RF does not recognize Holodomor as genocide in Ukraine

[Red]

During the Russian Bolshevik Terror-Famine of 1932-1933 in Ukraine, Russian Bolsheviks allowed grain to rot and spoil instead of giving it to those dying because their mission was to murder as many Ukrainians as possible.

Granaries were said to be bursting at the seams from huge stocks of 'reserve' grain, which had not yet been shipped out of the Ukraine.

In some locations, grain and potatoes were piled in the open, protected by barbed wire and armed GPU guards who shot down anyone attempting to take the food.

Farm animals, considered necessary for production, were allowed to be fed, while the people living among them starved.

By the spring of 1933, the height of the famine, an estimated 25,000 persons died every day in the Ukraine.

Entire villages were perishing.

In Europe, America and Canada, persons of Ukrainian descent and others responded to news reports of the famine by sending in food supplies.

Russian Bolsheviks halted all food shipments at the border.

Russian Bolsheviks denied the existence of a famine and thus to refuse any outside assistance.

Russian Bolsheviks arrested Anyone claiming that there was a famine or for even using the word 'famine' or 'hunger' or 'starvation' in a sentence.

Russian Bolshevks bolstered their famine denial by duping members of the foreign press and international celebrities through carefully staged photo opportunities in Ukraine.

In spite of Russian Bolshevik duplicity and disinformation campaigns to denu the genocide, news still leaked out.

Many international embassies were secretly outraged by the idea that Russian Bolsheviks were using such a sinister means to genocide framers while selling grain to those very same countries.

Many international embassies were also outraged by the grand, high life led by the Russian Bolsheviks while the famine was going on.

Russian Bolsheviks were serving champagne and caviar at embassy parties in the style of the czars while the famine was raging.

Foreign embassies noted this exceptional cunning and crafty criminality of the Russian Bolsheviks used this later to fuel antiBolshevism in their countries.

Russia today is just as cunning and crafty in its Holodomor and other genocide denials--such as Russia's genocide in Chechnya.

[Red]

Ukraine is grateful for US recognition of Holodomor as genocide....

04-07-2008 16:26

President Viktor Yushchenko congratulates US President George W. Bush on occasion of national holiday

In his letter of congratulations Viktor Yushchenko noted that since Ukraine gained its independence in 1991, our states laid a strong foundation of bilateral relations that achieved a level of strategic partnership.

"We appreciate the US support to implementation of Ukraine's foreign political priorities, in particular, integration with Euro-Atlantic structures, WTO accession, international recognition of Holodomor 1932-1933 in Ukraine, energy security support," the Ukrainian President stressed.

[Bear]

Good grief guys! You have been going at this thing hammer and tongs for almost a year. Result? No one has changed their mind. Russia will never admit wrongdoing. Give it a rest and find something else to complain about.
Maybe you are so ingrained with the 21st century culture of "me victim- Boo Hoo" that you can;t stop. We will see.

[Red]

Ukraine News 2008-06-10 - Yushchenko at Holodomor exhibit
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Red]

Holodomor Torch in Argentina
Great video
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Bobo]

Obviously Russian chauvinists and supremacists still don't get that Russia must answer for its genocides to promote Russian colonialism in Ukraine.

Russia murdered millions of Ukrainians, deported millions of Ukrainians, murdered hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian intellectuals, murdered thousands of Ukraine's political spiritual, and cultural leaders all of which constitutes genocide in the extreme.

Russia employed genocide in all of the areas that had declared independence after WWII --in the Don Cossack Republic, Ukrainian People's Republic, Kuban People's Republic, Kazakh People's Republic, and Crimea.

Russian disinformers pretend the genocides happened against Russian people, but only collectivization happened against Russians. In Ukraine and other non-Russian areas, collectivization was used as the vehicle for introducing genocides to break the spirit of self-determination of nations.

The Holodomor referes to genocide against Ukraine, but Russia also commited genocides against other groups such as Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, Kazakhs, Don Cossacks, Kuban Cossacks--all the nations that tried to break away from Russia's imperial and bloody grip.

Russia committed multiple and serial genocides to advance Russian colonialism and to consolidate Russian imperialism in Ukraine and elsewhere.

