Do guys think Egypt is a real danger to Ethiopia in future?

[Nahom2009]

Do guys think Egypt is a real danger to Ethiopia in future?
if yes what kind of help do they get from arab countries and do Egyptican make their own Weapons like Nucler

[sabonis15]

Nahom2009 wrote:

Do guys think Egypt is a real danger to Ethiopia in future?
if yes what kind of help do they get from arab countries and do Egyptican make their own Weapons like Nucler

Egypt has the second strongest armed forces in the region after Israel. They were quite powerful before 1979, when they made peace with Israel. That peace agreement allowed shipments of military aid to start flooding in from the US, and they've basically never stopped. I'm not sure the exact numbers but its 1-2 billion dollars a year. I think in a war with any neighbour other than Israel, Egypt would come out victorious because of the advanced weaponry they have compared to most other nation in the region (saudi arabia being an exception, as they have the funds to buy what egypt is given). In terms of nuclear weapons, they don't have them. It's possible they could develop them, but right now they are signatories to the NPT and don't have any intention of doing so.

[shabiancheflkew]

sabonis15 wrote:

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Egypt has the second strongest armed forces in the region after Israel. They were quite powerful before 1979, when they made peace with Israel. That peace agreement allowed shipments of military aid to start flooding in from the US, and they've basically never stopped. I'm not sure the exact numbers but its 1-2 billion dollars a year. I think in a war with any neighbour other than Israel, Egypt would come out victorious because of the advanced weaponry they have compared to most other nation in the region (saudi arabia being an exception, as they have the funds to buy what egypt is given). In terms of nuclear weapons, they don't have them. It's possible they could develop them, but right now they are signatories to the NPT and don't have any intention of doing so.

Even if they have { I am sure they have and tried several times] they don't have the balls to dare to fight Ethiopia. Ethiopians will give them unforgettable lessons. They wer around Ethio-Somali war, they were around shabia and jebia from the beginning and they were with Sudan for sometimes to provoke war. They are not new for Ethiopians. Try to read history if you are that much interested which I doubt.

[sabonis15]

shabiancheflkew wrote:

<quoted text>Even if they have { I am sure they have and tried several times] they don't have the balls to dare to fight Ethiopia. Ethiopians will give them unforgettable lessons. They wer around Ethio-Somali war, they were around shabia and jebia from the beginning and they were with Sudan for sometimes to provoke war. They are not new for Ethiopians. Try to read history if you are that much interested which I doubt.

It depends on what type of war is fought. I don't think either country could occupy eachother as the casualties of a sustained ground invasion would be catastrophic. The thing that egypt can do that Ethipia can't, because of its superior air power, is bomb from long range repeatedly, so Egypt could inflict devestating blows on Ethiopia without have to really leave egypt (this assumes that Sudan would allow egypt to fly over, though Egypt could fly along the red sea). Also, because of their superior air power, egypt could essentially destroy the ethiopian air force quickly, meaning their air strikes would be retaliation free. Air power is the lynchpin in Modern warfare. If both nations involved forget about protecting civilians, you could see massive losses indeed. One thing that kept casualties in afghanistan and iraq much lower than they were was the need for US and allied forces to minimize civilian casualties. If the US army was full of barbarians, they could have killed several million people without being stopped.

[getu]

sabonis15 wrote:

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It depends on what type of war is fought. I don't think either country could occupy eachother as the casualties of a sustained ground invasion would be catastrophic. The thing that egypt can do that Ethipia can't, because of its superior air power, is bomb from long range repeatedly, so Egypt could inflict devestating blows on Ethiopia without have to really leave egypt (this assumes that Sudan would allow egypt to fly over, though Egypt could fly along the red sea). Also, because of their superior air power, egypt could essentially destroy the ethiopian air force quickly, meaning their air strikes would be retaliation free. Air power is the lynchpin in Modern warfare. If both nations involved forget about protecting civilians, you could see massive losses indeed. One thing that kept casualties in afghanistan and iraq much lower than they were was the need for US and allied forces to minimize civilian casualties. If the US army was full of barbarians, they could have killed several million people without being stopped.

