Questions malvinistas will not answer... such as the Expulsion 'Myth'...

[the1goodthingtha tcherdid]

francisco wrote:

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2- Que fuentes historicas?. Las tuyas?. Tus supuestas fuentes historicas dan cuenta de 23 civiles echados de alli, 47 argentinos en total.

No debato este punto mas, los 19 familiares formaban parte de la guarnicion, retenerlos en las islas contra su voluntad habria sido un acto criminal. Cuando Argentina repatrio a ls soldados britanicos que habian capturados en su invasion, deberian de haber dejado sus parientes en las islas sin sus hombres?

Los 4 empleados se fueron voluntariamente, un hecho probado por Pinedo y Onslow, y creido por todo historiador.

francisco wrote:

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3- Con nombre hispano.... O sea que reconoces que no podes probar que dejaste a argentinos viviendo en las islas despues del 3 de enero de 1833.
Gracias....

Si claro, pero todo historiador dice que lo fueron, y si no, no fue una colonia argentina.

francisco wrote:

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4- Habia 23 argentinos civiles y 47 en total, quienes quedaron es algo que vos no podes probar a fe cierta en lo que respecta a sus nacionalidades, salvo claro, los pocos que si supo de donde eran.

Solo puedo probar que 4 personas hispanas se fueron, y que 13 se quedaron. Estos eran la totalidad de la poblacion civil de habla espanyola. Lo cual significa que no hubo expulsion.

francisco wrote:

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5- Si no quedaronb argentinos en las islas es plor que un señor muy agradable, un tal Onslow los obligo a irse al cambiarles su país y bandera por otra bandera y otro país.

Sencillamente no tienes ninguna evidencia por eso. Hay evidencia que los gauchos eran felices con el cambio de bandera, y eso es lo unico que sabemos de las opiniones de los civiles.

francisco wrote:

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6- Poblacion mayoritariamente argentina que desaparecio de las islas un 3 de enero de 1833.

Y llego el 3 de octubre 1832.

francisco wrote:

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7- En aquella epoca, las guarniciones argentinas estaban constituidas por hombres con sus familias que, en el caso de los soldados y sub oficiales, estaban tal vez de pór vida destinados alli.
Igual es lo de menos, pues un gobierno extranjero no es quien para decirle a un ciudadano argentino en que parte de su país es mas o menos ciudadano o habitante.

Entonces los parientes no son residentes de los lugares en que existe la guarncion, son una poblacion transiente que va doinde les manda el estado.

francisco wrote:

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8- Salvo por el hecho de que Rivero es reconocido como argentino por toda la historiografia tanto oficial como revisionista de la Argentina.
Y te aclaro que el costo de jerme sin heroe nacional, es el de reconocer aun con mucho mayor grado, que no dejaron a ni un solo argentino alli.
Lo cual obviamente empeora sobremanera tu discruso de que no echaron a nadie....

Me encata esto, los historiadores dicen que la poblacion hispana era mayoritamente argentina, pero esto no va. Pero cuando dicen que Ribeiro fue argentino es el Evangelio segun San Juan Peron.

[francisco]

Otro reporte al pedo....

[Deanstreet]

francisco wrote:

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Vamos, vamos....
Siempre he respondido tus preguntas.
Y siempre he citado fuentes para mis respuestas.
Empezaste el año con muy poca imaginación....

Always answered questions...?

Weeeeeeelll yes maybe....

But authoritively, because let's see....

You never ever came up with the 1771 secret clause, even though you were adamant that it existed..

You never ever came up with an official protest for the period 1849 to 1884, then for the second period 1888 to 1941...

Nootka Sound Convention, I asked you to provide proof that another treaty superseded this when war killed it off...
You provided something about the Treaty of Amiens, but there's nothing in it that mentions nor supports the Nootka Sound Convention/s..

So francesca, no you have not answered my questions, except in calling me by abusive names and hurling other insults at me in a fashion that uis more akin to a child of five throwing a tantrum..