Russia is accountable, not only for the Holodomor, but other genocides such as the the genocide against Afghanistan.

Russia is accountable for every genocide including the genocide going on right now in Chechnya to strangle the Chechen people into Russia imperial hold.

No one is blaming ordinary Russian people of today for the Holodomor but the Russian nation is accountable for its genocides.

Civilized countries acknowledge, apologize and atone for their crimes even when done generations ago.

Instead of reciting every imaginable imbecility to sidestep its accountability, Putinist Russia must acknowledge, apologize and atone for its genocides even when done generations ago.

[Bobo]

Russia by denying the genocide, by blocking research, by protecting the perpetrators by glorifying Stalin, by omitting all references to the genocide in school books, attracts guilt and Russia is still accountable.

Nobody blames Germany of today for the Holocaust--buy Germany was and stlll is accountable for the Holocaust.

Russia was and is still accountable for the Holodomor.

Russia is also still accountable for the genocide in Chechnya.

Evidence shows Russia targetted Ukrainians because they were a risk to the collapse of the Russian empire. Every vestige of Ukrainian sovereignty and national identity was attacked.

Russia sent in Kossior and hundreds of thousands of Red Army and NKVD troops to carry out the genocide.

The stolen grain, gold, silver heirlooms and any other little wealth of the Ukrainian farmers and their families was stolen and used to enrich Moscow, Leningrad, and Russia as a whole.

Western diplomats, especially the Italians, who witnessed the outrageous decadence at Russian embassy parties while the genocide raged, reported back clear evidence of genocide.

These reports fanned the antiBolshevik crusade that motivated western European volunteeers to join the German forces in the attack on Bolshevik Russia.

Ukrainians were not a majority in Ukrainian cities. Most Ukrainians were farmers or rural. The famine made it easy to target Ukrainians based on ethnicity, while insulating Russians, Jews, and others non-ethnic Ukrainian groups who formed majorities in the Ukrainian cities.

Russia committed genocide by every definition of genocidology--not only the UN definition.

So long as Russian chauvinist leaders place their KGB loyalties ahead of the truth, and employ imbecilities, disinformation, historical revisionism, outright lying, and callously trivialize the Holodomor, Russia will remain unforgiven.

No one is blaming the Russian people, many of whom know what is going on but are too afraid to speak up.

But as for the Russian chauvinists and racist Russian supremacists who aid and abet the Holodomor genocide by lying and denying it--they remain as guilt as Stalin, Kossior, Molotov and the rest of the henchmen and mass murderers.

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Ukraine plans to open a formal investigation into a Bolshevik Russian-era artificial famine that killed millions of Ukrainian farmers and their children people to establish without a doubt that the artificial Moscow-engineered famine was genocide.

Ukraine to probe whether 1932 famine was genocide

KIEV, Ukraine (AP)— Ukraine plans to open a formal investigation into a Soviet-era famine that killed millions of people to see if it can prove the famine was an act of genocide.

The 1932-33 famine was engineered by Soviet dictator Josef Stalin to force peasants to give up their private plots of land and join collective farms.
Ukraine, which has rich farmland, suffered the most of all Soviet regions and President Viktor Yushchenko has led efforts to win international recognition of the tragedy as an act of genocide against the Ukrainian nation.

In 2006, the Ukrainian parliament declared the famine a genocide. Vladislav Verstyuk, deputy head of the government's Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance, said Thursday that prosecutors and the state security service will now seek to prove that in court.

Historians are divided on whether "death by hunger" — or "Holodomor" as it is known here — was an act of genocide.

Some are convinced the famine targeted Ukrainians as an ethnic group.

Others argue authorities set out to eradicate private landowners as a social class and say the Soviet Union sought to pay for its rapid industrialization with grain exports at the expense of starving millions.

The probe is likely to anger neighboring Russia, which insists the famine was not genocide because Russians and other ethnic groups also suffered.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gcNKxnyzuy...

[Bobo]

This educational event is a good one for other universities and learning institutions to emulate....

