Ethiopia: China to Fund Light Rail in Addis Ababa

Aug 24, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Friends of Ethiopia

The Export and Import Bank of China reached an agreement with the Ethiopian Railway Corporation to finance its Light Railway Network project in Addis Ababa, a high government official who requested anonymity told Capital.

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putting the cart before the horse. Addis needs traffic lights at all medium and heavy flow interesections first. Ones that work I might add. I was struck by how many traffic jams in the city were caused by there being no power to the lights and no cop there to direct traffic (also the cops there didn't know how to direct traffic properly, often letting one direction go for longer than 5 minutes before changing). The cities major infrastructure needs are: paved roads, sewage or at least decent public toilets, traffic light, sidewalks on at least all major arteries.

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Its about time.....we need to link the country...

"ERC prioritizes the construction of the 2,000 kilometer railway line from Addis Ababa to the Djibouti Port and the Afar and Oromo region in the next five years. The additional 3,000 kilometer track to the Tigray regional state, the city of Gonder and the south will follow."

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Yonny wrote:
Its about time.....we need to link the country...
"ERC prioritizes the construction of the 2,000 kilometer railway line from Addis Ababa to the Djibouti Port and the Afar and Oromo region in the next five years. The additional 3,000 kilometer track to the Tigray regional state, the city of Gonder and the south will follow."
Thats a different kettle of fish. Heavy rail between cities is an important and necessary thing, especially in a country where relatively few own cars. Light rail in Addis means trollies moving up and down avenues, and even the main arteries in the city have huge potholes that do major damage to vehicles. From what i could see in the poltholes, concrete is not being laid first as a sub layer for asphalt to sit on (which is what you need for heavy vehicles like buses or larger trucks). Also, the storm drainage there is so inadequate that it shortens the life of roads due to washouts. i have no confidence in the city administration to maintain the light rail in the city given its inability to build paved roads properly.

Heavy rail between towns is easier to maintain because it just sits on tines, not on roads. Its also multipurpose, whereas light rail is just for passenger transport. Honestly, the city would be better served by either increasing the number of lion buses or by subsidising those semi-private mini buses for the public to lower fares. I think that this light rail project smells. its either political corruption or foolish politicians being convinced to buy something that they don't need.

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Thats a different kettle of fish. Heavy rail between cities is an important and necessary thing, especially in a country where relatively few own cars. Light rail in Addis means trollies moving up and down avenues, and even the main arteries in the city have huge potholes that do major damage to vehicles. From what i could see in the poltholes, concrete is not being laid first as a sub layer for asphalt to sit on (which is what you need for heavy vehicles like buses or larger trucks). Also, the storm drainage there is so inadequate that it shortens the life of roads due to washouts. i have no confidence in the city administration to maintain the light rail in the city given its inability to build paved roads properly.
Heavy rail between towns is easier to maintain because it just sits on tines, not on roads. Its also multipurpose, whereas light rail is just for passenger transport. Honestly, the city would be better served by either increasing the number of lion buses or by subsidising those semi-private mini buses for the public to lower fares. I think that this light rail project smells. its either political corruption or foolish politicians being convinced to buy something that they don't need.
First of all i didnt even mention addis, i was talkin about Linking Up the country with train...it is a MUST....

Second, do u even know where the light rail project is goin to be in addis?

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i have no confidence in the city administration to maintain the light rail in the city given its inability to build paved roads properly.
Heavy rail between towns is easier to maintain because it just sits on tines, not on roads. Its also multipurpose, whereas light rail is just for passenger transport. Honestly, the city would be better served by either increasing the number of lion buses or by subsidising those semi-private mini buses for the public to lower fares. I think that this light rail project smells. its either political corruption or foolish politicians being convinced to buy something that they don't need.
I dont even know why u always talk about somethin u have no idea about LOL

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First of all i didnt even mention addis, i was talkin about Linking Up the country with train...it is a MUST....
Second, do u even know where the light rail project is goin to be in addis?
when you said it was about time, it looked like you were both applauding the light rail project, and the intercity heavy rail project, which is why i compared and contrasted. It appears that you were only celebrating the latter.