You are so right. Not only Ethiopia is surrounded with unfriendly countries, thanks to Meles and his ethnic based government, Egypt could have a bases in either of three countries, i.e. Sudan, Eritrea and Somalia and can have a bombing run with impunity. Do not also forget two of them being a member of the Arab League and Eritrea having an observer status there, which will translate to a financial resources, which Ethiopia can not match it. As much I hate to believe, Ethiopia will not have any chance nor that the war plane as much as Egypt F-16 Vs, Mig 27 and Sukhoi Su-27 with inexperienced Tigrian pilots, since most of the veteran pilots were either purged, poisoned or left the country. If Egypt is tempted to invade on teh ground from the west, I do not think they will ever can have any chance to succeed, but then why should they?

[shabiancheflkew]

sabonis15 wrote:

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It depends on what type of war is fought. I don't think either country could occupy eachother as the casualties of a sustained ground invasion would be catastrophic. The thing that egypt can do that Ethipia can't, because of its superior air power, is bomb from long range repeatedly, so Egypt could inflict devestating blows on Ethiopia without have to really leave egypt (this assumes that Sudan would allow egypt to fly over, though Egypt could fly along the red sea). Also, because of their superior air power, egypt could essentially destroy the ethiopian air force quickly, meaning their air strikes would be retaliation free. Air power is the lynchpin in Modern warfare. If both nations involved forget about protecting civilians, you could see massive losses indeed. One thing that kept casualties in afghanistan and iraq much lower than they were was the need for US and allied forces to minimize civilian casualties. If the US army was full of barbarians, they could have killed several million people without being stopped.

I assure you they cant do a bit to the contrary the Ethiopians will inflict heavy damages. May be South Africa is superior in Air force in Africa but the Ethiopians are tigers.I am telling you as an eye witness to many military conflicts.

[yaya]

sabonis15 wrote:

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Egypt has the second strongest armed forces in the region after Israel. They were quite powerful before 1979, when they made peace with Israel. That peace agreement allowed shipments of military aid to start flooding in from the US, and they've basically never stopped. I'm not sure the exact numbers but its 1-2 billion dollars a year. I think in a war with any neighbour other than Israel, Egypt would come out victorious because of the advanced weaponry they have compared to most other nation in the region (saudi arabia being an exception, as they have the funds to buy what egypt is given). In terms of nuclear weapons, they don't have them. It's possible they could develop them, but right now they are signatories to the NPT and don't have any intention of doing so.

I hate to agree with you but i couldnt find one thing you said wrong there.CO-SIGN.

[yaya]

shabiancheflkew wrote:

<quoted text>Even if they have { I am sure they have and tried several times] they don't have the balls to dare to fight Ethiopia. Ethiopians will give them unforgettable lessons. They wer around Ethio-Somali war, they were around shabia and jebia from the beginning and they were with Sudan for sometimes to provoke war. They are not new for Ethiopians. Try to read history if you are that much interested which I doubt.

you raw eating meat ethiopian idiot,do you understand the meaning of technology?that means they can bomb ethiopia day and night unchallenged and give few rusty ak47 to onlf and clear the road for them from the skies to take over addis?God sometimes i just dont know why god have put us next to these useless worthless ethiopian monkeys,and knowing the ethiopian army mentality it would take a month or two of heavy bombardment from the egyptions till we see a white flag with "enough bombs" written on it.

[tshad]

sabonis15 wrote:

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Egypt has the second strongest armed forces in the region after Israel. They were quite powerful before 1979, when they made peace with Israel. That peace agreement allowed shipments of military aid to start flooding in from the US, and they've basically never stopped. I'm not sure the exact numbers but its 1-2 billion dollars a year. I think in a war with any neighbour other than Israel, Egypt would come out victorious because of the advanced weaponry they have compared to most other nation in the region (saudi arabia being an exception, as they have the funds to buy what egypt is given). In terms of nuclear weapons, they don't have them. It's possible they could develop them, but right now they are signatories to the NPT and don't have any intention of doing so.

