Would you accept an independent Falklands?

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wheretogo

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#1 Jun 29, 2011
A question to all British, Argentine and Falkland Islanders

If all parties agreed would you accept the Falklands being a totally Independent Country to resolve the issue between all three parties?

Please give reasons for your answers as to me this appears to be the only option for a negotiated settlement. To me in a simplistic way it would mean the Falklands wouldn't be British or Argentine therefore no problem.

I'm sure some of you will have different ideas.
EXOCET

Argentina

#2 Jul 2, 2011
No habrá independencia en las islas Malvinas mientras Argentina siga firme con su reclamo en todos los foros internacionales. La única forma es que la expulsen y le den la razón a Gran Bretaña, cosa que no ha sucedido y no creo que suceda. Hace 46 años que las islas Malvinas, Georgias y Sandwich del sur son territorios en disputa y reconocido mundialmente. Los foros internacionales no dicen que los archipiélagos son británicos, están ocupadas por ellos y puntol
Produce malestar entre los británicos y tratan de agredir como sea a la Argentina cuando esta recibe apoyo de todos lados.

Saludos!!!
leanmeanmachine

Durham, UK

#3 Jul 2, 2011
An independant Falklands is perfectly acceptable to any Brit providing it was the wish of the islanders, but lets face it this could never happen due to the Falklands having neighbours who would quite happily invade and commit ethnic cleansing the moment independence was gained.
Malvinense1

Campbellton, Canada

#4 Jul 2, 2011
leanmeanmachine wrote:
An independant Falklands is perfectly acceptable to any Brit providing it was the wish of the islanders, but lets face it this could never happen due to the Falklands having neighbours who would quite happily invade and commit ethnic cleansing the moment independence was gained.
I do nto want to about brits hooligan like you around...
Rocket

Tucuman, Argentina

#5 Jul 2, 2011
leanmeanmachine wrote:
An independant Falklands is perfectly acceptable to any Brit providing it was the wish of the islanders, but lets face it this could never happen due to the Falklands having neighbours who would quite happily invade and commit ethnic cleansing the moment independence was gained.
La limpieza étnica la hicieron los británicos en 1833, cuando invadieron el establecimiento argentino de Puerto Luis en la isla Soledad, arriaron la bandera argentina e izaron la británica y expulsaron a las autoridades argentina, a las milicias y parte de la población. En 1834 los invasores ingleses expulsaron a otros pobladores entre ellos a Antonio Rivero. Al establecimiento argentino de Puerto Luis los invasores ingleses lo renombraron Anson's Harbour. En ese establecimiento argentino comenzaron a instalarse los invasores ingleses hasta que Puerto Luis quedó desierto y abandonado.
La población argentina fue reemplazada por la británica.
Partiendo de una población hispanoparlante como fue posible que a las islas hayan britanizado.
wheretogo

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#6 Jul 3, 2011
What I'm trying to look at is what people of any of the countries think about independance as a solution.
If independance is seen as a solution on either side agreements would be put in place that are reconised internationally.
Again I'm looking for solutions and negociations
francisco

Argentina

#7 Jul 3, 2011
wheretogo wrote:
What I'm trying to look at is what people of any of the countries think about independance as a solution.
If independance is seen as a solution on either side agreements would be put in place that are reconised internationally.
Again I'm looking for solutions and negociations
Me parece loable tu actitud y la celebro. Pero Argentina no puede aceptar una independencia ilegal que separa una parte de su territorio. Para la Argentina las islas forman parte de su territorio soberano. No existe la posibilidad que vos propones.

Tal vez existan otras posibilidades que puedan dejar a todos más o menos conformes.

Es un tema dificil en verdad.

Creo que hay que ir de a poco. Dando pequeños pasos. Deberian empezar ustedes por abrir las islas a los argentinos, hacer más fluida la relación. Aún mucho más de lo que era antes de 1982.

Hay que abandonar los prejuicios y empezar a trabajar en el camino del conocimiento mutuo. Para gente de mente abierta, inteligente, esa es mi propuesta. Para isleños loquitos, no tengo nada que ofrecer.
wheretogo

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#8 Jul 3, 2011
"I think we should go slowly. Small steps. You should start to open the islands to the Argentinians, to smooth the relationship. Even more than it was before 1982." from francisco

Which will need to take time, you still have a local population here who have memories of 1982, been locked up in the halls, they obviously have prejudices against argentina.

I think one step Argentina could take is to be good neighbours at present it doesn't help.