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands

[francisco]

Deanstreet wrote:

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Always answered questions...?
Weeeeeeelll yes maybe....
But authoritively, because let's see....
You never ever came up with the 1771 secret clause, even though you were adamant that it existed..
You never ever came up with an official protest for the period 1849 to 1884, then for the second period 1888 to 1941...
Nootka Sound Convention, I asked you to provide proof that another treaty superseded this when war killed it off...
You provided something about the Treaty of Amiens, but there's nothing in it that mentions nor supports the Nootka Sound Convention/s..
So francesca, no you have not answered my questions, except in calling me by abusive names and hurling other insults at me in a fashion that uis more akin to a child of five throwing a tantrum..
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands

Ovejita pelotuda:

Siempre conteste, y te deje mal parado, dicho sea de paso.

La famosa clausula de 1771 no es invento mio, ha sido mencionada miles de veces por historiadores profesionales.

Te he preguntado miles de veces si tenias algo bueno parea leer de algun prestigioso historiador que nos permitiera pensar que definitivamente tal clausula no existio.

Nunca trajiste nada....

No te pedi que probaras nada, simplemente te pedi que nos traigas algo interesante para leer.

Nunca lo hiciste....

No podes ofrecer nada nuevo al respecto.

Las protestas?.

Cite los documentos de tu PRO que las mencionan en detalle.

Desde 1832 en adelante, hasta 1908.

Inclusive te di citas de bibliografia britanica que las mencionan (Gavshon Y Rice).

Pudiste probar que tales documentos del PRO no existen o bien que su contenido no tiene nada que ver con las protestas que he mencionado?.

No....

Pudiste probar que el tratado de Amiens (ese que vos dijiste que UK jamas firmo...) modifico en forma alguna lo convenido en Nootka?.

No....

Ves?.

Podes pensar que te burlas de mi, podes pensar que algun día me vas a cansar.

Lamento informarte que disfruto mucho tu absurdo jueguito troll.

Gracias a el, te destrozo una y otra vez sin piedad.

Lastima....

:-D

[Ace McCloud]

The questions the Argentine conquistador's cannot answer is very long. Since they have no legal case (they are afraid of ICJ) they have no moral justification (enslaving populations is not accepted in 2012) and they have no military capability (UK has one of the worlds most advance and well trained military forces)

They have nothing other than there own internal issues.

[francisco]

No te despegues de la barra....

Tomate otra ronda.

Vos pagas!.

Borrachin de pub ingles...

[Ace McCloud]

francisco wrote:

No te despegues de la barra....
Tomate otra ronda.
Vos pagas!.
Borrachin de pub ingles...

English please.

[francisco]

Ace McCloud wrote:

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English please.

Nop....

[Ace McCloud]

Looking back on recent history of Argentinas dispute over the Islands, nothing has changed in the 30 years since Argentina was defeated by the British in the Falklands War, after the unprovoked attack on the peaceful civilisation on the Falkland Islands.

What has Argentina got back for all the effort it has spent on indoctrinating its school children, making themselves look like idiots at global summits and officially sanctioning pulling school boy stunts like that of the Olympic hockey player fiasco?

Nothing!! They are not even one step advanced of where they were in 1982. If anything they have gone backwards. The Islanders have another 30 years of self determination behind them and the world has moved even further towards democracy.

Next year (2013)the Islanders will hold a referendum they can present to the U.N making an unequivocal statement for their homeland and community.

I have viewed these forums for a good time now and have yet to see either a strong legal case from those supporting Argentinas cause or a direct answer to the question 'How will you change the current status'?

It is clear

Argentina has no legal case, No moral justification and no military capability.

