Volyn Regional Council condemns resolution of Polish Sejm

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In particular, the document states: "We, the members of the Volyn regional council, condemn anti-Ukrainian chauvinist resolution adopted by the Senate and Sejm of the Republic of Poland on the events of 1943 in Volyn.

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Clear Dharma

Lisbon, Portugal

#1 Jul 18, 2013
Ignoring the truth always fires backwards on the deceiver. Ukraine benefitted enormously in taking Poland's eastern lands under a deal between USA-Soviet Union-Britain and gaining recognition as an independent state for the first time. The Banderowcy played no part in this and they were defeated in the war together with their German allies. There was no heroism, there was no victory, there was no honour. Only cold blooded murder of innocents who's only guilt was living family lives in their own houses. Ukraine cannot possibly be reconciled and at peace as a nation until this truth is not outed inside Ukraine and written correctly into the history books.
Clear Dharma

Lisbon, Portugal

#2 Jul 18, 2013
...last line should read 'until this truth is outed'.

I struggle with the phone keyboard.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#3 Jul 18, 2013
Ukraine didn't take Poland's "Eastern lands", they were Ukraine's Western lands rightfully reunited with the rest of Ukraine, albeit not an independent Ukraine.
UPA-OUN weren't German allies, Germany's defeat wasn't their defeat, they were active for several years after the war had ended.
Clear Dharma

Lisbon, Portugal

#4 Jul 18, 2013
The rest of Ukraine as you put it was part of Russia. There was nothing to reunite with.
The bands may have been active after the war ended, bug what they were active in was murder. Those that escaped from Ukraine as after the Germans were defeated and no longer able to protect them, usually tried to disguise themselves as people of Polish origin to gain a access to USA and Canada. Slightly ironic don't you think? Many died as sad, lonely fucks with no family, no friends shunned even by their own people. Don't try to make hero's of them - they weren't.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#5 Jul 19, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
The rest of Ukraine as you put it was part of Russia. There was nothing to reunite with.
The bands may have been active after the war ended, bug what they were active in was murder. Those that escaped from Ukraine as after the Germans were defeated and no longer able to protect them, usually tried to disguise themselves as people of Polish origin to gain a access to USA and Canada. Slightly ironic don't you think? Many died as sad, lonely fucks with no family, no friends shunned even by their own people. Don't try to make hero's of them - they weren't.
Part of Russia? Like Poland was part of the Austrian Empire for 146 years, even though you Poles insist it was still a country during that time. Ukrainians are not Russians.
I don't know where you get your propaganda from, Bandera himself had a family and was living in Munich when he was assassinated by the KGB. There was a big commemoration in Lviv recently to celebrate the 70th anniversary of UPA, they are heros for many in Western Ukraine.
fyi

Seattle, WA

#6 Jul 19, 2013
because many in Western Ukraine are outright nazis!

Celebrating the UPA is the equivalent of celebrating the Nazis! How sick! The Germans have realized the horrors of fascism and denounced Nazis; when will you Ukrainians become decent human beings and denounce the UPA???
Clear Dharma

Lisbon, Portugal

#8 Jul 19, 2013
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Part of Russia? Like Poland was part of the Austrian Empire for 146 years, even though you Poles insist it was still a country during that time. Ukrainians are not Russians.
I don't know where you get your propaganda from, Bandera himself had a family and was living in Munich when he was assassinated by the KGB. There was a big commemoration in Lviv recently to celebrate the 70th anniversary of UPA, they are heros for many in Western Ukraine.
Poland was a unified nation for 800 years before it was weakened by decades of attacks by Sweden in the west and revolts at the eastern edge of the Commonwealth in the Ukraina - sufficient to weaken it financially and militarily to be unable to resist a joint invasion by the Russ and the Prussian German with the Austro-Hungarian tail wagging for the left over a.

Don't get me wrong and I've said it in the past- I don't bear any animosity to modern day Ukrainians although my own family in part suffered from Polands losses in the east. But don't think for one minute that Ukraine is Poland's equivalent historically.
Odin of Ossetia

Surrey, Canada

#9 Jul 19, 2013
Poland was weakened by its own stupidity.

There was no Austria-Hungary back then, only Austria.

Of course there were many other invaders, like Tatars, Turks, Transylvanians, Brandenburgians-Prussians.

It was the very successful Russian invasion of 1654 that paved they way for the Swedish entry into Poland the following year.
Odin of Ossetia

Surrey, Canada

#10 Jul 19, 2013
Im am not a fan of Wiki, but just to show you how wrong you are.

Well, all these over-rated Swedes descended like a bunch of vultures on an already exhausted Poland.

