Hypocrisy of Race and the Ethiopian I...

Hypocrisy of Race and the Ethiopian Identity

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Mimi

Seaside, CA

#1 Sep 14, 2011
Why is it acceptable for an Indian man who is darker than me to say "I am not black, I'm Indian" but when I say "I'm not black, I'm Ethiopian." people get upset? I am not denying my complexion, I am a reddish/brown color. I am just saying that I am not a part of this false assumption that all people that are a certain complexion or darker are somehow bonded together as one people. I have as much in common with a chinese person as I do with a person from Cote D'Ivoir. Whether an outside party sees me as "black" does not make "blackness" a part of my identity. There is NOTHING that I have ever done/thought on behalf of or by virtue of my complexion, therefore it is not a part of my identity.

Again I ask, Why is it acceptable for an Indian man who is darker than me to say "I am not black, I'm Indian" but when I say "I'm not black, I'm Ethiopian" people get upset?

Since: Jul 11

Lynnwood, WA

#2 Sep 14, 2011
I think it's because since Indians live in south Asia, they feel that their culture is unique and completely different then anything Africa has to offer, even though they are similar to Arabia and the Horn. But they want to distant themselves, and the world seems to acknowledge that because their not from any part of Africa. But when an African who is non-Bantu (North, Horn of Africa) explains that they are Semitic, Hamitic, etc. and still African, people see that as them trying to deny their "Blackness". Which I think is complete bullshit.
Welkayit Jegna

Union, NJ

#3 Sep 14, 2011
Mimi wrote:
Why is it acceptable for an Indian man who is darker than me to say "I am not black, I'm Indian" but when I say "I'm not black, I'm Ethiopian." people get upset? I am not denying my complexion, I am a reddish/brown color. I am just saying that I am not a part of this false assumption that all people that are a certain complexion or darker are somehow bonded together as one people. I have as much in common with a chinese person as I do with a person from Cote D'Ivoir. Whether an outside party sees me as "black" does not make "blackness" a part of my identity. There is NOTHING that I have ever done/thought on behalf of or by virtue of my complexion, therefore it is not a part of my identity.
Again I ask, Why is it acceptable for an Indian man who is darker than me to say "I am not black, I'm Indian" but when I say "I'm not black, I'm Ethiopian" people get upset?
This is what the bible says about Ethiopia "Is it possible for the skin of the Ethiopian to be changed, or the markings on the leopard? Then it might be possible for you to do good, who have been trained to do evil". I see a lot of habesha girls deny there blackness so they can be considered exotic looking. They act very conceited. Also there is more pressing needs we as Ethiopians need to discuss about now than what race we are.
Mimi

Seaside, CA

#4 Sep 15, 2011
Welkayit Jegna wrote:
<quoted text> This is what the bible says about Ethiopia "Is it possible for the skin of the Ethiopian to be changed, or the markings on the leopard? Then it might be possible for you to do good, who have been trained to do evil". I see a lot of habesha girls deny there blackness so they can be considered exotic looking. They act very conceited. Also there is more pressing needs we as Ethiopians need to discuss about now than what race we are.
Maybe they are doing the same thing that I am. I deny the title of Negro and anything else that is a politically correct version of the word. I believe that there is a reason why we don't have a word for "race" in our language... because the whole idea of "race" is retarded. Imagine saying that we are the same "zer" as someone from the Congo or Senegal just because we are all darker than European people and live in Africa lol. I hope we never start having such stupid discussions. If we want to discuss identity, let's talk about what it means to be Ethiopian, or Oromo/Tigre/Gurage/etc.. all of this race business is stupid and has nothing to do with who we are.
Raindrop

United States

#5 Sep 15, 2011
Actually those ethnic groups are outdated..and divisive terms that shouldnt be discussed...I laugh at the silly discussion about whose real habasha.. And the amhara saying they are pure while gurage is not because yhey mixed with oromo....loo l those are things that shouldnt be discussed..if you dont want to refer to your self as black that s fine..but ethiopia is in sub saharan africa technically you are the same race as some one from congo etc....just different branch..that being congoid and cushitic...its evident that horners are mixed with arab or whatever but it syill doesnt negate the facts.... And of course a dravidian etc may dEny that..there whole cultutre shuns it.......lets talk about getting paper
far