[MALVINAS ARGENTINAS]

Ace McCloud wrote:

Looking back on recent history of Argentinas dispute over the Islands, nothing has changed in the 30 years since Argentina was defeated by the British in the Falklands War, after the unprovoked attack on the peaceful civilisation on the Falkland Islands.
What has Argentina got back for all the effort it has spent on indoctrinating its school children, making themselves look like idiots at global summits and officially sanctioning pulling school boy stunts like that of the Olympic hockey player fiasco?
Nothing!! They are not even one step advanced of where they were in 1982. If anything they have gone backwards. The Islanders have another 30 years of self determination behind them and the world has moved even further towards democracy.
Next year (2013)the Islanders will hold a referendum they can present to the U.N making an unequivocal statement for their homeland and community.
I have viewed these forums for a good time now and have yet to see either a strong legal case from those supporting Argentinas cause or a direct answer to the question 'How will you change the current status'?
It is clear
Argentina has no legal case, No moral justification and no military capability.

Still Argentina is MUCH better than a criminal,terrorist country like uk,,uk IS FINISHED like you...SA DOES NOT CARE ABOUT uk,,,

[Deanstreet]

Ace McCloud wrote:

Looking back on recent history of Argentinas dispute over the Islands, nothing has changed in the 30 years since Argentina was defeated by the British in the Falklands War, after the unprovoked attack on the peaceful civilisation on the Falkland Islands.
What has Argentina got back for all the effort it has spent on indoctrinating its school children, making themselves look like idiots at global summits and officially sanctioning pulling school boy stunts like that of the Olympic hockey player fiasco?
Nothing!! They are not even one step advanced of where they were in 1982. If anything they have gone backwards. The Islanders have another 30 years of self determination behind them and the world has moved even further towards democracy.
Next year (2013)the Islanders will hold a referendum they can present to the U.N making an unequivocal statement for their homeland and community.
I have viewed these forums for a good time now and have yet to see either a strong legal case from those supporting Argentinas cause or a direct answer to the question 'How will you change the current status'?
It is clear
Argentina has no legal case, No moral justification and no military capability.

What has argentina achieved...

Got rid of scores of thousands of its own peoples - that's all..

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands

[francisco]

Ace McCloud wrote:

Looking back on recent history of Argentinas dispute over the Islands, nothing has changed in the 30 years since Argentina was defeated by the British in the Falklands War, after the unprovoked attack on the peaceful civilisation on the Falkland Islands.
What has Argentina got back for all the effort it has spent on indoctrinating its school children, making themselves look like idiots at global summits and officially sanctioning pulling school boy stunts like that of the Olympic hockey player fiasco?
Nothing!! They are not even one step advanced of where they were in 1982. If anything they have gone backwards. The Islanders have another 30 years of self determination behind them and the world has moved even further towards democracy.
Next year (2013)the Islanders will hold a referendum they can present to the U.N making an unequivocal statement for their homeland and community.
I have viewed these forums for a good time now and have yet to see either a strong legal case from those supporting Argentinas cause or a direct answer to the question 'How will you change the current status'?
It is clear
Argentina has no legal case, No moral justification and no military capability.

Que espirituosa tomaste para escribir tantas idioteces de un tiron?.

Que buen efecto que hace!

Te costo pagar la cuenta?.

Pedila de nuevo!.

Da buenos resultados para tu etilica mente, tu cirrosis inminente, y mi risa incontenible!.

:-D

[francisco]

Deanstreet wrote:

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What has argentina achieved...
Got rid of scores of thousands of its own peoples - that's all..
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands

Pero aun asi vos no lloras para que tengamos en cuenta.

Patetico...

[Deanstreet]

francisco wrote:

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Pero aun asi vos no lloras para que tengamos en cuenta.
Patetico...

might be pathetic...

But...

It is a true statement...

One that you can't disprove...

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands

[francisco]

Deanstreet wrote:

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might be pathetic...
But...
It is a true statement...
One that you can't disprove...
Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands

Cual?.

El de que lloriqueas para que te reconozcamos?.

Jamas lo desmentiria!

Son unos pateticos llorones!.