DSU and Ukrainian Cultural Institute present program to commemorate famine in Ukraine

To commemorate the 75th anniversary of the 1932-33 Ukrainian famine, Dickinson State University and the Ukrainian Cultural Institute will present “The Ukrainian Famine-Genocide: Reflections after 75 Years” at 10 a.m. on Friday, July 18 in DSU’s Beck Auditorium, Klinefelter Hall.

Known as the Holodomor, the famine killed an estimated seven-10 million Ukrainians and is believed to have been a planned repression of farmers by the Soviet government for resistance to forced agricultural collectivization.

The program at DSU includes the showing of the film “Harvest of Despair” followed by a panel discussion. The public is invited to attend this free event....

http://www.dickinsonstate.com/digest.asp...

[Swandiver]

The Russian position against Holodomor recognition at the UN is disingenuous.

Just like a Holocaust denier, Russia denies the genocidality of the Bolshevik Russian Terror-Famine of 1932-1933 [Holodomor.]

Russia committed more than one genocide that is why there are groups trying to bring awareness to these events.

Nazi Germany also committed genocide against more than one group.

Committing several genocides does not excuse any of them.

Russia deliberately committed genocides as part of its colonialism of conquered regions.

Today Russia is continuing to commit genocide in Chechnya.

Russia continues to cover up these dark chapters of its history and is trying to rehabilitate Stalin and his henchmen, the world's worst mass murderers.

It would be ludicrous to excuse Nazi Germany for genocide against Jews by arguibg that Nazi germany also genocided Gypsies or Roma people.

Likewise it is also preposterous to excuse the Russian Terror-Famine in 1932-1933 against Ukraine because other atrocities were ongoing against others, such as Crimean Tatars.

Russia must account for all of its genocides, the biggest single one being the Russian Bolshevik Terror-Famine of 1932-1933 which was focussed on Ukrainians in ethnographic territories of Ukrainian SSR, Don and Kuban areas.

Russia must cease its campaign of outrageous and shameless, and often assinine, lies about the Russian Bolshevik Terror-Famine of 1932-1933 [Holodomor] and other genocides.

Holodomor Report from Gareth Jones
http://it.youtube.com/watch...

[Swandiver]

15-07-2008 18:12
"Inextinguishable Candle" international event dedicated to Holodomor victims to be held in Lithuania on July 15

The ceremony of handing over the torch from Latvia to Lithuania will take place in the building of the Lithuanian Seimas (Parliament). Participants will see an exposition of the photo exhibition entitled "The lessons of history - the unknown genocide of Ukrainians."

The "Inextinguishable Candle" international project was initiated by the International Coordinating Committee of the Ukrainian World Congress on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the Ukrainian famine and sets the goal of revealing the truth about the largest disaster of the 20th century in Ukraine's history.

[Swandiver]

15 July 2008 | 14:00

Ukraine to submit Holodomor for UN consideration once again

Ukraine is planning to submit the resolution on Holodomor for consideration of the next, 63rd session of the General Assembly of the United Nations. Foreign Ministry spokesman Vasyl Kyrylych told Tuesday at the briefing.

He also explained that UN never refused to recognize Holodomor. According to him, the agenda of the 62nd session included more that 170 items, but the deputies wanted to examine Ukraine’s issue in details so they voted not to include Holodomor for consideration of that session.

“According to the procedure, we can submit the Holodomor resolution for consideration of the next, 63rd session of the General Assembly, and Ukraine intends to use the opportunity,” Kyrylych said.

As a reminder, on July 11 the General Assembly of the United Nations declined the request of Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry and refused to include Holodomor issue into the agenda of the session and to recognize Holodomor as Genocide of the Ukrainian people.

ForUm
http://en.for-ua.com/news/2008/07/15/140056.h...

[Swandiver]

Great article....

Vlad and the spinmeister: The ABC’s of Holodomor denial

December, 2004

My Dear Dr. Spinmeister,

Last year we had a close call with this Holodomor business. These pesky Ukrainians have started to get some serious attention and almost got our beloved Duranty’s Pulitzer Prize revoked. We must make sure this momentum does not bring serious consequences in 2008 when they will try to push even harder on their 75th “Anniversary.”