ok but Sab Egypt is not in top 5 of The Miltary Balance 2009 cause according to their recent annual it's Eritrea who posses the second strongest army in the world .they said that first is China follow by Eritrea and that Israel, United Arab Emirates and Jordan hold third to fifth positions respectively . you can read more there
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php...
but personality i don't think that because a country have more military stuff than a other that he gonna win , just look at the US and Vietman or the Us and Irak and Afghanistan ,you can't really said that they are winning right now

[heavy-alarm]

i dont like ethiopia especially the people,myth.etc however the country is beautiful nature but i would see this war for personal
reasons that the egyptian dont like suffering they like life but when they lost hope they no interested in something then they turn to wild animals...really i remeber what they did to israeli ..i want see them in the battle soon, i wonder why those stuiped ethiopians acting fool they don't appreciate gift of water they like the monkey lives while the others like egypt could die for losing 1 cube of water...
see egyptians opinions about ethiopians

notes about ethiopia:

http://st-takla.org/Ethiopia/05-North-Ethiopi...

facts vs fiction :

http://st-takla.org/Ethiopia/05-North-Ethiopi...

crime in monastery:

http://st-takla.org/Ethiopia/05-North-Ethiopi...

[sabonis15]

getu wrote:

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You are so right. Not only Ethiopia is surrounded with unfriendly countries, thanks to Meles and his ethnic based government, Egypt could have a bases in either of three countries, i.e. Sudan, Eritrea and Somalia and can have a bombing run with impunity. Do not also forget two of them being a member of the Arab League and Eritrea having an observer status there, which will translate to a financial resources, which Ethiopia can not match it. As much I hate to believe, Ethiopia will not have any chance nor that the war plane as much as Egypt F-16 Vs, Mig 27 and Sukhoi Su-27 with inexperienced Tigrian pilots, since most of the veteran pilots were either purged, poisoned or left the country. If Egypt is tempted to invade on teh ground from the west, I do not think they will ever can have any chance to succeed, but then why should they?

Any fight that would happen would be over nile resources, which is why I think the Blue Nile has not been dammed

[sabonis15]

tshad wrote:

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ok but Sab Egypt is not in top 5 of The Miltary Balance 2009 cause according to their recent annual it's Eritrea who posses the second strongest army in the world .they said that first is China follow by Eritrea and that Israel, United Arab Emirates and Jordan hold third to fifth positions respectively . you can read more there
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php...
but personality i don't think that because a country have more military stuff than a other that he gonna win , just look at the US and Vietman or the Us and Irak and Afghanistan ,you can't really said that they are winning right now

Eritrea? No way. Strongest militaries in the world are the US (duh), China, and Russia. Then, in no particular order, France, the UK, Israel, India, Egypt, Pakistan and South Korea. Eritrea has a high rate of army expenditure compared to it's population but it has no ability to project force outside of it's borders, and a limited ability to arm militia outside of its borders.

[sabonis15]

shabiancheflkew wrote:

<quoted text>I assure you they cant do a bit to the contrary the Ethiopians will inflict heavy damages. May be South Africa is superior in Air force in Africa but the Ethiopians are tigers.I am telling you as an eye witness to many military conflicts.

Not to be too rude about it, but Ethiopia wasn't able to use force to keep eritrea in the fold, and ended up letting it go out of necessity.

[sabonis15]

yaya wrote:

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I hate to agree with you but i couldnt find one thing you said wrong there.CO-SIGN.

Facts are facts. Its not like I like or care about Egypt, I just look at its assets and see superior technology and logistics.

[sabonis15]

tshad wrote:

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ok but Sab Egypt is not in top 5 of The Miltary Balance 2009 cause according to their recent annual it's Eritrea who posses the second strongest army in the world .they said that first is China follow by Eritrea and that Israel, United Arab Emirates and Jordan hold third to fifth positions respectively . you can read more there
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php...
but personality i don't think that because a country have more military stuff than a other that he gonna win , just look at the US and Vietman or the Us and Irak and Afghanistan ,you can't really said that they are winning right now

That article is saying eritrea is the second most militarized, meaning that it has the second highest proportion of people in the military. It doesn't say that eritrea is the second most powerful military

[tshad]

sabonis15 wrote:

