is a better democracy than France. France has become a communist country.

The French voted for Hollande, it seems, only because they wanted to get rid of Sarkozy who had become unsufferable. But it's also good for the right that the socialists now in power will have to enforce the budget cuts needed by the econimic downturn: that will make them very unpopular for the next time!
Hollande is really a lame duck in a shooting gallery; he seems to have no clue, and his government is divided. The French will have to suffer these incompetents for 5 years!
Hopefully, the right will have time to pick up a charismatic and efficient leader by then (I don't mean Coppe of Fillon) who will be able to redress the country.

[the examiner]

rio wrote:

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The French voted for Hollande, it seems, only because they wanted to get rid of Sarkozy who had become unsufferable. But it's also good for the right that the socialists now in power will have to enforce the budget cuts needed by the econimic downturn: that will make them very unpopular for the next time!
Hollande is really a lame duck in a shooting gallery; he seems to have no clue, and his government is divided. The French will have to suffer these incompetents for 5 years!
Hopefully, the right will have time to pick up a charismatic and efficient leader by then (I don't mean Coppe of Fillon) who will be able to redress the country.

They all come from the same French elite school sytem. So whoever governs France, it won't change much. Maybe France needs some one like Depardieu or Colluche to be president.

[rio]

the examiner wrote:

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They all come from the same French elite school sytem. So whoever governs France, it won't change much..

There is a huge difference between a UMP-led government and a Socialist-led government, even if both leaders graduated from the "Ecole Nationale d'Administration".

What you say is like believing that everybody will think the same if they attend the same university; of course not!

[Alexandre]

rio wrote:

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The French voted for Hollande, it seems, only because they wanted to get rid of Sarkozy who had become unsufferable. But it's also good for the right that the socialists now in power will have to enforce the budget cuts needed by the econimic downturn: that will make them very unpopular for the next time!
Hollande is really a lame duck in a shooting gallery; he seems to have no clue, and his government is divided. The French will have to suffer these incompetents for 5 years!
Hopefully, the right will have time to pick up a charismatic and efficient leader by then (I don't mean Coppe of Fillon) who will be able to redress the country.

Cope is fine. he is just fne. whats the problem with him? articulate and smart. and he says it the way it is. what else do you need?

[rio]

Alexandre wrote:

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Cope is fine. he is just fne. whats the problem with him? articulate and smart. and he says it the way it is. what else do you need?

Cope is a clone of Sarkozy; he will deliver the same results. Strong in bragging, poor in real efficiency terms.
Fillon is a bit more stateman-like, but his tiff with Cope did him a diservice. He should have split the UMR, instead of shouting foul.
The right wing in France needs somebody of the stature and personality of de Villepin, although himself is now just an also-ran.
The last good contender from the right was Chirac; it's a great pity he never found a worthy successor.

[Tigerrlily]

rio wrote:

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You have to admit that Poutine was successful with his PR stun, and that Russia, which is usually derided in the West, suddently became a beacon for persecuted achievers from France!
I think Russia is a great democracy now!

Russia is a plague ridden plutocracy where you can be robbed of your own business without reason (Magnitsky anyone ?) Putin was happy as punch but his stunt is not likely to make people forget the trouble of his country or the way russian veto provices a convenient umbrella for Assad to go on murdering his countrymen

Meanwhile Depardieu has become the laughing stock of Eastern Europe (some Polish friends are having a field day)

[rio]

Tigerrlily wrote:

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the way russian veto provices a convenient umbrella for Assad to go on murdering his countrymen

I don't agree. Russia is far from giving support to Assad.
After all, a civil war should be settled withoin the country without foreign interference; that is the best outcome possible.

What is behind Russia's veto is mostly a refusal to give a blank cheque to US and Western interests in managing yet another regime change!

The US would like nothing more that an armed intervention to put one of their puppets in power in Syria, so to please their client state Israel. They have already achieved that in Irak and Afghanistan.

Rather than condemning Russia, we should praise it for opposing the US ambition all across the Middle East.

[Tigerrlily]

rio wrote:

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I don't agree. Russia is far from giving support to Assad.
After all, a civil war should be settled withoin the country without foreign interference; that is the best outcome possible.
What is behind Russia's veto is mostly a refusal to give a blank cheque to US and Western interests in managing yet another regime change!
The US would like nothing more that an armed intervention to put one of their puppets in power in Syria, so to please their client state Israel. They have already achieved that in Irak and Afghanistan.
Rather than condemning Russia, we should praise it for opposing the US ambition all across the Middle East.

The russian and chinese veto leaves Assad with a free rein. We are not talking about any ordinary civil war here, but an authoritarian bloodthirsty regime who do not represent anybody but itself. All structured opposision has been eradicated long ago and the propensity of Assad to massacre his countrymen a bit too easily oies not abate. The longer it lists, the direst the outcome will be on the region