Read for yourself:

"In the winter and spring of 1655,(Prince) Radziwill launched a counter-offensive in Belarus, recapturing Orsha and besieging Mogilyov. This siege continued for three months with no conclusion. In January, Sheremetev and Khmelnitsky routed the Poles at Akhmatov while a second Polish army (allied with the Tatars) crushed a Russian-Ukrainian contingent at Zhashkov.

Alarmed by these reverses, the Tsar hastened from Moscow and at his instigation a massive offensive was launched. The Lithuanian forces offered little effective resistance and surrendered Minsk to the Cossacks and Cherkassky on 3 July. Vilnius, the capital of the Great Duchy of Lithuania, was taken by the Russians on 31 July. This success was followed up by the conquest of Kaunas and Hrodno in August.

Elsewhere, Prince Volkonsky sailed from Kiev up the Dnieper and the Pripyat, routing the Lithuanians and capturing Pinsk on his way. Trubetskoy's unit overran Slonim and Kletsk, while Sheremetev managed little beyond seizing Velizh on June 17. A Lithuanian garrison still resisted the Cossacks' siege in Stary Bykhov, when Khmelnitsky and Buturlin were already active in Galicia. They attacked the Polish city of Lwów in September and entered Lublin after Sapieha's defeat near Brest."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Polish_Wa...

I guess you cannot mess around with the Russians.
JanSobieskiSaved Europe

Pawling, NY

#11 Jul 19, 2013
Odin of Ossetia wrote:
Poland was weakened by its own stupidity.
Hmmmm.....

..
.... With words like this you really try to pass yourself off as "Polish"

..
..... I had some failed messiah articles I was thinking I COULD POST here today but I refrained because the Juden rabble here had settled.

..
....
..... But... Hey... I am going to post my failed messiah now!!

As you have given me the green light here!!

Thanks a bunch!!!
Odin of Ossetia

Surrey, Canada

#12 Jul 19, 2013
Yes, the "Solidarity" was one big stupidity for example.
Pro Ukraine

London, UK

#13 Jul 20, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
<quoted text>
Poland was a unified nation for 800 years before it was weakened by decades of attacks by Sweden in the west and revolts at the eastern edge of the Commonwealth in the Ukraina - sufficient to weaken it financially and militarily to be unable to resist a joint invasion by the Russ and the Prussian German with the Austro-Hungarian tail wagging for the left over a.
Don't get me wrong and I've said it in the past- I don't bear any animosity to modern day Ukrainians although my own family in part suffered from Polands losses in the east. But don't think for one minute that Ukraine is Poland's equivalent historically.
Poland was not an independent nation for 800 years.
Ukrainians do not feel inferior to Poles.
Pro Ukraine

London, UK

#14 Jul 20, 2013
I've already said that "Odin of Ossetia" isn't Polish, he's obviously Russian, he's hardly praised Poles, but praised Russians greatly. Why would a Pole use the moniker "Odin of Ossetia"? Ossetia is a province partly in Russia, partly in the Russian occupied province of South Ossetia in Georgia.
JanSobieskiSaved Europe

Pawling, NY

#15 Jul 20, 2013
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Poland was not an independent nation for 800 years.
Ukrainians do not feel inferior to Poles.
966 Modern Poland formed with the baptism of Mieszko the Polan to Catholism.

1795 Partitions of Poland with Poland completely destroyed

Yeah... I mean... I would sure say that is about 800 years.
JanSobieskiSaved Europe

Pawling, NY

#16 Jul 20, 2013
Pro Ukraine wrote:
I've already said that "Odin of Ossetia" isn't Polish, he's obviously Russian, he's hardly praised Poles, but praised Russians greatly. Why would a Pole use the moniker "Odin of Ossetia"? Ossetia is a province partly in Russia, partly in the Russian occupied province of South Ossetia in Georgia.
Uh huh... He cries about Anti Jewish prejudices... Not about Anti Russian or Anti Polish prejudices...

..
.... Why!?

I wonder why!?

Is it really so hard to figure out why!?

Can you say Z-Y-D!!!!
Martix

Kraków, Poland

#17 Jul 20, 2013
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Poland was not an independent nation for 800 years.
Ukrainians do not feel inferior to Poles.
Sorry Pro but you are talking rubbish intentionally or not.

Volyn, Eastern Galicja have been Polish for centuries, a Russian chronicler Nestor says about Polish fortified towns (so called Grody Czerwieniskie) Przemysl, Czerwien and others which were invaded in 981 by prince Vladimir the Great.

Look a the map - the invaded so aclled Grody czerwieniski were Polish till 981.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Then Poland was there for centuries. There was no Ukraine.

These land were Polish till 1772 when Russia, Germany and Austria partitioned Poland and then returned to Poland for 20 years before the WWII.

Even during partitions of Poland - Poland, not Ukraine! was recognized on these territories by many states . Ukraine was anly a region of Poland, never a country.