Fullerton, CA

#6 Sep 15, 2011
Raindrop wrote:
Actually those ethnic groups are outdated..and divisive terms that shouldnt be discussed...I laugh at the silly discussion about whose real habasha.. And the amhara saying they are pure while gurage is not because yhey mixed with oromo....loo l those are things that shouldnt be discussed..if you dont want to refer to your self as black that s fine..but ethiopia is in sub saharan africa technically you are the same race as some one from congo etc....just different branch..that being congoid and cushitic...its evident that horners are mixed with arab or whatever but it syill doesnt negate the facts.... And of course a dravidian etc may dEny that..there whole cultutre shuns it.......lets talk about getting paper
Hypocrisy..so why we look different,distinct and not you

why Europeans look the same way unless they are mixed,,,huh

dont tell me Africa is diverse ffak you
ferhan

San Jose, CA

#7 Sep 15, 2011
genetical distribution of Turkish population living in Turkey is 2% Ethiopian, sharing Y-DNA haplogroups with Turkish population, why is that the case? that is for those who would like to ponder the question sincerly and rationally not withstanding the political correctness that some entertain so readily appeasing some sectors...hope someone wont remind me of digressing as far as the topic/thread under the discussion is concerned LOL .. and i do share mimi's point of view

Raindrop

United States

#9 Sep 15, 2011
The diverse races of the human species outlined above all have their own geographical territory that has historically been exclusively their own, which may be referred to as their racial homeland, and is closely identified with the race that inhabits it. Between most of these exclusive homelands are clinal zones -- areas of contact between different racial territories. These racial borderlands are frequently areas of interracial contact and intermixture where adjacent races merge into one another, creating racially mixed or hybridized populations of intermediate type called racial clines. The Dravidic race of India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, created by the intermixture of the local Caucasoid (Indic or Nordindid) and Australoid (Veddoid) populations, and the Aethiopid race of Ethiopia and Somalia, created by the intermixture of the local Caucasoid (Mediterranid) and Congoid races, are two very ancient racial clines which have stabilized into distinct races of intermediate type. Racial clines of more recent formation, where the racial blends are not yet stabilized, include the populations of many Latin American and Caribbean countries, which were created over the last 500 years by the intermixture of various Caucasoid (mostly Mediterranid), Congoid and Amerindian elements. The population of Mexico, for example, is about 5% Caucasoid, 30% Amerindian and 65% Mestizo, the Spanish term for persons of mixed Amerindian-Caucasoid ancestry.(The same term is used in the Philippines for persons of mixed Filipino-Caucasoid ancestry.) The multiracialization of the populations of North America and, more recently, Europe, has begun to transform them into racial clines. As discussed in other essays on this site, this process of racial transformation will eventually cause the effective extinction or nonexistence of the European racial types in the affected areas unless adequate preservationist measures are taken to prevent it.

Since: Jul 11

Lynnwood, WA

#10 Sep 15, 2011
Raindrop wrote:
The diverse races of the human species outlined above all have their own geographical territory that has historically been exclusively their own, which may be referred to as their racial homeland, and is closely identified with the race that inhabits it. Between most of these exclusive homelands are clinal zones -- areas of contact between different racial territories. These racial borderlands are frequently areas of interracial contact and intermixture where adjacent races merge into one another, creating racially mixed or hybridized populations of intermediate type called racial clines. The Dravidic race of India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, created by the intermixture of the local Caucasoid (Indic or Nordindid) and Australoid (Veddoid) populations, and the Aethiopid race of Ethiopia and Somalia, created by the intermixture of the local Caucasoid (Mediterranid) and Congoid races, are two very ancient racial clines which have stabilized into distinct races of intermediate type. Racial clines of more recent formation, where the racial blends are not yet stabilized, include the populations of many Latin American and Caribbean countries, which were created over the last 500 years by the intermixture of various Caucasoid (mostly Mediterranid), Congoid and Amerindian elements. The population of Mexico, for example, is about 5% Caucasoid, 30% Amerindian and 65% Mestizo, the Spanish term for persons of mixed Amerindian-Caucasoid ancestry.(The same term is used in the Philippines for persons of mixed Filipino-Caucasoid ancestry.) The multiracialization of the populations of North America and, more recently, Europe, has begun to transform them into racial clines. As discussed in other essays on this site, this process of racial transformation will eventually cause the effective extinction or nonexistence of the European racial types in the affected areas unless adequate preservationist measures are taken to prevent it.
Not every race is a byproduct of 2 races mixing. The Dravidians are a branch of Cushites who decent from Nimrod, son of Cush, who moved East from Persia. How can they be a mix of Aryan Indian if since the beginning if there interaction they have been segregated through the caste system of Hinduism?.. Habeshi's and and Somali's are Semitic, not a mixed race. We have like 2% Sub Saharan DNA. And there is no such thing as a Congoid race, there are 3 different sub-Saharan races: Sudanic(West African), Bantu(Central African), and Kholsan(South Africa). That race theory was made in the 1800's by some European who knew nothing of the world around him.
Raindrop