As for your second point, it doesn't matter where it goes, its not a good idea given the current fiscal situation in the country. They city doesn't produce enough tax revenue to support expensive infrastructure like that. Maybe if things go well for the next 20 years, it would be worth considering, but right now, traffic lights and properly paved roads should be the goal, and those big 3 door buses with the yellow and red should be the investment of choice for public transit, with support for the blue and white minibuses as an auxilary (They're privately owned i'm told, but you can still subsidize them). I think that the light rail project is more about the chinese telling politicians what they need than the politicians telling the chinese what is needed.

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I dont even know why u always talk about somethin u have no idea about LOL
See you cn never engage in debate, all you can do is use insults whether at me or my argument. Deconstruct what i said if you have the skill.

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when you said it was about time, it looked like you were both applauding the light rail project, and the intercity heavy rail project, which is why i compared and contrasted. It appears that you were only celebrating the latter.
As for your second point, it doesn't matter where it goes, its not a good idea given the current fiscal situation in the country. They city doesn't produce enough tax revenue to support expensive infrastructure like that. Maybe if things go well for the next 20 years, it would be worth considering, but right now, traffic lights and properly paved roads should be the goal, and those big 3 door buses with the yellow and red should be the investment of choice for public transit, with support for the blue and white minibuses as an auxilary (They're privately owned i'm told, but you can still subsidize them). I think that the light rail project is more about the chinese telling politicians what they need than the politicians telling the chinese what is needed.
What is the current fiscal situation of the country? do you have any data? Whether u like it or not its goin to be constructed. The city is crwoded with Public Transportation s like taxi, Anbesa Bus, etc and adding more is not goin to solve it as u claim....

LOL @ I think that the light rail project is more about the chinese telling politicians what they need than the politicians telling the chinese what is needed.

U are very funny guy, u sitting over there complaining every time they try to do somethin, let the ppl do their job and its got nothing to do with you. You are complaining here while they are working hard to develop the Country....we do not need whiners but supporters of our development, join us or leave us alone! let us do our thing.

And all ur reasons are not backed with a single FACT...

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See you cn never engage in debate, all you can do is use insults whether at me or my argument. Deconstruct what i said if you have the skill.
I didnt insult you here....

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I didnt insult you here....
You insulted the argument, thats why i said you insult me or the argument.

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What is the current fiscal situation of the country? do you have any data? Whether u like it or not its goin to be constructed. The city is crwoded with Public Transportation s like taxi, Anbesa Bus, etc and adding more is not goin to solve it as u claim....
LOL @ I think that the light rail project is more about the chinese telling politicians what they need than the politicians telling the chinese what is needed.
U are very funny guy, u sitting over there complaining every time they try to do somethin, let the ppl do their job and its got nothing to do with you. You are complaining here while they are working hard to develop the Country....we do not need whiners but supporters of our development, join us or leave us alone! let us do our thing.
And all ur reasons are not backed with a single FACT...
Actually I did give facts, you just refused to engage with them. I cited the relative high cost of light rail maintenance, the lack of proper road infrastructure in the city, the cheaper alternatives for transport in the city and then I mentione that heavy rail for intercity transport was a wise investment. you addressed one of those points halfheartedly, saying that no buses are not the answer without explaining why. Your half explaination was that we have enough buses already, as though you can have too many buses moving people around, and as though light rail occupies some space other than the roads of the city.
Now as for an expansion on my budget complaint, i'll present this. The GDP of ethiopia is 71 billion as of 2008, if we adjust for the purchasing power in the country. If its in terms of foreign exchange, like buying a chinese light rail system, thats 38 billion (because the birr is very weak internationally, and has plunged in the last 4 years).
Furthermore, annual government expenditures are about 5.5 billion for the whole country (which is a deficit of about 1 billion a year).
Now light rail is being pursued in my city, which by the way spends about 7 billion dollars a year (our government spends 141 billion a year at the federal level). Addis and toronto are about the same size and probably command similar attention from the federal governments of each country, so lets say Addis has a budget of around 270 million a year. But this isn't so, in fact Addis's total budget is almost 3 times that at 671 million a year.
Right now in toronto, a large project is being undertaken to build light rail all over the place, and the cost is 247 million per kilometer. Now its fair to say that labour prices drive that cost big time, so let us reduce that down to just equipment and very cheap labour costs, as would be paid to labourers in addis. I've usually seen labour costs as comprising just over 50 percent of construction costs here, but lets say they cost 3/4 and put the material costs of a kilometer at 61.8 million. If the city government spent all its money on light rail, we're looking at 10 km a year assuming no one in the city gets paid a salary, and no other functions are fulfilled by the government.
So lets assume the project is given to the country by the chinese company, what are the maintenance costs on a year by year basis? Again, we have currently 75 km of track in the city, which is just to augment our subwa and bus systems, and it costs 30 million a year to maintain. Cut it down for labour and you're still looking at 7.5 million a year in maintenance for the tracks, never mind the vehicles or the employees.
Overall, its a bad investment for a city that has few sidewalks, few paved roads, lacking storm sewers and rampant child homelessness. Getting around addis right now isn't that big a problem anyway, so the timing doesn't even make sense. your traffic jams aren't volume rlated, their lack of signal related.
Lastly, your comment about me getting on board is way off base. Im being critical because i see the place mismanaged and i'd like better for it.