During WWII this was still Poland only occupied by Soviets and Nazis!!!

Stop these lies. Are you appointing the Svoboda party which is the eulogist of criminals, Nazis from UPA, which commited genocide agaist Poles, because of Nazi like ill criminal ideology spreading hatred to all who opposed this ideology and which intended the extermination of Poles and other nationalities to create space for overmen - Ukrainians. This ideology intended the division of the new Ukrainian society into the privileged caste which had the right to use "creative terror" and "animals" - the rest of the society.

You are lucky that these plans didn't come true, because it could have been worse than under Stalin!

And now you are comming back to this criminal behaviour and want to creat your national identity based on criminals who were the cancer on your nation?

READ:
Genocide in Volyn - A big part of our Poland was killed there
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/poland/T1CR1...

Ukrainians take a step into the abyss
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/poland/TD6G7...

Genocide in Wolyn – unjudged evil will come back
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/poland/TH729...
Clear Dharma

Lisbon, Portugal

#18 Jul 20, 2013
JanSobieskiSavedEurope wrote:
<quoted text>
966 Modern Poland formed with the baptism of Mieszko the Polan to Catholism.
1795 Partitions of Poland with Poland completely destroyed
Yeah... I mean... I would sure say that is about 800 years.
Your sums agree with mine:-)

Poland had too many vultures around it. That's a fact. The trick will be how yo get back on top in a much changed world .Russia has all it takes to implode. The Slavic world has no real leadership ...
Martix

Kraków, Poland

#19 Jul 20, 2013
Should be "Grody Czerwienskie"
Pro Ukraine

London, UK

#20 Jul 20, 2013
Martix wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Pro but you are talking rubbish intentionally or not.
Volyn, Eastern Galicja have been Polish for centuries, a Russian chronicler Nestor says about Polish fortified towns (so called Grody Czerwieniskie) Przemysl, Czerwien and others which were invaded in 981 by prince Vladimir the Great.
Look a the map - the invaded so aclled Grody czerwieniski were Polish till 981.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Then Poland was there for centuries. There was no Ukraine.
These land were Polish till 1772 when Russia, Germany and Austria partitioned Poland and then returned to Poland for 20 years before the WWII.
Even during partitions of Poland - Poland, not Ukraine! was recognized on these territories by many states . Ukraine was anly a region of Poland, never a country.
During WWII this was still Poland only occupied by Soviets and Nazis!!!
Stop these lies. Are you appointing the Svoboda party which is the eulogist of criminals, Nazis from UPA, which commited genocide agaist Poles, because of Nazi like ill criminal ideology spreading hatred to all who opposed this ideology and which intended the extermination of Poles and other nationalities to create space for overmen - Ukrainians. This ideology intended the division of the new Ukrainian society into the privileged caste which had the right to use "creative terror" and "animals" - the rest of the society.
You are lucky that these plans didn't come true, because it could have been worse than under Stalin!
And now you are comming back to this criminal behaviour and want to creat your national identity based on criminals who were the cancer on your nation?
READ:
Genocide in Volyn - A big part of our Poland was killed there
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/poland/T1CR1...
Ukrainians take a step into the abyss
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/poland/TD6G7...
Genocide in Wolyn – unjudged evil will come back
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/poland/TH729...
For part of the time there was the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, despite it being a joint commonwealth some Poles claim this gives them a right to Wilno/Vilnius. There were also invasons during this time from Ukraine/Russia and Sweden.
Volyn had a Ukrainian majority population three times greater than the Polish population there, it is ethnically Ukraine.
Your comments about Ukraine are extremely offensive. Poland was occupying Ukrainian territory. UPA are only popular in Western Ukraine, you will only find Bandera monuments there, there are none in Kyiv or any other region of Ukraine, they are not popular in other regions of Ukraine, because they fought against Soviets and not with them.
A lot of Poles think Ukrainians are an artificial creation and have no right to exist, there is a second generation Pole living in the UK who has created a website which glorifies Poland, he has articles about all other nationalities in the region, except Ukrainians, because according to him they are not a real nationality or ethnicity, I had some massive arguments with him on another forum several years ago, other Ukrainians attacked him also.

“ I'm proud”

Since: Mar 13

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#21 Jul 20, 2013
JanSobieskiSavedEurope wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh huh... He cries about Anti Jewish prejudices... Not about Anti Russian or Anti Polish prejudices...
..
.... Why!?
I wonder why!?
Is it really so hard to figure out why!?
Can you say Z-Y-D!!!!
Who are you kidding? The Ossetia guy cares more about Russians than Jews. If he defends Jews to you its to tease you and give you a hard time, not because he personally cares about Jews. I doubt he would defend Jews against Russian anti-semitism.

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