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The1goodthingtha tcherdid

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The answer most British people would give is "nothing". Certainly their chances of getting the Falklands look like this:

Next 20 years, barring a natural disaster in Europe, or the third world war, impossible. Argentina can't take the islands, and the famous C24

20-40 years, very unlikely, would require a collapse in the British economy while Argentina flourishes, and a willingness of the UN to accept an Argentine invasion.

40-60 Years. A peaceful transition to Argentine rule is possible, but again only in the case of a collapse in the British economy while Argentina flourishes. In that case the vast majority of the Falklanders will have been born after the war and MAY decide that the cost of paying for their defence isn't worth it. They could then negotiate a similar arrangement to what they have with the UK (full autonomy, but no need for massive defence costs).
The1goodthingtha tcherdid

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Aug 26, 2012
 

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So, what can Argentina do now to make the possibility of a pro-Argentine vote possible in 50 years.

1. Offer paid scholarships to Argentina's top universities for young Falklanders.

2. Stop all rhetoric about the Falklands barring an annual letter to GB and the UN.

3. Offer concessions to the Falklands to allow their citizens to visit, including direct flights to Rio Gallegos and Buenos Aires. Subsidise the flights of any Falklander wishing to visit Argentina.

4. Apologise to the islanders for the invasion.

5. Negotiate directly with the Falklands government AS THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CROWN OF THE UK in direct control of the running of the islands. This avoids them recognising the goverment as a separate entity to the UK.

Any other ideas?
The1goodthingtha tcherdid

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Aug 26, 2012
 
"Next 20 years, barring a natural disaster in Europe, or the third world war, impossible. Argentina can't take the islands, and the famous C24 neither can nor will do anything but ask for discussions."

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The1goodthingtha tcherdid

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Aug 27, 2012
 
So from the lack of answers, we can assume Argentines here have NO idea of how to get the Falklands?

Doesn't that tell you that you need to change your attitudes? What you are doing now simply can't work.
Heinrick Svenson

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To be real I do not think Argentina could effect any change in the next 100 years. It will take many generations to pass before meaningful discussion could begin.

I agree though the bullying tactics we see in our papers in Sweden by the Argentinian government would need to stop.

I think they would need to make it also no longer an issue within Argentina. In this way a change of nationality can occur naturally without pressure. Because while there is pressure there is hate I would say.
The1goodthingtha tcherdid

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Heinrick Svenson wrote:
To be real I do not think Argentina could effect any change in the next 100 years. It will take many generations to pass before meaningful discussion could begin.
I agree though the bullying tactics we see in our papers in Sweden by the Argentinian government would need to stop.
I think they would need to make it also no longer an issue within Argentina. In this way a change of nationality can occur naturally without pressure. Because while there is pressure there is hate I would say.
I think you are right, and the strange thing is that the Argentines know this. It's really difficult to work out what they are trying to achieve.
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Heinrick Svenson wrote:
To be real I do not think Argentina could effect any change in the next 100 years. It will take many generations to pass before meaningful discussion could begin.
I agree though the bullying tactics we see in our papers in Sweden by the Argentinian government would need to stop.
I think they would need to make it also no longer an issue within Argentina. In this way a change of nationality can occur naturally without pressure. Because while there is pressure there is hate I would say.
Well you are wron,svenson.Just take care of the North Atlantic,and leave us Alone..
NOOOO BODY in SA,like the brits!
Mercosur supports Argentina: bans access to all Falklands/Malvinas flagged vessels
Mercosur member countries (Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay) finally agreed Tuesday to close its ports to ships flying the flag of the disputed Falkland/Malvinas Islands, announced Uruguay's president at the closing of the group’s two-day summit in Montevideo.

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/21/mercosur-...

US main interest is a “stable Argentina”, warns Falklands Task Force head
The head of the Royal Navy Task Force that recovered the Falkland Islands during the 1982 South Atlantic conflict has warned about UK defense cuts and underlined that United States has little interest in supporting Britain in any conflict since a stable Argentina is more important to the State Department.

Admiral Sir John “Sandy” Woodward in a letter to the Daily Telegraph said Washington was pushing for negotiations over sovereignty and “significantly the Islands are already being called the Malvinas by the US”.

With the end of the Cold War and emergence of Asian powers NATO and Britain were not as important to Washington which in 1982 played a significant part in providing satellite intelligence and missiles to British forces.