Can you imagine what would happen if these Ukrainians actually managed to convince the world the Holodomor was Genocide? Even if it is all blamed on the USSR and the Party, we are still the Successor State. When the USSR fell apart, we took all the assets. Someone is bound to say we should take the liabilities as well. And, look at me – I’m KGB, successor to the NKVD that did the dirty work! Can you imagine Nuremburg trials for senior Party members?

We could even be held accountable in some crazy civilian court in the USA or Europe! I’ll be damned if I’m going to send my petrodollars to some Ukrainian Victims and Survivors’ Fund! We need to bring Ukraine back into the Russian Empire, not finance its independence! Without Ukraine there is no Empire anyway! What can we do to make sure this Holodomor stuff doesn’t mess up all our futures?

Yours faithfully,

Vladimyr Volodymirovich

Moscow....
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/oped/29260/

[Swandiver]

Putinist Russia's Holodomor denial strategy point No. 1:

Holodomor Dilution is prerequisite to Holodomor Denial. It starts with questioning the basic facts. When enough doubts are raised about the details, we can put it all to rest.

1) Challenge the numbers. Let them count the sculls! It’s a fool’s errand as the numbers can not be proven mathematically for any genocide. The nature of the beast is such that it destroys its own evidence. We’ve had 75 years to “correct” the records. We can debate any number! Whatever the number, we will water it down. The more times we water it down, the less credibility they will have. For us, this is a perfect debate.

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/oped/29260/

[Swandiver]

Putinist Russia's Holodomor denial strategy point No. 2:

2) Challenge the victims. We must claim this was at a time of great social upheaval. We were making history’s greatest omelet! Of course, we broke eggs! And, we suffered as much as these Ukrainians did, maybe more! Talk about Kuban – lots of victims there and it’s in Russia!! Who will know they were almost all Ukrainians? And, if the Ukrainians say that, deny, deny, deny! Insist this was Russia and they were Russians! Remember, after we killed off the Ukrainians, we repopulated entire regions of Eastern and Central Ukraine with our own loyal Russians. Point to the children of these Russian brothers still living in Ukraine. Proclaim loudly "they are the real Ukrainians!" Complain how they suffer to this day under Ukrainian rule!

[Swandiver]

Putinist Russia's Holodomor denial strategy point No. 3:

3) Challenge the “genocide.” Demand they prove it technically beyond a shadow of a doubt. Debate the details of that UN definition. The more we debate the details, the more we can wrap them up in their own underwear! Keep talking about collectivization. Keep talking about tragic errors by bureaucrats, incompetent administrators, bad commissars – anything but the “G” word.

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/oped/29260/

[Swandiver]

President Yushchenko of Ukraine handed over to Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel the lists of citizens, who died during the Great Famine of 1932-1933 in eastern villages of Ukraine, which were inhabited by German descendants along with those interned in 1945-1954.

Germans in Ukraine were also targeted for genocide.

Russia committed multiple genocides to promote Russian colonialism and to consolidate occupied territories gained by Russia's imperialism.

http://www.isria.info/RESTRICTED/D/2008/JULY_...

[Stefanya]

The courts have spoken and yet Swandiver continues to yammer on and on and on, ad infinum, ad nauseum. NOpe nothing new on this thread which sounds like Krishnamurty using a couple of alias in order to make it look like he is not just talking to himself.

[Andrew]

Instead of solving problems in Ukraine to unite the people and to impove their life, president Yushchenko searches enemies in Russia. Very stupidly.

[Swandiver]

Ukraine officially blames Soviet leaders for 1932-33 famine that killed millions

By Maria Danilova
ASSOCIATED PRESS
10:56 a.m. July 23, 2008

KIEV, Ukraine – Ukraine on Wednesday blamed Soviet leaders for a famine that killed millions of people in 1932-33 and published documents it said “unequivocally” proved its case – part of its campaign to get the tragedy recognized as genocide.

The national security service published archive documents it said proved that Soviet leader Josef Stalin and his subordinates were responsible for the famine....

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/2008...

Russia must acknowledge, apologize and atone for its multiple, parallel and serial genocides --including the Holodomor --the genocide against Ukrainians in 1932-1933 to promote Russian colonlialism in Ukraine.