Yako

Argentina

#845 Jul 24, 2012
Por otro lado Ace McCloud, ustedes tienen historiadores, abogados y funcionarios del gobierno británicos que dejaron asentados en documentos fechados y con números de referencia de que Inglaterra nunca tuvo derechos por Malvinas. Lo saben desde 1910.
Ricardo

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#846 Jul 24, 2012
Terry Hill wrote:
<quoted text>
the included citations within, states that prior to 1919 'conquest' was a legit way to acquire territory.
I must have accumulated at least fifteen citations which I have posted to this forum.
You did not conquer Argentina, so the dispute is not ended.
I tod you many times that Conquest by Force requires the complete desappearance of the former government of the conquered territory...which was the argentine government (Not the local government,Malvinas was a dependency of the argentine Government)
Conquest by force operates when you replace the owner as government, or when aa agreement is reached formally.
Do not insist, Terry. This dispute did not end.
Ricardo

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#847 Jul 24, 2012
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
The claim had lapsed. Peron did resuscitate it. The brain-washing then stated ~ 1950-1980 and continues with your current Peronista.
As you conveniently ignored this part of my post, I put it again...
"Resucitation" MY ASS:

??????????
Perón didn't "resucitate" the claim
You always try these tricks...apparently, for you, Argentina would have had to refresh the protest every year, and that is not the way this things are done. The protest had been presented many times since 1833, even without the need. One time would have been enough, and we did it in the very same year of the usurpation, in a long, documented, excellent letter of protest to the British Chancellor Palmerston
It is OBVIOUS that with the creation of the UN, Argentina would present the case immediately before that organism...if we wouldn't have done it you know how loud you would be screaming here that we had "abbandoned" the claim
Ricardo

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#848 Jul 24, 2012
Just in case you did not get it, Joe...the creation of the UN is the little factor you did not consider in your funny theory of the claim being "resucitated" in the 50's
Ace McCloud

UK

#849 Jul 24, 2012
Ricardo wrote:
<quoted text>
You did not conquer Argentina, so the dispute is not ended.
I tod you many times that Conquest by Force requires the complete desappearance of the former government of the conquered territory...which was the argentine government (Not the local government,Malvinas was a dependency of the argentine Government)
Conquest by force operates when you replace the owner as government, or when aa agreement is reached formally.
Do not insist, Terry. This dispute did not end.
There are many instances in history of territory won by force without the total occupation.
Ace McCloud

UK

#850 Jul 24, 2012
Yako wrote:
Por otro lado Ace McCloud, ustedes tienen historiadores, abogados y funcionarios del gobierno británicos que dejaron asentados en documentos fechados y con números de referencia de que Inglaterra nunca tuvo derechos por Malvinas. Lo saben desde 1910.
seriously kid. Get an education in life.
Deanstreet

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#851 Jul 24, 2012
Yako wrote:
<quoted text>
Desde hace 180 años que los gobiernos argentinos han protestado y reclamado por las islas Malvinas, vos no habías nacido, ni siquiera tu abuelo había nacido.
Desde hace 48 años que el caso Malvinas está en los Foros Internacionales.
En 1982 ni ustedes los ingleses sabían a donde quedaban las islas Malvinas.
Desde hace 48 años que los gobiernos argentinos viene llamando a Inglaterra para reunirse y solucionar el problema. En esa reunión pueden ponerse de acuerdo ambos gobiernos para llevar el caso a la CIJ o a los arbitrajes internacionales, pero Inglaterra le huye a la Argentina.
yako,

you have stated that for 180 years the argentine governments have protested...

Please....

You know quite well that this is not at all a true statement..

For example, between 1849 and 1884 there was no official/diplomatic protest..

Then for the period 1888 through to 1941 there was no official/diplomatic protests,,

If I am wrong, then perhaps you'd care to show one or two of these protests..?

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
Terry Hill

São Paulo, Brazil

#852 Jul 24, 2012
Ricardo wrote:
<quoted text>
You did not conquer Argentina, so the dispute is not ended.
I tod you many times that Conquest by Force requires the complete desappearance of the former government of the conquered territory...which was the argentine government (Not the local government,Malvinas was a dependency of the argentine Government)
Conquest by force operates when you replace the owner as government, or when aa agreement is reached formally.
Do not insist, Terry. This dispute did not end.
Wonderful little assertion. Just missing supporting documentation. No proof no case just empty rhetoric.
Deanstreet

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#853 Jul 24, 2012
Ricardo wrote:
<quoted text>
As you conveniently ignored this part of my post, I put it again...
"Resucitation" MY ASS:
??????????
Perón didn't "resucitate" the claim
You always try these tricks...apparently, for you, Argentina would have had to refresh the protest every year, and that is not the way this things are done. The protest had been presented many times since 1833, even without the need. One time would have been enough, and we did it in the very same year of the usurpation, in a long, documented, excellent letter of protest to the British Chancellor Palmerston
It is OBVIOUS that with the creation of the UN, Argentina would present the case immediately before that organism...if we wouldn't have done it you know how loud you would be screaming here that we had "abbandoned" the claim
So Why the need for oficial/diplomatic silences..?

