[MUST READ] The Ethiopian Issue

[MUST READ] The Ethiopian Issue

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Daniel Shimeles

Edmonton, Canada

#1 Feb 5, 2013
Going through all the posts on this site concerning Ethiopia is very saddening to me because most of the posts are full of racist and offensive material. From what I have seen, there are 3 positions people take on the Ethiopian political situation; Ethiopian nationalists who support ethnic federalism, Ethiopian nationalists who want a unitary government and Oromo nationalists who want to dismantle the Ethiopian state. The following is my view on each side of the conflict:

Ethiopian nationalists in support of federalism; people in this category are mostly those who support the current regime regardless of its actions. People in this category are usually Tigrayans or those who were helped in one way or another by the regime in the 80s and 90s. In short, theoretically, they want a country where each ethnic group rules itself but, in practice, it has not been possible due to the current regimes refusal to follow its own laws.
Ethiopian nationalists who want a unitary government; People in this category are almost exclusively Amhara. The main reason they want a unitary government is to maintain the land their ancestors managed to conquer. Also, they want a unitary government as a way to undermine ethnic unity so there are less secessionist sentiments in each ethnic group. In short, they want an absolutely united Ethiopia with one official language.
Ethnic nationalism (Oromo); this is probably the issue that will determine whether or not Ethiopia will exist into the next century or not. The Oromo are the most populous ethnic group and have continuously attempted to regain the independence they lost in the 19th century. After a 100 years you would think that the Oromo would have began to live peacefully within the Ethiopian state but that has not been made possible due to continous oppression and prejudice. Even on this website, the Oromos are insulted by the same people who criticize them for being "narrow-minded nationalist".
The question is, if you want the Oromos not to fight for independence, why do you continuously harass and insult them?
yihuda

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Feb 5, 2013
one nation
one people
one language
one army
one dictator.
no religion of any kind.
Daniel Shimeles

Edmonton, Canada

#3 Feb 5, 2013
That will not be completely possible.
One people; How can a nation of 80 ethnic groups be considered to have one people.
One language; What language would that be? How could one language be implemented upon 80 different ethnic groups who have their own languages.
One dictator; democracy is almost always the better option.
yihuda

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Feb 5, 2013
I HAVE no problem with speaking orominga, for united and self loving ethiopia,
ethiopia dont have any resources to acomidate 80 education system what they are doing in ethiopia is an appeasement politics , if you cant make your country speak one language then you are a failure. uncivilezed.

democracy ? there is no such a thing. there was never such a thing, there never will be such a thing. its a religion, its a business , its what people tell you to make money of you . just like the muslim,christians,pente, buda,yihuda, they all tell you they know who god is just like they been alive for like 3000 years. non of them have a dime to there name. democracy and all how stupid can you be to base the destiny or structure of how your nation and the rest of your days on this one and only life, on a theory dreamt up by a gentile thinker sitting down on a stool a thousand miles away inspired by a society who are completely different than you. Write your own god. no man alive can challange you. keep what your fathers gave you , and you shall never fell. try to act up and try to be like becham sht aint goint to come out right. one nation , one people , one order. if you can acchive it. you can't claim you are this or that. There is only common sense and a law. but man will always be a god over other men they made the whole world speak english. you know what i mean. they did not even force you. you litterlly came up wit the idea your self. lol. that is how its done my friend with class.

life is fake. every thing is fake. nothing is real. so when you die for a cause know you die for noting.
yihuda

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Feb 5, 2013
The only form of government that is natural to man. Is The Monarchy. nothing more beautiful , nothing more glories, nothing so brutally greedy.
Daniel Shimeles

Edmonton, Canada

#6 Feb 5, 2013
Democracy is possible. Look at Ghana, the US and so many other countries. Yes, I agree, there will be a level of corruption and moneymaking involved eventually but there is no perfect system.
I will quote you in saying; "keep what your fathers gave you , and you shall never fall". That is correct but I hope you realize that what you said ties in to tribal/ethnic identity.
In my opinion, a unitary government never worked in Ethiopia without serious oppression. It could never work now after 20 years of emergence of ethnic identity and pride. There are three ways that Ethiopia can go now;
1. Ethiopia can finally be democratized and oppression can end. With this happening, ethnic federalism will continue. It could happen relatively peacefully in the 2015 elections or it can happen through violence in the next 30 years.
2. The Ethiopian state may break up into different ethnic-based nationss. Please do not contradict me on this saying it can never happen because it can.This is actually has a very high chance of happening. Secessionist opposition groups in Ethiopia have more local support and political/military strength than all these opposition groups in the Diaspora.
3. The Ethiopian state may eventually break up into ethnic-based nations that are all united in some form of Ethiopian Confederacy. In this way, each ethnic group can have more power over its own affairs whilst still remaining united in an Ethiopian state.