United States

#11 Sep 16, 2011
all race theories made by.carlton coon were fringed debunked...true indiigrnous abyssunians are black african...no way the oromo, ppl from gondar, etc are 2% negros..lol..those semetic ppl with 2k% saharan are a minority in ethiopia..yet yhey have all the power dravidian are from vedoid african who left the continent.. Aryan ppl came later with the racist caste system...If you red the link it stated that ..was ancient mixing due to.location..I'm not denying that some ethiopians may be pure but yhey are not indigenous..sub sahara africa is black africa...period those ppl like coon works were debunked somalis are not semetic but arab..its funny how you ppl try to say your closer to other ppl..when facts, common sense, proves otherwise..I lived in dc ..I meet ethiopians all the time who say they are black when we start talking politics...oh yea fux meles..
Mimi

Seaside, CA

#12 Sep 16, 2011
Rather than debate which racial theory is more accurate, why don't we just chunk the whole idea of race? Maybe it is time that we all come to understand that Ethiopia doesn't have a word for Race because it doesn't exist.

Homohalypus groups, craniometrics, skin color, etc... all nonsense. A retarded attempt at genetically stratifying the world because stratification by class or wealth can be undone, but BIOLOGY is as close to permanent as people can get.
Cellest

Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

#13 Sep 16, 2011
Raindrop wrote:
all race theories made by.carlton coon were fringed debunked...true indiigrnous abyssunians are black african...no way the oromo, ppl from gondar, etc are 2% negros..lol..those semetic ppl with 2k% saharan are a minority in ethiopia..yet yhey have all the power dravidian are from vedoid african who left the continent.. Aryan ppl came later with the racist caste system...If you red the link it stated that ..was ancient mixing due to.location..I'm not denying that some ethiopians may be pure but yhey are not indigenous..sub sahara africa is black africa...period those ppl like coon works were debunked somalis are not semetic but arab..its funny how you ppl try to say your closer to other ppl..when facts, common sense, proves otherwise..I lived in dc ..I meet ethiopians all the time who say they are black when we start talking politics...oh yea fux meles..
You Guys are Idiot, in the first place Ethiopians are not all Semitic, we are people from Semitic and Cushitic/Haitic stock in General, and almost all Ethiopians are Afro Asiatic, the somalis are neither Arab nor Semitic. In the first place Arab is Semitic, the Somalis are Cushitic in the stock of Afro Asiatics. In generall almost all Horn people (Eth,Eri,Dji,Som and N.Sud) are the same people. The difference is either they are Semitics or Cushitics, and Semitic and Cushitics is from one bigger parent. Being black is nothing, for that matter no one is actually black in color (as charcoal) thus this is just a designation, and no one is white as paper. Please do not feel some inferiority if some one call you black, actually all the horn people are black but they are not from the Negro stock (even this is an outdated taxonomy of race). Thus as a people of horn we are distinct and still we have variation among our selves like Amahra (sem) and Oromo or Somali (Cush).... but the bottom line is these people have a lot in common than the rest of Africa, for God sake if you come to Ethiopia largely you can not tell who is who unless he tell you his ethnicity especially in the cities, but you can tell Nigerian or Kenian or Mozambique. This is because they are markedly different phenotypically, I know that there were lots of Ethiopians spying in Eritrea for Ethiopia just because they could not tell them who is who, and the same thing has happened in the Ethiopian Side, this has also happened during the Ethio Somali war, if you can speak Somali fluent even if you are oromo or amara the somalis do not have a way to tell that you are not somali unless they use some other methods like interrogation of your clan or asking for evidence. The point that I want to make is THERE IS NOTHING WITH BEING CALLED BLACK, AND EVEN IF THE HORN PPL ARE DIFFERENT IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM EXTRA SPECIAL. DO NOT FEEL LOW OR HIGH FOR WHO YOU ARE JUST ACCEPT AND LIVE WITH IT. No one has chosen to be who he has become after all. ALL OF YOU ARE IDIOTS, STUPID AND IN DARKNESS. ADIEU
Raindrop