For example the period 1849 to 1884....no mention whatsoever..

Then aagin, 1888 to 1941..?

Why the silence...?

This silence gives a very good impression that argentina did abandon its claim..
kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
francisco

Argentina

#854 Jul 24, 2012
Deanstreet wrote:
<quoted text>
So Why the need for oficial/diplomatic silences..?
For example the period 1849 to 1884....no mention whatsoever..
Then aagin, 1888 to 1941..?
Why the silence...?
This silence gives a very good impression that argentina did abandon its claim..
kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
Correción.

1908, Beck....

Y de su mano, Gavshon y Rice.

Todos ellos gringos como vos.

Mintieron?.
francisco

Argentina

#855 Jul 24, 2012
Por cierto, y tu silencio de 55 años?.

Ocupado?.

Distraido?.

Constipado?.

Que te paso?.
Zorro

Gisborne, New Zealand

#856 Jul 24, 2012
francisco wrote:
Por cierto, y tu silencio de 55 años?.
Ocupado?.
Distraido?.
Constipado?.
Que te paso?.
all of the above.
francisco

Argentina

#857 Jul 24, 2012
Zorro wrote:
<quoted text>
all of the above.
Entonces no molesten.

O les recordare su prescripcion....
MAlvinense1

Argentina

#858 Jul 24, 2012
Ace McCloud wrote:
<quoted text>
If you believe the Islanders and the British government has nothing then show that to the world! Enlighten us all!
For many years Argentinian government has used the Islands as a platform on which to rally nationalist feeling. Show the world it is something more! Take your case to the ICJ! If the UK refuse then you have strong arguement from which to rally support for your cause! If not then really you should all stfu! As you look like tossers to the whole world.
Sure ace of the PELOTUDOS,just take dean trash,terry and you and win at the UN next year,brits trash!!!
MAlvinense1

Argentina

#859 Jul 24, 2012
Deanstreet wrote:
<quoted text>
So Why the need for oficial/diplomatic silences..?
For example the period 1849 to 1884....no mention whatsoever..
Then aagin, 1888 to 1941..?
Why the silence...?
This silence gives a very good impression that argentina did abandon its claim..
kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
It was explained by me before,sheep REPELOTUDA!!
MAlvinense1

Argentina

#860 Jul 24, 2012
Ace McCloud wrote:
<quoted text>
seriously kid. Get an education in life.
Shut up ace of the PELOTUDOS!!
Joe

Auckland, New Zealand

#861 Jul 24, 2012
Francisco + Malvin!
What a pair of clowns!
There doesn't seem to be any cogent argument nor evidence on the Argentine side save their hot air and aggressive machismo.
Symptomatic of the country, really.
Ricardo

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#862 Jul 25, 2012
Ace McCloud wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many instances in history of territory won by force without the total occupation.
And that cases either remain disputed or have been officially settled one way or another
Ricardo

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#863 Jul 25, 2012
Deanstreet wrote:
<quoted text>
So Why the need for oficial/diplomatic silences..?
And so why the need for constant, uninterrupted protests?
Even though your pretended "periods of silence" are wrong, even if they had existed it would be irrelevant.
The protest was officially and strongly posed at the very beginning, and there is no need to be "refreshing it" constantly
It was repeated many times, however, and when the UN was created it had to be presented strongly again, obviously.
And now that you have the constant "noise" you apparently require, you whine about that as sissies...
Make up your mind
Deanstreet

Stanley, Falkland Islands (Malvinas)

#864 Jul 25, 2012
Ricardo wrote:
<quoted text>
And so why the need for constant, uninterrupted protests?
Even though your pretended "periods of silence" are wrong, even if they had existed it would be irrelevant.
The protest was officially and strongly posed at the very beginning, and there is no need to be "refreshing it" constantly
It was repeated many times, however, and when the UN was created it had to be presented strongly again, obviously.
And now that you have the constant "noise" you apparently require, you whine about that as sissies...
Make up your mind
ricardo,

it's called acquiescence, and if you don't know what it means, then look at :

http://www.unbf.ca/F6E82B9F-04EC-4123-A417-7E...

http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewconte...

http://books.google.co.uk/books...

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/A/Acqu...

http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage...

http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/...

No I suggest you read what it means in international law..

You/argentina gave up your claim not only with the 1850 Convention of Settlement, but additionally with the later acquiescence of argentina..

1850 - 1041..

Suggest you read and digest..

Also, if you wish for more examples on the International laws on acquiescence, I'll give you the necessary information and links.

Happy reading..!

Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands

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