Who the heck said Oromo and Amhara ar...

Who the heck said Oromo and Amhara are related?

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Sirna Gadaa

Maple Grove, MN

#1 Feb 6, 2010
Sirna Gadaa

Maple Grove, MN

#2 Feb 6, 2010
Oh yeah forgot about amhara.....who cares for leprosy people anyway.
XLLag

Columbus, OH

#3 Feb 6, 2010
Amharas and Oromos have been mixing for centuries. They are essentially one people. Addis Ababa (FinFine) is an example of the Amhara-Oromo relationship. Of course most of it was very violent historically. The Amhara minority elite not only mixed with Oromos, but subjugated them to slavery and and converted many of them to the Orthodox religion and imposed the language of Amharic. This is why many Oromo traditional lands such as Shewa and Wollo speak Amharic and why Amhara people far exceed the number of the Agew-Tigrayans. Many Amharas are Oromos victims of Amharization. Many Ethiopian "monarchs" such as Selassie, Taytu, and Menelik II had Oromo ancestry. Ethiopia in essence is over 60% Oromo so it is just fair to say that Ethiopia should be renamed Oromia.
Sirna Gadaa

Maple Grove, MN

#4 Feb 6, 2010
XLLag wrote:
Amharas and Oromos have been mixing for centuries. They are essentially one people. Addis Ababa (FinFine) is an example of the Amhara-Oromo relationship. Of course most of it was very violent historically. The Amhara minority elite not only mixed with Oromos, but subjugated them to slavery and and converted many of them to the Orthodox religion and imposed the language of Amharic. This is why many Oromo traditional lands such as Shewa and Wollo speak Amharic and why Amhara people far exceed the number of the Agew-Tigrayans. Many Amharas are Oromos victims of Amharization. Many Ethiopian "monarchs" such as Selassie, Taytu, and Menelik II had Oromo ancestry. Ethiopia in essence is over 60% Oromo so it is just fair to say that Ethiopia should be renamed Oromia.
Not only renamed but seceded out of ethiopia!
True, SOME oromo and amhara have been mixing for a time now but that doesnt mean we the whole amhara and oromo ethnicities are related and sure doesnt mean "we are one people".
Only Shoa and wollo were assimilated in amhara, NOBODY ESLE! Just b/c these two regions got mixed with amhara it doesnt mean the WHOLE OROMO NATION GOT ASSIMILATED!!!
Bring an gonder amhara and borona oromo together and compare yourself. Or even ask an haraghe eastern oromo that his brother is amhara, he will surely cut your head off!
Us oromos are not fair game for you Eritreans to prove whether amhara are axumite or not. We could care less. We are cushite and have our own traditional institutions that we connect to instead.
But nice copying and paste round you put up there.
XLLag

Columbus, OH

#5 Feb 6, 2010
Sirna Gadaa wrote:
<quoted text>Not only renamed but seceded out of ethiopia!
True, SOME oromo and amhara have been mixing for a time now but that doesnt mean we the whole amhara and oromo ethnicities are related and sure doesnt mean "we are one people".
Only Shoa and wollo were assimilated in amhara, NOBODY ESLE! Just b/c these two regions got mixed with amhara it doesnt mean the WHOLE OROMO NATION GOT ASSIMILATED!!!
Bring an gonder amhara and borona oromo together and compare yourself. Or even ask an haraghe eastern oromo that his brother is amhara, he will surely cut your head off!
Us oromos are not fair game for you Eritreans to prove whether amhara are axumite or not. We could care less. We are cushite and have our own traditional institutions that we connect to instead.
But nice copying and paste round you put up there.
All of what you're saying is true. Oromia should be a state, but that happening is very slim since all the fertile and productive lands are in Oromia. Tigray and Amhara lands are bare with no resources. As for Eritreans, we don't consider Tigrayans and Amharas as Axumites but Agews who adopted the culture of Axum. They're not wanted here either. I believe your best chances are to get Ethiopia under majority Oromo control. The minority agew elites of Tigray and Amhara cannot continue their corruptible behavior in the horn of africa. It's time for Oromos to rise up and revolt. Believe me, many Eritreans would assist you. The Abyssinians want to destroy Eritrea and Oromos and other ethnic groups from the inside.
Sirna Gadaa