However Argentines are welcome ashore and some have moved here numbers are low but they are here.
Malvinense1

Campbellton, Canada

#9 Jul 3, 2011
wheretogo wrote:
"I think we should go slowly. Small steps. You should start to open the islands to the Argentinians, to smooth the relationship. Even more than it was before 1982." from francisco
Which will need to take time, you still have a local population here who have memories of 1982, been locked up in the halls, they obviously have prejudices against argentina.
I think one step Argentina could take is to be good neighbours at present it doesn't help.
However Argentines are welcome ashore and some have moved here numbers are low but they are here.
We also have reason to dislike the brits..
francisco

Argentina

#10 Jul 4, 2011
wheretogo wrote:
"I think we should go slowly. Small steps. You should start to open the islands to the Argentinians, to smooth the relationship. Even more than it was before 1982." from francisco
Which will need to take time, you still have a local population here who have memories of 1982, been locked up in the halls, they obviously have prejudices against argentina.
I think one step Argentina could take is to be good neighbours at present it doesn't help.
However Argentines are welcome ashore and some have moved here numbers are low but they are here.
Lamentablemente creo que no somos demasiado "bienvenidos".

Puede un argentino ser propietario de una vivienda o dueño de una extension de campo en las islas?.

Puede un argentino abrir un comercio en las islas?.

Puede un matrimonio argentino tener hijos en las islas?.

Sera atendida una mujer argentina a punto de dar a luz en un hospital de las islas?.

Que significa ser buenos vecinos?.

Aceptar la explotación de recursos naturales que la Argentina considera propios, permitiendo y consintiendo tacitamente la soberania britanica y el derecho a la autodetreminación?.

Ves?. Tenemos un gran problema entre manos, y nadie va a ceder. Estamos jodidos entonces!.

Por eso, propongo que primero derribemos las barreras que nos separan. Vinculemosnos primero como personas, como seres humanos. Veamos que hay gente buena y honesta tanto en las islas como en el Continente. Conozcamosnos, derribemos prejuicios, dejemos de lado el todo o nada. Dejemos eso para las habituales discusiones en el Comite de los 24. Fuera de la esfera diplomatica, seamos más practicos, más tolerantes frente a nuestras diferencias.
lincoln ariel

Cordoba, Argentina

#11 Jul 18, 2011
creo que aqui no se aceptaria una independencia de malvinas,debe ser un caso raro en donde una guerra no resolvio el fondo del conflicto,este sigue 30 años despues y puede llegar a ser eterno si no se dialoga,¿sabes porque la guerra no resolvio nada? es porque los argumentos argentinos son fuertes y lo seguiran siendo,
wheretogo

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#12 Jul 19, 2011
lincoln ariel

I have never said that the war resolved this I know I live here but for many around the world they are still surprised that this has not been resolved.

People see that war is the ultimate decision and to be honest I wished it was in this case, however we don't always get what we wish for.
Rom

Banfield, Argentina

#13 Jul 19, 2011
Sabés que pasa wheretogo la fuerza o el poder no lo resuelve todo, como tu madre patria es un país potencia mundial cree que todo se resuelve así. No, existe la justicia, la verdad, y en este caso se está buscando eso. Y Arg apuesta a eso.
lincoln ariel

Cordoba, Argentina

#14 Jul 20, 2011
una guerra no resuelve el conflicto por un territorio,cuando el que gana la batalla no es el que tiene la razón,ni los derechos sobre ese territorio,en casos asi el conflicto persiste hasta que se hace justicia,es el caso de malvinas,el ganador mantiene el territorio por la fuerza lo que no le da derechos
Valeria Damiroxa

Cape Coral, FL

#15 Jul 30, 2011
Britain's days in the entire South Atlantic will come to an end before the middle of the 21st century. Although the U.S. and NATO-Europe are actually attempting to expand NATO into the South Atlantic, the currents of history are clearly streaming now against the global hegemony of U.S and Britain, and in favor of the developing world. The anachronism of all those islands from Ascension to South Orkneys remaining linked to a declining and perhaps disappearing "Britain" (ex-Scotland!) is becoming grotesque. Brazil's economy is now bigger then Britains. Brazil has started a submarine building program. Brazil's Defense Minister Jobim told the other defense ministers in South America (April 12.2011 at the LAAD): "Our region will be threatened due to our resources during the next 50 years: We need a dissuasive capacity against threats from outside our region!" The HMS Clyde was denied landing in Rio in January 2011, and in Montevideo, the HMS Gloucester was prevented from landing in Sept. 2010. Are the Brits reading the writing on the wall ?
Malvinense1