United States

#14 Sep 16, 2011
Dude thats my point noone is special ....which is why...I beleive this argument about race is dumb..lets talk about..kicking meles out

Since: Jul 11

Lynnwood, WA

#15 Sep 16, 2011
Semitic Ethiopians are indigenous. That Sabaean theory is a racist story to make it seem nothing in Africa is made my Africans. Read the Book of Enoch in the Ethiopian Bible and it will tell you all descendants of Ham AND Shem are black skinned. so when I say habeshi and Somali are Semitic, I'm not saying we are Caucasian. Semitic is part of the Afro-Asiatic race, which ranges from tan to pitch black skin. The book of Enoch also describes that 3 sons of Joktan, son of Shem were one of the first to migrate and live in Africa, occupying the whole Nile River.

Semite/Hamite/Cushite= Afro-Asiatic Race= Black

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shem#Racial_conn...
Alek

Citrus Heights, CA

#16 Sep 25, 2011
As an Ethiopian I have never nor will I EVER call myself "black".

Black people have no language, no culture. Its a false identity.

I don't hear East Asians calling themselves yellow; its bec that is ridiculous.

I encourage ALL Ethiopians to check the other box and write in either Ethiopian or their Ethiopian ethnic group.

Im with you 100%

I'm Ethiopian American and will never call myself black or African American. I know what country I'm from and my ansestors were not slaves.

In all honesty its only African Americans who get angry when Ethiopians want to identify with their heritage, and its pure jeslousy.

Reality is:
Italians are from Italy
Indians from India
Japanese from Japan
Russians from Russia
Ethiopians from Ethiopia

Where are Black people from? I've never seen Blackistan or Blackia on the map.
Gee 17

Bethesda, MD

#17 Sep 25, 2011
I personally don't know any Ethiopian that call him/herself anything but black. We are proud black people. We don't have to call our-self AA, but we are black for sure.

Do you remember "Yetiqure Hizeb dele?" Our grandparents called themselves black, so there is noting that would change that fact!

I am Ethiopian , and I am black!
Alek

Citrus Heights, CA

#18 Sep 25, 2011
Black is a fake identity made up for the decendants of slaves. You are Ethiopian, NOT black.

Im not sure where you live, but here in the west coast we Ethiopians will never call ourselves black.

Ethiopians who call themselves black are those that accept African Americans aka blacks as brothers and sisters and they are anything but; don't associate your self with the scum of American society.
Alek

Citrus Heights, CA

#19 Sep 25, 2011
Why don't you ever great east asians calling themselves yellow?

No such thing as a black, white or yellow person.

You identify with your geographical orgin NOT a color. Your skin isn't even the color black.

I bet if they called you a gorilla you would be fighting to be called that too. I don't care what African Americans call themselves but Ethiopians are NOT black and Never will bee.

Reject the term black! You are Ethiopian!
Gee 17

Bethesda, MD

#21 Sep 25, 2011
Alek wrote:
Black is a fake identity made up for the decendants of slaves. You are Ethiopian, NOT black.
Im not sure where you live, but here in the west coast we Ethiopians will never call ourselves black.
Ethiopians who call themselves black are those that accept African Americans aka blacks as brothers and sisters and they are anything but; don't associate your self with the scum of American society.
You sir, are a racist...I have no other word to describe you better!

It is not about Africa Americans, this is about me being myself... black. The social status of AA in US doesn't make me to deny the fact that I am belong to the same black race. Yes, I black and I am also proud of it. You can call yourself whatever you want in the west coast, but you can't tell me or other Ethiopians what they should and shouldn't call themselves.
Gee 17

Bethesda, MD

#22 Sep 25, 2011
Ethio wrote:
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Since you are an African living in America, you are also African American.
I don't think just living in America makes me an Africa American. If I was born here and raised, yes, I would call myself that because I might like the things they do..but I am not. I came here when I was 17, and as far as I am concerned there is no much in common between AA and me! So calling myself AA is wrong.

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