These are the only realistic things that can happen in Ethiopia. Forgive me, but as an analyst of Ethiopian politics and history, I just cannot see pro-unitary opposition forces gaining support and power.
yihuda

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Feb 5, 2013
Ghana is not a democracy - its a hopeacrocy , a wishacrociy,wait till your resorces run outaracy.

1. there was no oppression in ethiopia- why say such thing about when all of you are 99.9 % are poor and have nothing to give any one claiming to be oppressed. when you are a new generation and have nothing to do what happend a hundred years ago. what you went through is 40 years of leadership by men who tried to sell you democracy, modernization, comunizim but non of them had no idea what the hell they were doing. now every one is crying, and no one is listening to you or helping you , why ? becasue it dont exist. what you are asking for dont exist, you cant rule me. do you know what i mean. if i am smarter than you, no matter what form of government you set up, i am the one who will run it. you will always be under a dictator. its your choice , to be ruled by hope seller, or to be rulled by glory chaser,

2. of coarse, and i do belive that, but whos falt is that. but know this, together or independent they still aint going no where, they can never be a nation. the world will eat them alive. they will eat each other alive, they have no space to breath , they have no resources to sustain them and an economy with the world, not a single nation will allow them to be industralized, or educated, or happy or even peacfull for 10 years straight. as we speak ethiopia, is engaged in distablizing eritrean,and eritrean are engaged in distablizing ethiopia and they are doing it to jubuti, kenya, knyea to ethiopia, to somalia, that how it goes, there can only be one. one nation, one people , one order. you win.

3. one people, one nation. one language, one king. there is no such a thing as his or mine. we are already mixed . half of the job is done. we just need to complete the other half.
yihuda

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Feb 5, 2013
what are fathers gave us won't tie up to tribal identity , but to a national identity. consider the 100,000 or more who died in the war with eritrea in one day, they died for what, there father gave them, ethiopia and eritrea, you and i and god knows those men were not all one tribe. they came from different back ground. I dont think those oromo kids or sidamo, or harere kids who died in the front line of eritrea died to protect what there father gave them in harer,
David Shimeles

Edmonton, Canada

#9 Feb 5, 2013
Actually, I have lived in Ghana and studied their government. There are high levels of corruption but there is a genuine fear of violence that drives its leaders to be moderate and law-abiding. It is as close to a democracy as possible for their society and I commend them for that.
yihuda

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Feb 5, 2013
if ghana has a good government - it has nothing to do with democracy, it has to do with the people of ghana, they are the one who made it, not the theory of democracy,
David Shimeles

Edmonton, Canada

#11 Feb 5, 2013
There was and is ethnic, class and gender based oppression in Ethiopia. Every nation who had interests in Ethiopia knows this but most choose to turn a blind eye.

As for the rest of the things you said, I am afraid we have hit a dead end by coming to ideological differences. We both have different views on the other issues; I can not say my one is correct and yours is wrong. We have chosen to put our hope on two different sides of the situation but time will tell which one of us chose well.
yihuda

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Feb 5, 2013
i know i have said some sik sht about somalia, but i have to admit that its the only country every single nation in its hempsphere should fear. they have something you need to build a good nation. that no one in africa has including all presious egypt or moraco or lybia . but somalia needs to dumb islam and belive in the devil if you know what i mean.
yihuda

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Feb 5, 2013
any ways peace out. and stay cool. one love. and democracy lol.
Bila

