Why Gurages so weak in identity?

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Namaga

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Jun 29, 2013
 
Whoever ethnic group they mingle with, instead of keeping their language, they loose it and become part of the other group' s language.
For example, Chebo Gurages who lived near Oromos in Weliso lost their language and now speak Oromiffa.
Gurages who migrated to Amharic spoken towns and cities of Ethiopia lost their language to Amharic and speak only Amharic.
Mesmes Gurages who share border with Hadiya are almost getting extinct and have become Hadiya speaking population.
I would like to know the general cause of language death, extinction as a distinct ethnic group with specific circumstances about conditions under Garages lose their language to who ever they socialize with.
Thank you!

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Jun 29, 2013
 
Namaga wrote:
Whoever ethnic group they mingle with, instead of keeping their language, they loose it and become part of the other group' s language.
For example, Chebo Gurages who lived near Oromos in Weliso lost their language and now speak Oromiffa.
Gurages who migrated to Amharic spoken towns and cities of Ethiopia lost their language to Amharic and speak only Amharic.
Mesmes Gurages who share border with Hadiya are almost getting extinct and have become Hadiya speaking population.
I would like to know the general cause of language death, extinction as a distinct ethnic group with specific circumstances about conditions under Garages lose their language to who ever they socialize with.
Thank you!
I was in small twon called Dobi in sodo wereda of gurage zone. I was stunned to see all the people speaking Amharic instead of kistane.
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Jun 29, 2013
 
Gurege is working people but not proud of their ethnic origin.
Namaga

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Jun 29, 2013
 
What's the reason why Gurages loose their language to the group they socialize with?

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Jun 29, 2013
 
Namaga wrote:
What's the reason why Gurages loose their language to the group they socialize with?
You are gurage. You should tell us lol
Namaga

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Jun 29, 2013
 
are there not sociologists and or linguists in this forum?

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Jun 29, 2013
 
Most of us are low life scumbags !
Namaga

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Jun 29, 2013
 
Geeee 17 wrote:
Most of us are low life scumbags !
I am sure you are primitive and savage Eritreans or Amiches. If you are not, assume I presumed you to be Hizbollas.
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Jun 29, 2013
 
most gurages live in addis and are therefore amhara

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Jun 29, 2013
 
Namaga wrote:
<quoted text>I am sure you are primitive and savage Eritreans or Amiches. If you are not, assume I presumed you to be Hizbollas.
You are dead wrong about me, Alex.
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Jun 29, 2013
 
Mekbebe wrote:
Gurege is working people but not proud of their ethnic origin.
That's untrue. A stereotype. There has to be another technical reason why Gurages loose their languages to Amara, Oromo, Hadiya, etc.
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Jun 29, 2013
 
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most gurages live in addis and are therefore amhara
wrong logic leads to wrong conclusion.
Namaga

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Jun 29, 2013
 
If you know the conditions under which Argobas loose their language to Amara and Ormo, that may help to understand Gurage's assimilation into Amara, Oromo and Hadiya.

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Jun 29, 2013
 
Namaga wrote:
If you know the conditions under which Argobas loose their language to Amara and Ormo, that may help to understand Gurage's assimilation into Amara, Oromo and Hadiya.
How come gurages lose their language but not siltes ?
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Jun 29, 2013
 
Geeee 17 wrote:
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How come gurages lose their language but not siltes ?
Again, to remind you, the question is "Why do Gurages loose language Amara, Oromo and Hadiya?"
Those of you who say you are educated, this your time to shine. Those of you who have no clue, don't bother trying.
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Jun 29, 2013
 
Namaga wrote:
<quoted text>wrong logic leads to wrong conclusion.
i used a logic called observation and concluded most gurages either live is addis or nazret and speak fluent amharic and call themselves amhara with gurage background, today the gurages of the south are oromo in every sense, gurage is a state of mind like amhara.
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Jun 29, 2013
 
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i used a logic called observation and concluded most gurages either live is addis or nazret and speak fluent amharic and call themselves amhara with gurage background, today the gurages of the south are oromo in every sense, gurage is a state of mind like amhara.
Observation is no logic. So, you found your house on sand.
Again, not true is 'most gurages live in Addis or nazret." Many Gurages live in Dire Daw, Debre-Zait, Shashemene, Awas and Jimma. It may be true the number of Gurages who live in Addis may be greater than those who live in the cities I just mentioned. Sat figures can help establish it as true if available.
To loose their language to Amharic, it takes a generation, two generations or more we do not know. But, it can't be true most of those who live in these cities have lost their languages and call themselves Amara without stats. Around 2000, I read the Gurage population of Addis was estimated to be 20%. This stat was based on the fact that each person identified themselves as Gurages in stat questionnaire. So, this beats you info assertion that Gurages who live in towns identify themselves as Amara. From what I understand, even loosing their language to Amharic, they still consider themselves as Gurage.
Not entirely clear what you meant by the Gurage of the south are oromos in every sense; and that to be a Gurage is a state of mind than real ethno-linguistic group.
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Jun 29, 2013
 
Coming back to the base question, why do Gurages loose their language to Amara, oromo and hadiya? Are there examples of such conditions of which can teach us the Gurage's language loss? Do you know why Argobas loose language to Oromo and Amara?
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Jun 29, 2013
 
Namaga wrote:
<quoted text>Observation is no logic. So, you found your house on sand.
Again, not true is 'most gurages live in Addis or nazret." Many Gurages live in Dire Daw, Debre-Zait, Shashemene, Awas and Jimma. It may be true the number of Gurages who live in Addis may be greater than those who live in the cities I just mentioned. Sat figures can help establish it as true if available.
To loose their language to Amharic, it takes a generation, two generations or more we do not know. But, it can't be true most of those who live in these cities have lost their languages and call themselves Amara without stats. Around 2000, I read the Gurage population of Addis was estimated to be 20%. This stat was based on the fact that each person identified themselves as Gurages in stat questionnaire. So, this beats you info assertion that Gurages who live in towns identify themselves as Amara. From what I understand, even loosing their language to Amharic, they still consider themselves as Gurage.
Not entirely clear what you meant by the Gurage of the south are oromos in every sense; and that to be a Gurage is a state of mind than real ethno-linguistic group.
you just contradicted yourself because your question was why are gurage weak in identity and yet you have provided some very good evidence for a counter argument and that the vast majority of gurage are not weak in identity but most who are christians and live in christian majority cities like addis or nazret define themselves for the most part through the amhara culture because they speak fluent amharic and often their kids do not speak guraginya, as for the gurages you mentioned in harar and dire dawa, those are muslim silte and hate gurage for the most part and as for shashamane like i said all the gurages in the south are oromo who have adopted gurage language and culture since most real gurages have migrated north especially the creation of addis which is very near to their original territory, thus leaving very little actual gurages there. i think you are overestimating the number of gurages who split from axum originally to settle in the south, they were very little.
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Jun 30, 2013
 
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you just contradicted yourself because your question was why are gurage weak in identity and yet you have provided some very good evidence for a counter argument.
The vast majority of gurage are not weak in identity. But, most who are christians and live in christian majority cities like addis or nazret define themselves through the amhara culture and Amharic. And, often their kids do not speak guraginya.

As for the gurages you mentioned in harar and dire dawa, those are muslim silte who hate gurage for the most part.

And as for shashamane, like i said, all the gurages in the south are oromo who have adopted gurage language and culture since most real gurages have migrated north especially after the creation of addis, which is very near to their original territory, thus leaving very little actual gurages there.
i think you are overestimating the number of gurages who split from axum originally to settle in the south, they were very little.
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