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Actually I did give facts, you just refused to engage with them. I cited the relative high cost of light rail maintenance, the lack of proper road infrastructure in the city, the cheaper alternatives for transport in the city and then I mentione that heavy rail for intercity transport was a wise investment. you addressed one of those points halfheartedly, saying that no buses are not the answer without explaining why. Your half explaination was that we have enough buses already, as though you can have too many buses moving people around, and as though light rail occupies some space other than the roads of the city.
Now as for an expansion on my budget complaint, i'll present this. The GDP of ethiopia is 71 billion as of 2008, if we adjust for the purchasing power in the country. If its in terms of foreign exchange, like buying a chinese light rail system, thats 38 billion (because the birr is very weak internationally, and has plunged in the last 4 years).
Furthermore, annual government expenditures are about 5.5 billion for the whole country (which is a deficit of about 1 billion a year).
Now light rail is being pursued in my city, which by the way spends about 7 billion dollars a year (our government spends 141 billion a year at the federal level). Addis and toronto are about the same size and probably command similar attention from the federal governments of each country, so lets say Addis has a budget of around 270 million a year. But this isn't so, in fact Addis's total budget is almost 3 times that at 671 million a year.
Right now in toronto, a large project is being undertaken to build light rail all over the place, and the cost is 247 million per kilometer. Now its fair to say that labour prices drive that cost big time, so let us reduce that down to just equipment and very cheap labour costs, as would be paid to labourers in addis. I've usually seen labour costs as comprising just over 50 percent of construction costs here, but lets say they cost 3/4 and put the material costs of a kilometer at 61.8 million. If the city government spent all its money on light rail, we're looking at 10 km a year assuming no one in the city gets paid a salary, and no other functions are fulfilled by the government.
So lets assume the project is given to the country by the chinese company, what are the maintenance costs on a year by year basis? Again, we have currently 75 km of track in the city, which is just to augment our subwa and bus systems, and it costs 30 million a year to maintain. Cut it down for labour and you're still looking at 7.5 million a year in maintenance for the tracks, never mind the vehicles or the employees.
Overall, its a bad investment for a city that has few sidewalks, few paved roads, lacking storm sewers and rampant child homelessness. Getting around addis right now isn't that big a problem anyway, so the timing doesn't even make sense. your traffic jams aren't volume rlated, their lack of signal related.
Lastly, your comment about me getting on board is way off base. Im being critical because i see the place mismanaged and i'd like better for it.
The Export and Import (EXIM) Bank of China reached an agreement with the Ethiopian Railway Corporation (ERC) to finance its Light Railway Network project in Addis Ababa, a high government official who requested anonymity told Capital.
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Ethiopia = new north korea 99% owned by china/meles

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LOL ....http://www.youtube.com/wat ch?v=txMazCoqUM4
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@sabonis15:- good observation, good objective analysis. Addis doesn't need light rail system at this stage. Maintaing the existing system by itself is a task hard to deal for the city admin. ddis needs side walks, well paved roads, more traffic lights and for the resident and motorists an awareness of traffic rules. Right now the city is a mess and in no time Addis will end up like Bombay.