Atlanta, GA

#14 Feb 5, 2013
Daniel Shimeles wrote:
Democracy is possible. Look at Ghana, the US and so many other countries. Yes, I agree, there will be a level of corruption and moneymaking involved eventually but there is no perfect system.
I will quote you in saying; "keep what your fathers gave you , and you shall never fall". That is correct but I hope you realize that what you said ties in to tribal/ethnic identity.
In my opinion, a unitary government never worked in Ethiopia without serious oppression. It could never work now after 20 years of emergence of ethnic identity and pride. There are three ways that Ethiopia can go now;
1. Ethiopia can finally be democratized and oppression can end. With this happening, ethnic federalism will continue. It could happen relatively peacefully in the 2015 elections or it can happen through violence in the next 30 years.
2. The Ethiopian state may break up into different ethnic-based nationss. Please do not contradict me on this saying it can never happen because it can.This is actually has a very high chance of happening. Secessionist opposition groups in Ethiopia have more local support and political/military strength than all these opposition groups in the Diaspora.
3. The Ethiopian state may eventually break up into ethnic-based nations that are all united in some form of Ethiopian Confederacy. In this way, each ethnic group can have more power over its own affairs whilst still remaining united in an Ethiopian state.
These are the only realistic things that can happen in Ethiopia. Forgive me, but as an analyst of Ethiopian politics and history, I just cannot see pro-unitary opposition forces gaining support and power.
So, you appear to be native speaker,that means an agent of the US or UK, etc or a former US official. So how dare you white guy tell us what our future should be ? I tell you the US or Canada will disintegrate much earlier than Ethiopia.

Ha ha a white devil attempting to influence us. You have no idea who the yeju and guji are and exposed yourself that you are not an oromo but a white man with an agenda. So what is your mission here ?

As to our future ethnic federalism is dying in Ethiopia, and the only option left is a united Ethiopia with a central government as was always the case in Ethiopia and with the provinces ,which are no tribal homelands, given certain degree of self-administration. The monarchy will be reestablished, a constitutional one but with more power than just ceremonial as is the case in the UK, and the government will be elected by the people. That is the form of government we always had but with little improvement.
yihuda

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Feb 5, 2013
David Shimeles wrote:
There was and is ethnic, class and gender based oppression in Ethiopia. Every nation who had interests in Ethiopia knows this but most choose to turn a blind eye.
As for the rest of the things you said, I am afraid we have hit a dead end by coming to ideological differences. We both have different views on the other issues; I can not say my one is correct and yours is wrong. We have chosen to put our hope on two different sides of the situation but time will tell which one of us chose well.
there is a gender based oppression,but all 85 tribe committe this crime, but there is no ethnic based or class based oppression in ethiopia before meles and mengestu, ethiopia then and today cant keep an institution of oppression, she dont have the know how, if she did , then you would have had the know how to free your self, mind you this is an intermixed people , you can claim to be any race you want and you will be excepted, with out any question, its impossible to oppress, and on top of this its there own children doing this.

if we have hit a dead end of ideological differences - you should take that as to why -one nation,one people,one king , is the only one that can unite. ideological differnces never build a united nation.
David Shimeles

Edmonton, Canada

#16 Feb 5, 2013
Actually Bila, I am a 17 year old Ethiopian with a great interest in political science and history. If you want to know more, my mother is Oromo and my father is Amhara. I was born in Ethiopia but my parents escaped the country because of my mother's political activities. I speak Oromo, English and a little Amharic (I am still learning).
By the way, don't be racist, it is the worst type of ignorance. Furthermore, you speak of unity as though you are a promoter of unity but you are not. If you were, you would be trying to reconcile with the people you call "OLF morons" instead of further angering them to seek independence. You are the bane of a successful Ethiopia because of your blatant ignorance.
Bila

Atlanta, GA

#17 Feb 5, 2013
The arrogance of these anglo-saxons is sickening, lecturing us what we should do.
Well they should know that the days we used to speak their language,write using their alphabet, pay using their currency, watch their films and tvs and listen to their music will be over soon in Africa and the rest of the world too. A new era has begun.
David Shimeles

Edmonton, Canada

#18 Feb 5, 2013
You remind me of Hitler. Ignoring history and hellbent on everyone accepting his opinion. And I am not Anglo-Saxon. Why are you avoiding an argument with me by trying to label me as a Caucasian?
LiLaylibitigray

Silver Spring, MD

#19 Feb 6, 2013
Dummies, weyane is the best govt in ethiopian history much better than mengistu baria and coward adgi king selassie
David Shimeles

Edmonton, Canada

#20 Feb 6, 2013
The Current regime has indeed been the most effective government in Ethiopia's history but it has its shortcomings in areas such as freedom of speech and human rights.

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