What does being "Black" mean to Ethio...

What does being "Black" mean to Ethiopians?

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Mimi

Newark, DE

#1 May 7, 2011
Does "Blackness" factor into the Ethiopian Identity?

When you are in Ethiopia and you describe someone as "Black" what does that mean?

When you are in America and you use the word "black" to describe someone, what does that mean?

Is it a Skin Color?

Is it a Group of People?

Does it Contribute to the Ethiopian Identity? Like, is there any part of your identity that you attribute to being black? I am sure you can attribute certain values to being Ethiopian, being a male/female, being Amhara, being Gurage, etc... but what values can you attribute to being black?

Is it only in comparison to other colors... as in... "I am black compared to a white man, but I am not "black" compared to someone that is darker than me."

Help me understand how Ethiopians use this word.
The Professor

Mississauga, Canada

#2 May 7, 2011
Black is a skin color it means nothing to me, however Black mostly means a Bantu African not a Cushitic African. Anybody can be "black" however: Black Arabs, Asians, Indians, etc. Are you Ethiopians by the way?
Mimi

Newark, DE

#3 May 7, 2011
Yes
Mimi

Newark, DE

#4 May 7, 2011
Are You?
The Professor

Mississauga, Canada

#5 May 7, 2011
No but I am from the Horn, a neighboring country that a lot of Ethiopians are not fond of, lol. So as you can see Mimi Ethiopians, Somalis, Eritreans and other Horner people and Cushitic people are not "Congoid" or "Bantuid" they are African but not "N***oid" not everyone in Africa has to be. Africa in fact is 60% Bantuid that's why most people assume that Africa has to be 100% Bantuiud/Congoid or else they're mixed or foriegners but we have the Khoisan/Pygmoid people who occupy less then 1% of Africa, and the Hamites who occupy 40% of Africa they cover North Africa, Northwest and Northeast Africa/the Horn.
The Professor

Mississauga, Canada

#6 May 7, 2011
Genetics and morphology also play a major role in determining one's race, Horners and North Africans seem to be closer to the Semitic peoples and Southern Europeans and South Asians (Indians/Pakis, etc) then their "black" or Bantu southern neighbors. The fact that we have E1b1b, T, and J1 shows that we are not related to the so-called "black" race of Africa. E1b1b is the dominant gene, then T, and then J1 ranging higher amongst Habesha Ethiopians than non-Habesha Cushitic people such as the Somalis, Oromos, Afars, Boranas, Sidama, Agaw, etc.
Mimi

Newark, DE

#7 May 8, 2011
The Professor wrote:
Genetics and morphology also play a major role in determining one's race, Horners and North Africans seem to be closer to the Semitic peoples and Southern Europeans and South Asians (Indians/Pakis, etc) then their "black" or Bantu southern neighbors. The fact that we have E1b1b, T, and J1 shows that we are not related to the so-called "black" race of Africa. E1b1b is the dominant gene, then T, and then J1 ranging higher amongst Habesha Ethiopians than non-Habesha Cushitic people such as the Somalis, Oromos, Afars, Boranas, Sidama, Agaw, etc.
I am not a big fan of the whole concept of "race". It seems pretty stupid. I don't believe that genetic similarity = race.
The Professor

Mississauga, Canada

#8 May 8, 2011
Races do exist they are what defines someones culture, features, genetics, and so on. Humans are a species in the Mammal animalia kingdom, then they are divided into races or sub-species (according to science). Different genes ranging from different people creates a race of people as opposed to the different but surrounding other races, you have Europeans, West Asians, Central Asians, South Asians, and East Asians, then Africans, and then the Australoid Oceanic people in Oceania and Polynesia/Melanesia.