Maple Grove, MN

#6 Feb 6, 2010
XLLag wrote:
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All of what you're saying is true. Oromia should be a state, but that happening is very slim since all the fertile and productive lands are in Oromia. Tigray and Amhara lands are bare with no resources. As for Eritreans, we don't consider Tigrayans and Amharas as Axumites but Agews who adopted the culture of Axum. They're not wanted here either. I believe your best chances are to get Ethiopia under majority Oromo control. The minority agew elites of Tigray and Amhara cannot continue their corruptible behavior in the horn of africa. It's time for Oromos to rise up and revolt. Believe me, many Eritreans would assist you. The Abyssinians want to destroy Eritrea and Oromos and other ethnic groups from the inside.
Well thanks if Eritreans support us oromos and in return i support Eritrea in developing and evovling as a better country.

We dont care what 99 year agreements this woyanne regime deals with these contractors selling are beautiful fertile land to foreigners.b/c in the end its only ending up to build tigray not oromia. BUt us oromo know when push come to shove us oromo will push back!

As for a revolt, all it takes for one clever militaristic insane/sane oromo man to do something and he instantly would get a backing in various oromo regions.Thats where are assimilated groups among amhara(shoa & wollo) and tigre(rayaa azebo) would surely be a thorn on their side. The only thing we are waiting for however is a event to set it off. Then they weep like before.
Donald R Levinsky

Dumfries, VA

#7 Feb 6, 2010
There were no Oromos outside of Borena before the 16th century. All of Wollo and all of Shewa was the territory of the Amhara. Infact Wollo, Amhara Saynt is the mother land of all of Amhara.
Oromos are migrants into these areas. They came to to Shewa and Wollo in the 16th century, but the Amhara gave them food and shelter when the migrated. Read history books, you dufus.
Levine

Since: Jan 10

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#8 Feb 6, 2010
Sirna Gadaa wrote:
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Well thanks if Eritreans support us oromos and in return i support Eritrea in developing and evovling as a better country.
We dont care what 99 year agreements this woyanne regime deals with these contractors selling are beautiful fertile land to foreigners.b/c in the end its only ending up to build tigray not oromia. BUt us oromo know when push come to shove us oromo will push back!
As for a revolt, all it takes for one clever militaristic insane/sane oromo man to do something and he instantly would get a backing in various oromo regions.Thats where are assimilated groups among amhara(shoa & wollo) and tigre(rayaa azebo) would surely be a thorn on their side. The only thing we are waiting for however is a event to set it off. Then they weep like before.
If Oromia has a viable chance of being its own nation, I believe the the Shoans and Raya Azebo would join. After all, all the riches of Ethiopia come from Oromo land like you said. Lets say Oromos were able to gain control of Ethiopia, would you disintegrate the fake American made country or establish an Oromia state? I know the obvious, but I think the Oromos are the people who have a real chance of spreading democracy and liberating other oppressed minorities currently under Abyssinian rule. I say Oromos because being as former oppressed peoples I'm sure you would have backing from other minorities and you have the human capital to defend against the Abysinnians. I believe Ogaden should also be liberated and reunited with Somalia, what the TPLF is doing in the Ogaden and in other parts of Ethiopia is genocide and needs to be stopped. Eritreans would be more than happy to get rid of the tyrannical terrorist Woyane. They are the biggest headache in the Horn.
Sirna Gadaa

Maple Grove, MN

#9 Feb 6, 2010
Donald R Levinsky wrote:
There were no Oromos outside of Borena before the 16th century. All of Wollo and all of Shewa was the territory of the Amhara. Infact Wollo, Amhara Saynt is the mother land of all of Amhara.
Oromos are migrants into these areas. They came to to Shewa and Wollo in the 16th century, but the Amhara gave them food and shelter when the migrated. Read history books, you dufus.
Levine
Sorry i dont read abba baris(bahrey) books since thats the only original source where this information comes from. Never in my entire life have i seen such one single document, from one single source, be turned into a handbook to bad mouth and dictate ones ethnic origin onto another group.
but I like the part where you say "but the amhara gave them food and shelter when they migrated."
Yeah by conquering our lands, making oromo blood "flow like a River", killing our women and cutting their breasts out,etc....
Shall i continue?
again