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That article is saying eritrea is the second most militarized, meaning that it has the second highest proportion of people in the military. It doesn't say that eritrea is the second most powerful military

you are right , my bad but i still think that because you have the most powerful military mean that you gonna necesseraly win the war ,it take more than that to win a war .just take for example the Vietnam war

[sabonis15]

tshad wrote:

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you are right , my bad but i still think that because you have the most powerful military mean that you gonna necesseraly win the war ,it take more than that to win a war .just take for example the Vietnam war

Think about what happened in the vietnam war though. The US absolutely hammered every popultion centre in the country, killing about 3 million people. How many did the US lose? Just under 60 thousand. If the war is measured as a set of battles, vietnam lost huge. Cambodia lost even worse because the bombing brought to power a bunch of lunatics called the Khmer Rouge. It's true that the US didn't get what it wanted, which was full compliance from the Vietnemese, but if they had wanted to, the US could have just parked a few aircraft carriers in the south china sea and killed every single person in the country. The same is true with Iraq. If the US actually wanted to kill everyone in the country, they could do so with coventional arms. Its because they want to take over the country that they suffer losses.

[getu]

heavy-alarm wrote:

i dont like ethiopia especially the people,myth.etc however the country is beautiful nature but i would see this war for personal
reasons that the egyptian dont like suffering they like life but when they lost hope they no interested in something then they turn to wild animals...really i remeber what they did to israeli ..i want see them in the battle soon, i wonder why those stuiped ethiopians acting fool they don't appreciate gift of water they like the monkey lives while the others like egypt could die for losing 1 cube of water...
see egyptians opinions about ethiopians
notes about ethiopia:
http://st-takla.org/Ethiopia/05-North-Ethiopi...
facts vs fiction :
http://st-takla.org/Ethiopia/05-North-Ethiopi...
crime in monastery:
http://st-takla.org/Ethiopia/05-North-Ethiopi...

I cannot recall reading in any history book written in regard of the modern day Arab Egypt ever won a war against any one. All the battle that Egypt ever faced or started was defeated with a humiliating consequence.

That said, I do not care or give a damn if an Arab countries or your country Egypt like us or not, for their nothing that is in commonality either historically or any other reason. Your forefathers once attempted to take over Ethiopia by the way of Red Sea, with the help of European and the American Confederate commissioned office. Obviously, they were defeated to never try again. As the say goes, the rest is history. Just in case you do not know about your own history of the time, go to the following link.

www.geocities.com/~dagmawi/.../Ethiopia-Egypt...

[tshad]

sabonis15 wrote:

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Think about what happened in the vietnam war though. The US absolutely hammered every popultion centre in the country, killing about 3 million people. How many did the US lose? Just under 60 thousand. If the war is measured as a set of battles, vietnam lost huge. Cambodia lost even worse because the bombing brought to power a bunch of lunatics called the Khmer Rouge. It's true that the US didn't get what it wanted, which was full compliance from the Vietnemese, but if they had wanted to, the US could have just parked a few aircraft carriers in the south china sea and killed every single person in the country. The same is true with Iraq. If the US actually wanted to kill everyone in the country, they could do so with coventional arms. Its because they want to take over the country that they suffer losses.

ok sab but when you are saying that they lost 3 million of people ,are you also counting the other country that helped Vietman ? cause you know that China , Union Soviet and North Korea also help them since they were both communist and the US did get help from South Korea,Thailand,Laos
New Zeland and Phillipines

[tshad]

getu wrote:

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I cannot recall reading in any history book written in regard of the modern day Arab Egypt ever won a war against any one. All the battle that Egypt ever faced or started was defeated with a humiliating consequence.
That said, I do not care or give a damn if an Arab countries or your country Egypt like us or not, for their nothing that is in commonality either historically or any other reason. Your forefathers once attempted to take over Ethiopia by the way of Red Sea, with the help of European and the American Confederate commissioned office. Obviously, they were defeated to never try again. As the say goes, the rest is history. Just in case you do not know about your own history of the time, go to the following link.
www.geocities.com/~dagmawi/.../Ethiopia-Egypt...

hey Getu your link doesn't work , could you post another one ?
thanks