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The Export and Import (EXIM) Bank of China reached an agreement with the Ethiopian Railway Corporation (ERC) to finance its Light Railway Network project in Addis Ababa, a high government official who requested anonymity told Capital.
That means the city will go into debt to a chinese bank to pay for this project, and then be saddled with the maintenance costs as well as interest payments on top of paying back the principal. This is how latin american countries got into debt with the US all the time, which allowed washington to make demands on what should be cut when financial criseses hit. When they balked and elected leaders who tried to ignor the financial strings, they got overthrown, invaded or strangled (economically) into submission.

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That means the city will go into debt to a chinese bank to pay for this project, and then be saddled with the maintenance costs as well as interest payments on top of paying back the principal. This is how latin american countries got into debt with the US all the time, which allowed washington to make demands on what should be cut when financial criseses hit. When they balked and elected leaders who tried to ignor the financial strings, they got overthrown, invaded or strangled (economically) into submission.
Well my friend Ethiopia aint South America....do not worry about us we will do just fine.

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Well my friend Ethiopia aint South America....do not worry about us we will do just fine.
Ethiopia is an a much more precarious position than any south american country was ever in. Health and educational indicators are much lower, there is next to no industrialization, and population growth ensures that basic social calamities reproduce themselves faster than even a great government can handle. Ethnic tensions also play a factor that they didn't in say nicaragua or chile. It would be easy to overthrow a government by throwing some weapons and supplies into the hands of rebels in the south or east and then sitting back while they tore the place apart. Basically, like the congo is going right now. then a debt holding nation could exploit the crisis to pull out whatever resources they wanted from the country, again like congo (DRC i mean, not the other one). Any nation that goes into heavy debt with another is setting itself up for control from the outside, that's the nature of our international economic order. this of course is reinforced by the sale of vast swaths of land to china which is being expropriated from locals.

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Ethiopia is an a much more precarious position than any south american country was ever in. Health and educational indicators are much lower, there is next to no industrialization, and population growth ensures that basic social calamities reproduce themselves faster than even a great government can handle. Ethnic tensions also play a factor that they didn't in say nicaragua or chile. It would be easy to overthrow a government by throwing some weapons and supplies into the hands of rebels in the south or east and then sitting back while they tore the place apart. Basically, like the congo is going right now. then a debt holding nation could exploit the crisis to pull out whatever resources they wanted from the country, again like congo (DRC i mean, not the other one). Any nation that goes into heavy debt with another is setting itself up for control from the outside, that's the nature of our international economic order. this of course is reinforced by the sale of vast swaths of land to china which is being expropriated from locals.
"It would be easy to overthrow a government by throwing some weapons and supplies into the hands of rebels in the south or east and then sitting back while they tore the place apart. Basically, like the congo is going right now."

And u thinking nobody tried that? LOL they r workin 24/7 on the clock to do just that BUT THEY ALL FAILED MISERABLY

again u are realy underestimating Ethiopians....

Ethiopia aint Congo or South Ameria ...ETC ....U cant compare us with none....we are ETHIOPIANS.

Ethiopians remained Calm when mengestu run away...Addis was in one piece ....That should tell u somethin about the PPL

Just let the ppl work and stop Complaining.....Ur complain will remain in Topix forum only anways....

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"It would be easy to overthrow a government by throwing some weapons and supplies into the hands of rebels in the south or east and then sitting back while they tore the place apart. Basically, like the congo is going right now."
And u thinking nobody tried that? LOL they r workin 24/7 on the clock to do just that BUT THEY ALL FAILED MISERABLY
again u are realy underestimating Ethiopians....
Ethiopia aint Congo or South Ameria ...ETC ....U cant compare us with none....we are ETHIOPIANS.
Ethiopians remained Calm when mengestu run away...Addis was in one piece ....That should tell u somethin about the PPL
Just let the ppl work and stop Complaining.....Ur complain will remain in Topix forum only anways....
Eritrea funding rebels and china funding rebels are different kettles of fish. When a large rich nation funds an insurgency, you get afghanistan. It doesn't matter if things remained calm in ethiopia when Mengistu fell: Romania remained calm when ceaucescu was murdered in the street. Both were hated by the masses. The situation isn't related to what im talking about which is financial enmeshment with a large power that will alter the country if it doesn't get what it wants. There's a reason people like my wife don't want to live there any more, it and its not because your boyfriend Meles is doing a good job.

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