Overland Park, KS

#10 Feb 6, 2010
some pictures was good i liked!
Levinsky

Dumfries, VA

#11 Feb 6, 2010
Abba Bahrey is not the only source, dufus. Read the book "the portuguese mission to abyssinia" written in 1514. Here the authors actually recorded the migration of the Oromo into wollo in REAL TIME as it was HAPPENING. They were actual eye witnesses to the events, as people who were distinctly different from the wollo natives come up into the area, set up tent like structures with animal hide and wood...and were given food by the surrounding population.
Sirna Gadaa wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry i dont read abba baris(bahrey) books since thats the only original source where this information comes from. Never in my entire life have i seen such one single document, from one single source, be turned into a handbook to bad mouth and dictate ones ethnic origin onto another group.
but I like the part where you say "but the amhara gave them food and shelter when they migrated."
Yeah by conquering our lands, making oromo blood "flow like a River", killing our women and cutting their breasts out,etc....
Shall i continue?
Donald R Levinsky

Dumfries, VA

#12 Feb 6, 2010
dufus/doo·fus (dfs)
n. pl. doo·fus·es Slang
An incompetent, foolish, or stupid person.
Sirna Gadaa

Maple Grove, MN

#13 Feb 6, 2010
HadeLibi wrote:
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If Oromia has a viable chance of being its own nation, I believe the the Shoans and Raya Azebo would join. After all, all the riches of Ethiopia come from Oromo land like you said. Lets say Oromos were able to gain control of Ethiopia, would you disintegrate the fake American made country or establish an Oromia state? I know the obvious, but I think the Oromos are the people who have a real chance of spreading democracy and liberating other oppressed minorities currently under Abyssinian rule. I say Oromos because being as former oppressed peoples I'm sure you would have backing from other minorities and you have the human capital to defend against the Abysinnians. I believe Ogaden should also be liberated and reunited with Somalia, what the TPLF is doing in the Ogaden and in other parts of Ethiopia is genocide and needs to be stopped. Eritreans would be more than happy to get rid of the tyrannical terrorist Woyane. They are the biggest headache in the Horn.
i know for sure shoa oromos would join, rayaa azebo more and more of them are accepting they are originally Oromos! The woyanne created map is not helping however.

Oromos currently are minoritarily split in decision whether secession or just oromo leadership within ethiopia is the key.If oromos were to have the upper hand though, i dont think there would be much argument about to secede or not to secede b/c overwhelmingly secession would be the preferred option.
again

Overland Park, KS

#14 Feb 6, 2010
Levinsky wrote:
Abba Bahrey is not the only source, dufus. Read the book "the portuguese mission to abyssinia" written in 1514. Here the authors actually recorded the migration of the Oromo into wollo in REAL TIME as it was HAPPENING. They were actual eye witnesses to the events, as people who were distinctly different from the wollo natives come up into the area, set up tent like structures with animal hide and wood...and were given food by the surrounding population.
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LISTEN MY AA/ AFRICAN [email protected], IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS TO CARE ABOUT ETHIOPIA!
NOW STOP THE BULL@@@SHIT BEFORE I ASK TOPIX ADMIN FOR BANNING YOU
Levinsky

Dumfries, VA

#15 Feb 6, 2010
Sirna Gadaa wrote:
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i know for sure shoa oromos would join, rayaa azebo more and more of them are accepting they are originally Oromos! The woyanne created map is not helping however.
Oromos currently are minoritarily split in decision whether secession or just oromo leadership within ethiopia is the key.If oromos were to have the upper hand though, i dont think there would be much argument about to secede or not to secede b/c overwhelmingly secession would be the preferred option.
and we lose what?
Donald R Levinsky

