Analysis: Putin stymies West with subterfuge

Apr 19, 2014 Full story: Marshfield News-Herald 38

MOSCOW a?? In early March, soldiers with automatic rifles, ski masks and dark green uniforms without insignias appeared at key points throughout the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea.

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USA Today

Milwaukee, WI

#1 Apr 19, 2014
Let's not forget we the USA have been indirectly involved in the "Ukrainian Protest" from the very start of the activity. But things just did not go our way. So there's nothing we can do, short of starting a Third World War, and we're not going to risk that, no matter how much of Ukraine chooses to join Russia. And above all, we should understand that we the USA would do exactly as Russia is doing, if our neighbors succumbed to civil war.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Apr 19, 2014
"there is no solid proof on whether these are rogue elements acting on their own initiative or officers taking direct orders from Moscow." ( http://www.marshfieldnewsherald.com/usatoday/... ) Nuff said.
Observer

United States

#3 Apr 19, 2014
What's the difference? The people would have rallied either way. If there were Russian advisers, then they may very well have kept Kiev from perpetrating a mass slaughter of civilians they've conveniently branded as 'terrorists'.

I think Yatsenyuk should thank Putin for potentially having kept him out of the Hague for war crimes. He is still guilty of murder though, that much is clear.
Observer

United States

#4 Apr 19, 2014
USA Today wrote:
And above all, we should understand that we the USA would do exactly as Russia is doing, if our neighbors succumbed to civil war.
I don't think so. Starting with Maidan, we would have used lethal force the minute the first molotov cocktail was thrown at the police. Now on to comparisons with Russia, we would have moved those border troops into the East in a heartbeat declaring it a pre-emptive action and as soon as tanks or MIGS appeared in the area, blown them to kingdom come.
Pro Ukraine

London, UK

#5 Apr 20, 2014
USA Today wrote:
Let's not forget we the USA have been indirectly involved in the "Ukrainian Protest" from the very start of the activity. But things just did not go our way. So there's nothing we can do, short of starting a Third World War, and we're not going to risk that, no matter how much of Ukraine chooses to join Russia. And above all, we should understand that we the USA would do exactly as Russia is doing, if our neighbors succumbed to civil war.
No Americans were involved at the start, it began with peaceful protests back in November after Yanukovich reneged on signing an association agreement with the EU, it was nothing to do with the Yanks.
There is no civil war, it's war Russkies have already invaded.
Pro Ukraine

London, UK

#6 Apr 20, 2014
Observer wrote:
What's the difference? The people would have rallied either way. If there were Russian advisers, then they may very well have kept Kiev from perpetrating a mass slaughter of civilians they've conveniently branded as 'terrorists'.
I think Yatsenyuk should thank Putin for potentially having kept him out of the Hague for war crimes. He is still guilty of murder though, that much is clear.
You are @#$&! well joking! LOL!

Since: Mar 14

Location hidden

#7 Apr 20, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>No Americans were involved at the start, it began with peaceful protests back in November after Yanukovich reneged on signing an association agreement with the EU, it was nothing to do with the Yanks.
There is no civil war, it's war Russkies have already invaded.
Go find a brain cell, my little penis friend, you are becoming such a bore!
Observer

United States

#8 Apr 20, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>No Americans were involved at the start, it began with peaceful protests back in November after Yanukovich reneged on signing an association agreement with the EU, it was nothing to do with the Yanks.
There is no civil war, it's war Russkies have already invaded.
You're out of your mind.

No further comment required.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#9 Apr 20, 2014
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
You're out of your mind.
No further comment required.
It's the truth idiot. Everybody expected Yanukovich to sign the EU agreement, when he didn't within hours people were out on the streets protesting, you think the Yanks set that up? Most Yanks had no idea what was happening in Ukraine until it turned violent in February, you were certainly quiet about it untl then.

If you're suggesting there are no Russian troops in Ukraine then it's you who's out of your mind, you bozo.
Observer

United States

#10 Apr 20, 2014
And I quote:
Pro Ukraine wrote:
There is no civil war
And I repeat:

"You're out of your mind."
.
.
The East wants nothing to do with Kiev's neo-nazi coup nor its nazi -infested so-called 'national guard'.

And neither do I.
Observer

United States

#11 Apr 20, 2014
And BTW: neither do the Ukrainian troops refusing illegal orders and/or defecting in droves.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#12 Apr 20, 2014
Observer wrote:
And I quote:
<quoted text>
And I repeat:
"You're out of your mind."
.
.
The East wants nothing to do with Kiev's neo-nazi coup nor its nazi -infested so-called 'national guard'.
And neither do I.
Russians have invaded so it's no longer a "civil war".