“We can no longer rely on the Pentagon to support us in helping the Islanders in their wish to remain essentially British sovereign territory,” he wrote.

This means Britain can now do “precisely nothing” to prevent Argentina retaking the Falklands.

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/13/us-main-i...
BTW also uk is ECONOMICALLY FINISHED!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
SA is FEED UP of extracontiental powers,going around in OUR TERRITORY!
DOWN WITH THE BRITS imperialists!
The1goodthingtha tcherdid

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Malvin, step down from the angry rhetoric for a second. This is not a partisan topic, it is a genuine discussion of Argentina's options.

A) Do you think that the Argentine people would, today, accept another Falklands War?

B) Do you think that Argentina's millitary could currently make landfall on the islands?

I'd have to say that the answer to both was no. The Falklands are actually very well protected, and I don't think Argentian has the missile capacity to destroy Mount Pleasant, which is the only way they could get landfall.

There will be no surprise attack this time, if Argentina moves against Britain, Britain will know before the boats have even left the dock.
francisco

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Opciones?.

Te doy una buena opción:

Pedile a TOPIX que borre todo tu thread....

Como me vas a decir que sos legitimo porpietario de algo y despues me ofreces como opcion convencer a tus propios compatriotas para que dejen de serlo y que el territorio deje de ser tuyo?.

Definite flaco!.

NADIE REGALA LO QUE DICE QUE LEGITIMAMENTE LE PERTENCE!.

Que opciones ofreces que sean a titulo gratuito?.

No seas tan estupidamente contradictorio y vacio de contenido intelectual.

Das pena....
francisco

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The1goodthingthatcherdid wrote:
Malvin, step down from the angry rhetoric for a second. This is not a partisan topic, it is a genuine discussion of Argentina's options.
A) Do you think that the Argentine people would, today, accept another Falklands War?
B) Do you think that Argentina's millitary could currently make landfall on the islands?
I'd have to say that the answer to both was no. The Falklands are actually very well protected, and I don't think Argentian has the missile capacity to destroy Mount Pleasant, which is the only way they could get landfall.
There will be no surprise attack this time, if Argentina moves against Britain, Britain will know before the boats have even left the dock.
Igual que en 1982....

Sabian de la operacion Rosario mucho antes de que se concretara.

Al MI-6 se le va a pasar tal aprestamiento militar previo?.

Naaaaaaaaaa....
the1goodthingtha tcherdid

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francisco wrote:
Opciones?.
Te doy una buena opción:
Pedile a TOPIX que borre todo tu thread....
Como me vas a decir que sos legitimo porpietario de algo y despues me ofreces como opcion convencer a tus propios compatriotas para que dejen de serlo y que el territorio deje de ser tuyo?.
Definite flaco!.
NADIE REGALA LO QUE DICE QUE LEGITIMAMENTE LE PERTENCE!.
Que opciones ofreces que sean a titulo gratuito?.
No seas tan estupidamente contradictorio y vacio de contenido intelectual.
Das pena....
This kind of attitude is intellectually consistent if one makes the assumptions you do.

But you must recognise, that without the consent of the Falklanders, Britain will not give you the islands any time soon. How do you think Argentina is going to get control of the Falklands? What steps do you think will lead to this?

The British garrison is 1200 full time soldiers, the Falkland Island Defence Force which are another 100 or so. As well as a fighter wing and naval support. There is also a reaction force that can be deployed very quickly in case of a threat.

I really don't think the millitary option is on.
francisco

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the1goodthingthatcherdid wrote:
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This kind of attitude is intellectually consistent if one makes the assumptions you do.
But you must recognise, that without the consent of the Falklanders, Britain will not give you the islands any time soon. How do you think Argentina is going to get control of the Falklands? What steps do you think will lead to this?
The British garrison is 1200 full time soldiers, the Falkland Island Defence Force which are another 100 or so. As well as a fighter wing and naval support. There is also a reaction force that can be deployed very quickly in case of a threat.
I really don't think the millitary option is on.
Yo hable de opciones militares?.

Y o las propuse acaso?.

Cuando?.

Y tu incoherencia al pretender transferime un territorio que consideras propio y a unos individuos que consideras tan britanicos como vos?.

Definite flaco!.

Definite!.