Dumfries, VA

#16 Feb 6, 2010
again wrote:
<quoted text>
LISTEN MY AA/ AFRICAN [email protected], IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS TO CARE ABOUT ETHIOPIA!
NOW STOP THE BULL@@@SHIT BEFORE I ASK TOPIX ADMIN FOR BANNING YOU
Well those of us who know the history of Ethiopia have an obligation to state it here. Whether I am African American or not does not change the fact that I have the obligation to share my thoughts and ideas. I dislike it when people invent, create, state false history. Your xenophobia will not deter me from stating what I know.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#17 Feb 6, 2010
Sirna Gadaa wrote:
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i know for sure shoa oromos would join, rayaa azebo more and more of them are accepting they are originally Oromos! The woyanne created map is not helping however.
Oromos currently are minoritarily split in decision whether secession or just oromo leadership within ethiopia is the key.If oromos were to have the upper hand though, i dont think there would be much argument about to secede or not to secede b/c overwhelmingly secession would be the preferred option.
I agree and woyane is changing the boundary lines to make Tigray bigger than it actually is (good luck trying to take raya). But as long as you have Article 39 in the Ethiopian, Oromia will have a chance at liberation. I guarantee you the Amharas and Agames will want to be a part of Oromia, Abyssinian territory cannot survive on its own.

Article 39 Rights of Nations, Nationalities, and Peoples
(1) Every Nation, Nationality and People in Ethiopia has an unconditional right to self-determination, including the right to secession.
(2) Every Nation, Nationality and People in Ethiopia has the right to speak, to write and to develop its own language; to express, to develop and to promote its culture; and to preserve its history.
(3) Every Nation, Nationality and People in Ethiopia has the right to a full measure of self-government which includes the right to establish institutions of government in the territory that it inhabits and to equitable representation in state and Federal governments.
(4) The right to self-determination, including secession, of every Nation, Nationality and People shall come into effect:
(a) When a demand for secession has been approved by a two-thirds majority of the members of the Legislative Council of the Nation, Nationality or People concerned;
(b) When the Federal Government has organized a referendum which must take place within three years from the time it received the concerned council's decision for secession;
(c) When the demand for secession is supported by majority vote in the referendum;
(d) When the Federal Government will have transferred its powers to the council of the Nation, Nationality or People who has voted to secede; and
(e) When the division of assets is effected in a manner prescribed by law.
(5) A "Nation, Nationality or People" for the purpose of this Constitution, is a group of people who have or share large measure of a common culture or similar customs, mutual intelligibility of language, belief in a common or related identities, a common psychological make-up, and who inhabit an identifiable, predominantly contiguous territory.
Sirna Gadaa

Maple Grove, MN

#18 Feb 6, 2010
Levinsky wrote:
Abba Bahrey is not the only source, dufus. Read the book "the portuguese mission to abyssinia" written in 1514. Here the authors actually recorded the migration of the Oromo into wollo in REAL TIME as it was HAPPENING. They were actual eye witnesses to the events, as people who were distinctly different from the wollo natives come up into the area, set up tent like structures with animal hide and wood...and were given food by the surrounding population.
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Show a link to prove it.

but this doesn't prove a thing. Somalis and afars were the majority of Gragn's ranks(some oromo however).Currently there are lots of Afars in wollo.

Oromos never been true nomads! The most purest nomads in the HOA are afars and somalis(probalaly some other Eritrean tribes as well). The closest oromo to a true nomad are Karayu oromos in the Awash, whom i shown pics of. Oromos traditionally were semi agro-pastoralists.

And Wollo is the name of the oromo tribe and has no amharic connotation.
Sirna Gadaa

Maple Grove, MN

#19 Feb 6, 2010
Levinsky wrote:
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and we lose what?
First off who the hell are you?
Only a spineless coward would come out and hide his identity.
So come out with it!
dikdik

Dumfries, VA

#20 Feb 6, 2010
http://books.google.com/books...

....read the above book. It's another book by the Protuguese recording the REAL TIME migration of Oromos into wollo.
Sirna Gadaa wrote:
<quoted text>Show a link to prove it.
but this doesn't prove a thing. Somalis and afars were the majority of Gragn's ranks(some oromo however).Currently there are lots of Afars in wollo.
Oromos never been true nomads! The most purest nomads in the HOA are afars and somalis(probalaly some other Eritrean tribes as well). The closest oromo to a true nomad are Karayu oromos in the Awash, whom i shown pics of. Oromos traditionally were semi agro-pastoralists.
And Wollo is the name of the oromo tribe and has no amharic connotation.

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