Pope met by million as Zapatero stays away from Mass

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Watch video reports at Times Online TV Read James Collard's weblog MORE THAN a million pilgrims gathered in Valencia yesterday to hear the Pope mount a staunch defence of the traditional family in an implicit ...
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god

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Jul 10, 2006
 
Zapatero has principles and won't be bullied.
Rob in NY

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Jul 10, 2006
 
god wrote:
Zapatero has principles and won't be bullied.
Actually the police put the crowd at about 300,000... and I agree, he didn't go to the mass b/c of his principles. Zapatero is a hero as far as I'm concerned, b/c he didn't buckle under to the church, and reminded them very publicly that Spain is a secular nation.
Crance

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Jul 10, 2006
 
Rob in NY wrote:
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Actually the police put the crowd at about 300,000... and I agree, he didn't go to the mass b/c of his principles. Zapatero is a hero as far as I'm concerned, b/c he didn't buckle under to the church, and reminded them very publicly that Spain is a secular nation.
2/3 rd's of the country support gay marriage, so he never had anything to worry about! His voting base was in tact!

Peace ... John
Rob in AZ

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Jul 10, 2006
 
Still,

it sure is nice to know that there is at least one politician who doesn't sanction Ratzinger's well cloaked rants against loving human beings.
Crance

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Jul 10, 2006
 
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Still,
it sure is nice to know that there is at least one politician who doesn't sanction Ratzinger's well cloaked rants against loving human beings.
The sadest thing in the article is that out of the 80% Catholic population in Spain only 1 out of 5 are practicing.

Hispanic and African Catholicism is replacing the lost Catholics of Europe!

Peace ... John
Rob in AZ

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Jul 10, 2006
 
Crance wrote:
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The sadest thing in the article is that out of the 80% Catholic population in Spain only 1 out of 5 are practicing.
Hispanic and African Catholicism is replacing the lost Catholics of Europe!
Peace ... John
Wonder why .... perhaps if there was a pope they can respect and look up to things would be different.
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Jul 10, 2006
 
Crance wrote:
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The sadest thing in the article is that out of the 80% Catholic population in Spain only 1 out of 5 are practicing.
Hispanic and African Catholicism is replacing the lost Catholics of Europe!
Peace ... John
'Tis a poor country John, maybe they cant afford to have all those children and so use protection, which is not in agreement with church laws is it??
Crance

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'Tis a poor country John, maybe they cant afford to have all those children and so use protection, which is not in agreement with church laws is it??
True, it is poor,

But I think the Pope's point was regarding this point:

The Socialist Government of Seņor Zapatero has been at loggerheads with the Vatican after legalising same-sex marriage, instituting fast-track divorce and permitting embryonic stem-cell research.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509...

Peace ... John
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Crance wrote:
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True, it is poor,
But I think the Pope's point was regarding this point:
The Socialist Government of Seņor Zapatero has been at loggerheads with the Vatican after legalising same-sex marriage, instituting fast-track divorce and permitting embryonic stem-cell research.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509...
Peace ... John
Thank you for the complete story line John, it looks to me, the Spanards have had a taste of freedom and now want nothing to infringe on those freedoms ever again, and for a country thats populace is nearly all RC it speaks volumes!!
Crance

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Jul 10, 2006
 
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Thank you for the complete story line John, it looks to me, the Spanards have had a taste of freedom and now want nothing to infringe on those freedoms ever again, and for a country thats populace is nearly all RC it speaks volumes!!
Yes Moon,

Freewill has always been the greatest temptation of mankind!

Peace ... John
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Yes Moon,
Freewill has always been the greatest temptation of mankind!
Peace ... John
Then why were we given so much of it?
Crance

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Then why were we given so much of it?
It wouldn't be a test without it!

Peace ... John
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It wouldn't be a test without it!
Peace ... John
A test of what....wills?? What John, your answers are so clipped, its almost like you are NOT getting paid for the number of words you use....dont know how to make the little smiley faces....
Crance

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Jul 10, 2006
 
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A test of what....wills?? What John, your answers are so clipped, its almost like you are NOT getting paid for the number of words you use....dont know how to make the little smiley faces....
:):):)

Yes, freewill allows us to choose the easy path OR the hard path.

Most humans want to choose the easy path every time. I know I do. Problem is, the easy path is not always the RIGHT path!

enough words??:):)

Peace ... John

PS Moon, I really tire of some of the lengthy posts on these forums, I hate reading all the words some posters write when one tenth of them will serve to explain. To be honest, I usually skip most of them!
moonstone

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Jul 10, 2006
 
Crance wrote:
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:):):)
Yes, freewill allows us to choose the easy path OR the hard path.
Most humans want to choose the easy path every time. I know I do. Problem is, the easy path is not always the RIGHT path!
enough words??:):)
Peace ... John
PS Moon, I really tire of some of the lengthy posts on these forums, I hate reading all the words some posters write when one tenth of them will serve to explain. To be honest, I usually skip most of them!
John, for a man of God, Im shooked......"skip". ...then so far I've been lucky, i will have to remember that and not write an appistle, never wrote that word before,...hope its spelled right....:):) got it!!
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Jul 10, 2006
 
god wrote:
Zapatero has principles and won't be bullied.
I agree. AND ...

"I have no objections to churches so long as they do not interfere with God's work."
-- Brooks Atkinson, quoted from The Ultimate Success Quotations Library (1997)
moonstone

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Jul 10, 2006
 
miraclegoose wrote:
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I agree. AND ...
"I have no objections to churches so long as they do not interfere with God's work."
-- Brooks Atkinson, quoted from The Ultimate Success Quotations Library (1997)
Goose, that is sooo great, I havent heard that quote for so long, i had forgotten.....and that was one of my favorites....thanks :):)
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Jul 12, 2006
 
Zapatero looks gay and an homosexual. The Mullahs are waiting to invade his country and take his butt.
Templar

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Jul 12, 2006
 
god wrote:
Zapatero has principles and won't be bullied.
Principle my a$$.:) He just wants more votes for his party.:)
Sexi_Lexis_Queen

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Jul 12, 2006
 
ASD wrote:
Zapatero looks gay and an homosexual. The Mullahs are waiting to invade his country and take his butt.
Sorry if I'm not understanding, but if the Mullahs are hot to invade and looking to take gay butt, wouldn't that make them gay too? Just because they're tops doesn't mean they aren't gay.

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