Thornhill, Canada

#16 Jul 31, 2011
Valeria Damiroxa wrote:
Britain's days in the entire South Atlantic will come to an end before the middle of the 21st century. Although the U.S. and NATO-Europe are actually attempting to expand NATO into the South Atlantic, the currents of history are clearly streaming now against the global hegemony of U.S and Britain, and in favor of the developing world. The anachronism of all those islands from Ascension to South Orkneys remaining linked to a declining and perhaps disappearing "Britain" (ex-Scotland!) is becoming grotesque. Brazil's economy is now bigger then Britains. Brazil has started a submarine building program. Brazil's Defense Minister Jobim told the other defense ministers in South America (April 12.2011 at the LAAD): "Our region will be threatened due to our resources during the next 50 years: We need a dissuasive capacity against threats from outside our region!" The HMS Clyde was denied landing in Rio in January 2011, and in Montevideo, the HMS Gloucester was prevented from landing in Sept. 2010. Are the Brits reading the writing on the wall ?
That is exactly rigth.uk does not realize that the empire has come to an end.
It is only a matter of time,and the balance of forces,will dictate her to go.Plus uk is Really finished economically.....
By the way,Argentina will launch soon a nuclear powered sub....
They are gonners,no doubt about that...
Whiskas

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#17 Jul 31, 2011
Malvinense1 wrote:
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That is exactly rigth.uk does not realize that the empire has come to an end.
It is only a matter of time,and the balance of forces,will dictate her to go.Plus uk is Really finished economically.....
By the way,Argentina will launch soon a nuclear powered sub....
They are gonners,no doubt about that...
If the sub is manned by the argentine airforce, and not the army or the navy, then they might, and I say might, have a chance..

I remember some army or was it a navy genereal saying "we'll fight to the death of the last airman"
Malvinense1

Thornhill, Canada

#18 Jul 31, 2011
Whiskas wrote:
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If the sub is manned by the argentine airforce, and not the army or the navy, then they might, and I say might, have a chance..
I remember some army or was it a navy genereal saying "we'll fight to the death of the last airman"
We already have discussed this.Ask,any of the brits forces,how many artillery shells,landed on San carlos...They will tell None or maybe a couple.
The army sent to Malvinas,in 90%,very civilians in uniforms.90% were totally untrained.They started the training in Malvinas(many shoot a rifle for their first time in Malvinas.
They totally lacked,artillery,this is the reason than when they wanted to attack the beach head at SC,Menendez,told them: "I can not give you any artillery support",because he did not have it!1
Is very simple.The government in Argentina,at the time,was expecting to solve the problem diplomatically,while the uk,started as a war.
a force on the Malvinas Islands and establish an Argentinean administration, the junta soon discovered that not only was Britain responding by sending a task force with four battalion-sized units of professional soldiers trained to NATO standards and at least one aircraft carrier, HMS Invincible, but that the U.S. Government had authorized British use of its facilities on Ascension Island. 59 Unfortunately, by the evening of 3 April only half of the original assault force remained on Isla Soledad (East Falkland Island). Because no plans had been developed to deal with what was felt to be the least likely scenario—defending the Malvinas Islands—Argentina was ill-prepared for what Britain was sending its way. In fact in a post-conflict interview, VADM Lombardo offered the following observation:
They [the junta] couldn‘t believe it. It seemed impossible that the British would go to so much trouble, to mobilize so many ships and modify so many merchant ships and liners over such a place as the Malvinas. For example, when Menéndez was put in charge of the Malvinas with a large party of senior officers and politicos, no one told him that it would be his task to defend the Malvinas. I sent him a message on 8 April, telling him I was coming to see what he was doing in the military sense. Menéndez...
http://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment/f45c76ac-2... ,-
Sooo,next time will do it in a different way,until the brits,are OUT OF THE SOUTH ATLANTIC.....
South America is today,uk is YESTERDAY.....GEt over with that.....
Spanish is the second language in USA,and the first in America....latinos are the largest minority in USA.....
Get used to that....
Ernest Spencer

Manchester, UK

#19 Aug 1, 2011
Oh dear me. The "bad boy made us do it" argument again.

We have been written off many times before, as you know to your cost. Surely you are not going to make the same mistakes again?

Which is why you fascisti are hysterically blubbing here in a tiny minority. When push comes to shove you always do a deal. Hard cash is it?
Malvinense1

Thornhill, Canada

#20 Aug 1, 2011
Ernest Spencer wrote:
Oh dear me. The "bad boy made us do it" argument again.
We have been written off many times before, as you know to your cost. Surely you are not going to make the same mistakes again?
Which is why you fascisti are hysterically blubbing here in a tiny minority. When push comes to shove you always do a deal. Hard cash is it?
Yes,old man. You are writting about the uk, as if the uk,was the pinnacle of perfection,justice,fairness and humanity.
uk will have TO PAY FOR HER CRIMES.NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
ernie: You are a mythomaniac!!!
uk IS OUT OF THE SOUTH ATLANTIC!!
uk dominance IS OVER!!!!
GET OVER WITH THAT!!!

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