Es una contradiccion espeluznante contra tus propios argumentos la que haces!.

Si las consideras tan tuyas que carajo ofreces?.
The1goodthingtha tcherdid

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Aug 29, 2012
 
francisco wrote:
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Yo hable de opciones militares?.
Y o las propuse acaso?.
Cuando?.
Y tu incoherencia al pretender transferime un territorio que consideras propio y a unos individuos que consideras tan britanicos como vos?.
Definite flaco!.
Definite!.
Es una contradiccion espeluznante contra tus propios argumentos la que haces!.
Si las consideras tan tuyas que carajo ofreces?.
Franky, if you left the childish stuff to one side, you would see that this thread has a point. You mentioned the theory that MI6 knew about the invasion, I assumed you were implying that the Argentines could again take the islands by force. I'm glad you don't want to use millitary force to capture the Falklands.

So, leaving aside the histrionics, how do you see Argentina getting the Falklands? How do you think they can be pressured into union with Argentina? After all you reject dialogue with the population, so the option of convincing the population is closed to you.
francisco

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The1goodthingthatcherdid wrote:
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Franky, if you left the childish stuff to one side, you would see that this thread has a point. You mentioned the theory that MI6 knew about the invasion, I assumed you were implying that the Argentines could again take the islands by force. I'm glad you don't want to use millitary force to capture the Falklands.
So, leaving aside the histrionics, how do you see Argentina getting the Falklands? How do you think they can be pressured into union with Argentina? After all you reject dialogue with the population, so the option of convincing the population is closed to you.
La clave esta en esperar tu caida.

Hace 60 años eras aun dueño del mundo.

Fuiste reemplazado....

No lo notaste?.

Solo tengo que esperar hasta que la ONU logre presionarte como para obligarte una vez mas a sentarte a la mesa.

Cuestion de tiempo....

P.S: Obvio que en el camino pueden pasar muchas cosas interesantes....

El tiempo dira....

P.S 2: El infantilismo es solo tuyo al no percibir tu estupidas marchas y contra marchas argumentativas.

Encima que te hago un favor advirtiendote te quejas....
francisco

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Aug 29, 2012
 
Por cierto, por si no lo notaste me he referido aq ue dentor de los proximos 60 años seras una España o Italia más.

Apenas una sombra de lo que fuiste....

Todos suben, todos caen....

Newton aplicado a la politica internacional....
The1goodthingtha tcherdid

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Aug 29, 2012
 
Is there any reason to think the UK is more likely to collapse than Argentina? Sorry to break the news, we already are another Spain or Italy. Both of those countries could also hold the Falklands easily.

Spain may be weak, but it can still hold Ceuta and Melilla for example.
lincoln ariel

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Como plantea el primer comentario,
el becar a malvinenses en univesidades argentinas siempre fue buena idea no entiendo que espera el gobierno para aplicarla,ya que los jovenes kelpers que lo deseen podrian formarse aqui gratuitamente y conocer mejor a los argentinos,para que vean que no somos los monstruos que les dice la ultraderecha isleña y ai acercar posiciones
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Only angry nonsense from the Argentinians. I think they expect a zombie apocalypse will occur in the UK.... Then they can cross over to the Island on there outriggers.
lincoln ariel

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pelotudo!!!,el que lo propuso aqui es un pro-britanico,no lo hizo un argentino
The1goodthingtha tcherdid

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lincoln ariel wrote:
Como plantea el primer comentario,
el becar a malvinenses en univesidades argentinas siempre fue buena idea no entiendo que espera el gobierno para aplicarla,ya que los jovenes kelpers que lo deseen podrian formarse aqui gratuitamente y conocer mejor a los argentinos,para que vean que no somos los monstruos que les dice la ultraderecha isleña y ai acercar posiciones
I think you are quite right in your opinion about what Argentina should do, but I don't think there is an "ultr-right" on the islands. The Falklands are a European style welfare state without any left-right politics, the problem is that Argentina came and invaded their country. You need to realise that this is not some misunderstanding, they glimpsed a future under the heel of a foreign invader, and they didn't like it.

But disregarding the past, I think your attitude is helpful, and conducive to a detente between the argentines and the Falklanders (the metropolitan British have nothing to do with it really). Can you think of any other strategies that your government could use to bring the Falklands closer to Argentina?

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