You can think its stupid but what identifies the sub-species (races) of people from other sub-species (races) of people are genetics, morphology, and linguistics sometimes culture can be used but not all the time.
Mimi

Newark, DE

#9 May 8, 2011
The Professor wrote:
Races do exist they are what defines someones culture, features, genetics, and so on. Humans are a species in the Mammal animalia kingdom, then they are divided into races or sub-species (according to science). Different genes ranging from different people creates a race of people as opposed to the different but surrounding other races, you have Europeans, West Asians, Central Asians, South Asians, and East Asians, then Africans, and then the Australoid Oceanic people in Oceania and Polynesia/Melanesia.
You can think its stupid but what identifies the sub-species (races) of people from other sub-species (races) of people are genetics, morphology, and linguistics sometimes culture can be used but not all the time.
"Sub-species" I have no problems with. "Race" is an outdated term from the 14th century, people should bury the word and everything associated with it.
The Professor

Mississauga, Canada

#11 May 8, 2011
You can't bury that word and use a more sophisticated word, it has the same meaning. Almost the whole world identifies with a racial grouping whether European, Asian, Middle Eastern, African, or Polynesian, etc. And skin color has nothing to do with it. Why are you so against it? Are you a Christian by the way?
Mimi

Newark, DE

#12 May 8, 2011
The Professor wrote:
You can't bury that word and use a more sophisticated word, it has the same meaning. Almost the whole world identifies with a racial grouping whether European, Asian, Middle Eastern, African, or Polynesian, etc. And skin color has nothing to do with it. Why are you so against it? Are you a Christian by the way?
I am against it because the word "race" in it's origin's SOLELY referred to skin color and was intentionally created as an excuse to dehumanize certain groups and justify their exploitation. It wasn't until recently that "race" in it's original definition was disproven. All of a sudden, however, the term is resurrected under a new definition which is what you described above. I have a problem with the idea that a "science" would use a theory that has not evidence to back it, but one that has been proven to be a social construct and have no basis in science. It would be like me re-defining "the Four Humors" to mean the four major quadrants of the brain. Even though the lobes exist and are able to be evidence, that's just not what it was before. It would be silly and totally unscientific to resurrect an archaic idea with a new definition. One might even argue that it is so stupid, it must be done with some kind of intent to maintain the supremacist system that "race" was intended to justify.

As for my religion, I suppose that I will find out what I am when I die. I am not my own judge.
The Professor

Mississauga, Canada

#13 May 8, 2011
So you don't believe that different people look different, and people have different genes. I wonder how those archeologists were able to tell the races of people they found in ancient ruins if races didn't exist. Hmm I guess all the mummies of ancient Egypt are not Egyptian, lets call them "obscure remains of humans" or bones of the ancient Sumerians lets call them "obscure remains of ancient humans". Lets not learn history, oh and all languages should be banned since people don't speak different languages, and also all cultures and religions be banned they are "racist". LOL!
Ethiopian

Ethiopia

#14 May 9, 2011
I'm Ethiopian and i live here in Ethiopia. "blackness" of skin color here here in Ethiopia is nothing but only a person's attribute like being tall, short, fat, skinny,... and people usually say black('teyim' or 'Tikur'in Amharic)just to describe more about the person. there are black skin colored people in let's say Tigray, Amara, Oromo,... or light black the same way. but some tribes like Gambela, somali are more black population than the other tribes. So, Ethiopians got group of skin clors from dark intermediate, Dark or brown and Very dark or black. so it wonderful mixture!! i'm very dark by the way...lol

Since: Apr 11

Adelaide, Australia

#15 May 9, 2011
everything has changed over time, languages hv changed, technology has changed, culture has changed etc why has race not changed yet we get so many mixed ppl nowadays? it used to be easy back in them days to tell who is who and where they were from but no longer the case!
i love modern australia. no one has to be identified with skin color only your nationality does it.
Mimi

Newark, DE

#16 May 9, 2011
The Professor wrote:
So you don't believe that different people look different, and people have different genes. I wonder how those archeologists were able to tell the races of people they found in ancient ruins if races didn't exist. Hmm I guess all the mummies of ancient Egypt are not Egyptian, lets call them "obscure remains of humans" or bones of the ancient Sumerians lets call them "obscure remains of ancient humans". Lets not learn history, oh and all languages should be banned since people don't speak different languages, and also all cultures and religions be banned they are "racist". LOL!
What are you talking about? None of that made sense. Nobody said anything about "racists". I will make this simple. Here are a list of my beliefs on the matter... After which I would prefer to put this topic to rest, because you and I are both entitled to our views.