I already posted a link yesterday showing that most people in Eastern Ukraine don't want to be part of Russia, do you think those Russian provacatuers and commies occupying buildings in Eastern Ukraine represent the majority of Eastern Ukrainians wishes?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#13 Apr 20, 2014
Observer wrote:
And I quote:
<quoted text>
And I repeat:
"You're out of your mind."
.
.
The East wants nothing to do with Kiev's neo-nazi coup nor its nazi -infested so-called 'national guard'.
And neither do I.
I forgot to add no one cares what you want, commie!
Pro Ukraine

United States

#14 Apr 20, 2014
So, now all of a sudden and out of the blue, you're concerned with majority opinions?

How's that work, "If they agree with me, then they're a majority and if they don't, stamp them out.'?

A majority elected Yanukovych, but that didn't mean a damn thing to you, did it?

Give the bullshit a rest. It's Easter
Oliver Cromwell

Burnley, UK

#15 Apr 20, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Russians have invaded so it's no longer a "civil war".
I already posted a link yesterday showing that most people in Eastern Ukraine don't want to be part of Russia, do you think those Russian provacatuers and commies occupying buildings in Eastern Ukraine represent the majority of Eastern Ukrainians wishes?
Why do you keep repeating bullshit?Ukraine hasn't been invaded,if it had Russian Tanks would be outside every city and fighter jets would be flying over the Country,you have to keep saying its been invaded to justify that mob in Kiev,the bottom line is those in Kiev have to stand down,you are right about one thing,i don't believe most people in the East want to be part of Russia they would settle for a Federal set up,but keep pushing and then they WILL want to be part of Russia.
Observer

United States

#16 Apr 20, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>I forgot to add no one cares what you want, commie!
Calling me a commie just shows how desperate you are to post a coherent and logical defense of your position.

You have no evidence that I'm a commie, nor am I. But the world has tons of evidence that Kiev is crawling with neo-nazis.

You're desperate. Your arguments don't hold water, not even a drop. You, like all those like you, cannot justify your actions in a logical discourse so resort to violence, or in your case, petty name calling.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#17 Apr 20, 2014
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Calling me a commie just shows how desperate you are to post a coherent and logical defense of your position.
You have no evidence that I'm a commie, nor am I. But the world has tons of evidence that Kiev is crawling with neo-nazis.
You're desperate. Your arguments don't hold water, not even a drop. You, like all those like you, cannot justify your actions in a logical discourse so resort to violence, or in your case, petty name calling.
The reason I call you a commie is because of your insistence on calling me and anybody who disagrees with your distorted views a "neo-nazi", including the Ukrainian goverenment, most of whom aren't even right wing let alone neo-nazis.

You're obsessed with neo-nazis, is that because you're secretly one yourself.

Answer this question honestly.

Do you think Putin is trying to revive the Soviet Union?

If your answer is yes, then why are you supporting him?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#18 Apr 20, 2014
Oliver Cromwell wrote:
<quoted text> Why do you keep repeating bullshit?Ukraine hasn't been invaded,if it had Russian Tanks would be outside every city and fighter jets would be flying over the Country,you have to keep saying its been invaded to justify that mob in Kiev,the bottom line is those in Kiev have to stand down,you are right about one thing,i don't believe most people in the East want to be part of Russia they would settle for a Federal set up,but keep pushing and then they WILL want to be part of Russia.
Russian agents and troops are already inside Ukraine, in plain uniform without any insignia, just as Putin admitted they were in Crimea.
Observer

United States

#19 Apr 20, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer this question honestly.
Do you think Putin is trying to revive the Soviet Union?
No, I think the charge is ridiculous.

As far as neo-nazis go, if Kiev sleeps with disease infected dogs, then it ends up with disease infected fleas. When those dogs roam into the East, like they just did in Slavyansk, the population rises to deal with them. Simple human behavior in action.

The East is seeking to contain a virulent contagion of fascism. Kiev has certainly failed to do so. Who can blame the East then?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#20 Apr 20, 2014
Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I think the charge is ridiculous.
As far as neo-nazis go, if Kiev sleeps with disease infected dogs, then it ends up with disease infected fleas. When those dogs roam into the East, like they just did in Slavyansk, the population rises to deal with them. Simple human behavior in action.
The East is seeking to contain a virulent contagion of fascism. Kiev has certainly failed to do so. Who can blame the East then?
I don't think it is, Putin is pining for a return of the Soviet Union, that's why he's trying to destroy Ukraine.

neo-nazis again! Are you a descendent of Goebbels? LOL!

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