- Yes I do believe that different people look different.
- Yes I do believe that different genes exist.
- No, I do not believe that people's color indicates genetic difference.
- No, "race" did not have anything to do with genetics for the first 900 years of it's existence.
- Yes, "race" during that time only referred to skin color.
- Yes, the science of "race" (in it's original meaning) was dis-proven and it was deemed a social construct by scientists as well as societal leaders (UN)
- Yes, after "race" had been dis-proven, scientists tried to legitimize it by redefining the word to be determined by "genetic similarity" (which has nothing to do with color).
- No, it is not common scientific practice to revive terminology from failed theoretical frameworks under a new definition.

You asked what my opinions were and therefore, there they are. I am not seeking approval, nor rebuttal. I only gave them to honor your request. I am, in turn, requesting that you not use this thread to promote ideas that are unrelated to the topic. Although I appreciate your feedback, I am ONLY interested in how the term "black" is used amongst Ethiopians. If you would like to discuss how "race" is used in science, perhaps that is a topic for another thread. Please do not change the subject. Thank you.
Mimi

Newark, DE

#17 May 9, 2011
Ethiopian wrote:
I'm Ethiopian and i live here in Ethiopia. "blackness" of skin color here here in Ethiopia is nothing but only a person's attribute like being tall, short, fat, skinny,... and people usually say black('teyim' or 'Tikur'in Amharic)just to describe more about the person. there are black skin colored people in let's say Tigray, Amara, Oromo,... or light black the same way. but some tribes like Gambela, somali are more black population than the other tribes. So, Ethiopians got group of skin clors from dark intermediate, Dark or brown and Very dark or black. so it wonderful mixture!! i'm very dark by the way...lol
Thank you very much for your feedback!:)

Do people in Ethiopia associate "blackness" with any stereotypes about the persons character or behavior?

“WHAT IF?”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#18 May 9, 2011
Mimi wrote:
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What are you talking about? None of that made sense. Nobody said anything about "racists". I will make this simple. Here are a list of my beliefs on the matter... After which I would prefer to put this topic to rest, because you and I are both entitled to our views.
- Yes I do believe that different people look different.
- Yes I do believe that different genes exist.
- No, I do not believe that people's color indicates genetic difference.
- No, "race" did not have anything to do with genetics for the first 900 years of it's existence.
- Yes, "race" during that time only referred to skin color.
- Yes, the science of "race" (in it's original meaning) was dis-proven and it was deemed a social construct by scientists as well as societal leaders (UN)
- Yes, after "race" had been dis-proven, scientists tried to legitimize it by redefining the word to be determined by "genetic similarity" (which has nothing to do with color).
- No, it is not common scientific practice to revive terminology from failed theoretical frameworks under a new definition.
You asked what my opinions were and therefore, there they are. I am not seeking approval, nor rebuttal. I only gave them to honor your request. I am, in turn, requesting that you not use this thread to promote ideas that are unrelated to the topic. Although I appreciate your feedback, I am ONLY interested in how the term "black" is used amongst Ethiopians. If you would like to discuss how "race" is used in science, perhaps that is a topic for another thread. Please do not change the subject. Thank you.
Very well said
Mimi

Newark, DE

#19 May 10, 2011
Does "Blackness" factor into the Ethiopian Identity?

When you are in Ethiopia and you describe someone as "Black" what does that mean?

When you are in America and you use the word "black" to describe someone, what does that mean?

Is it a Skin Color?

Is it a Group of People?

Does it Contribute to the Ethiopian Identity? Like, is there any part of your identity that you attribute to being black? I am sure you can attribute certain values to being Ethiopian, being a male/female, being Amhara, being Gurage, etc... but what values can you attribute to being black?

Is it only in comparison to other colors... as in... "I am black compared to a white man, but I am not "black" compared to someone that is darker than me."

Help me understand how Ethiopians use this word
FASIL

Lyss, Switzerland

#20 May 10, 2011
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We Ethiopias we are NOT black,We are orange or yellow something like that.i am not joking.!!
Alex Ayo

London, UK

#21 May 10, 2011
WTF this is nonsenses this just reinforces, peoples thinking of black poor working class as stupid.
Google Ethiopia on the internet research there history then you'll find out no need for posting such stupidity.are Chinese yellow are native French white are black Americans even black because some of yall sound confused..word of advise if your lost go back to Africa west Africa before you get any wild ideas......

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