Samaale: ORIGINS, MIGRATIONS, AND SETTLEMENT

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Since: Oct 12

Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

#1 Feb 4, 2013
A paucity of written historical evidence forces the student of early Somalia to depend on the findings of archeology, anthropology, historical linguistics, and related disciplines. Such evidence has provided insights that in some cases have refuted conventional explanations of the origins and evolution of the Somali people. For example, where historians once believed that the Somalis originated on the Red Sea's western coast, or perhaps in southern Arabia, it now seems clear that the ancestral homeland of the Somalis, together with affiliated Cushite peoples, was in the highlands of southern Ethiopia, specifically in the lake regions.

http://countrystudies.us/somalia/3.htm

Scholars now recognize that the Arab factor--except for the Somalis' conversion to Islam--is marginal to understanding the Somali past. Furthermore, conventional wisdom once held that Somali migrations followed a north-to-south route; the reverse of this now appears to be nearer the truth.

The Somalis belong to a subbranch of the Cushites, the Omo-Tana group, whose languages are almost mutually intelligible. The original home of the Omo-Tana group appears to have been on the Omo and Tana rivers, in an area extending from Lake Turkana in present-day northern Kenya to the Indian Ocean coast.

The Somalis form a subgroup of the Omo-Tana called Sam. Having split from the main stream of Cushite peoples about the first half of the first millennium B.C., the proto-Sam appear to have spread to the grazing plains of northern Kenya, where protoSam communities seem to have followed the Tana River and to have reached the Indian Ocean coast well before the first century A.D. On the coast, the proto-Sam splintered further; one group (the Boni) remained on the Lamu Archipelago, and the other moved northward to populate southern Somalia. There the group's members eventually developed a mixed economy based on farming and animal husbandry, a mode of life still common in southern Somalia. Members of the proto-Sam who came to occupy the Somali Peninsula were known as the so-called Samaale, or Somaal, a clear reference to the mythical father figure of the main Somali clan-families, whose name gave rise to the term Somali.

The Samaale again moved farther north in search of water and pasturelands. They swept into the vast Ogaden (Ogaadeen) plains, reaching the southern shore of the Red Sea by the first century A.D. German scholar Bernd Heine, who wrote in the 1970s on early Somali history, observed that the Samaale had occupied the entire Horn of Africa by approximately 100 A.D.

Since: Oct 12

Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

#2 Feb 4, 2013
These facts define the location of the Somali tribes that were particularly the historical neighbors
of the Oromo. If the Oromo would have been familiar with an important Somali group other than
Jiida and Gabra before the expansion, they would not ignore their national or tribal names until
the twentieth century. But this does not mean that Oromo or Somali did not know about the
common name of the other. The exchange of localized names, however, explains that their
contacts before the Oromo expansion had mostly been confined to specific region. That region is
the area relates to the water shed of southern branches of Jubba River which is the east and
northeast of Lake Abbaya.

http://wardheernews.com/Articles_2011/Dec/31_...

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#3 Feb 4, 2013
These facts define the location of the Somali tribes that were particularly the historical neighbors
of the Oromo. If the Oromo would have been familiar with an important Somali group other than
Jiida and Gabra before the expansion, they would not ignore their national or tribal names until
the twentieth century. But this does not mean that Oromo or Somali did not know about the
common name of the other. The exchange of localized names, however, explains that their
contacts before the Oromo expansion had mostly been confined to specific region. That region is
the area relates to the water shed of southern branches of Jubba River which is the east and

We came from arabs (: Which is why we look different than other africans.

Since: Oct 12

Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

#4 Feb 7, 2013
Don't feel that bad, rather your ancient origin could be somewhere in north or north eastern.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/anbessa2011/6284...

Somali Ancient-Egyptian DNA in the Horn of Africa.
Even, the genetic research prove that the somali DNA is originally from Egypt => Haplogroup E1b1b1a (V68):19th century before J-Christ => Place of origin : Egypt and northern Soudan .

Extract of the genetic research :( More recently, Tillmar et al.(2009) typed 147 males from Somalia for 12 Y-STR loci, and observed that 77%(113/147) had typical E1b1b1a1b haplotypes. This is currently the highest frequency of E1b1b1a1b found in any single sample population. Similarly, Hassan et al.(2008) in their study observed this to be the most common of the sub-clades of E-M78 found in Sudan, especially among the Beja, Masalit and Fur. The Beja, like Somalis, Sahos ,Afars and Oromos, speak an Afro-Asiatic language and live along the "corridor" from Egypt to the Horn of Africa.)

The greek historian Diodorus of Sicily in his book "Universal history "said that in 6th century before-J-Christ , because of a political crisis in Egypt and the euro-asiatics's infiltrations in Egypt , more than 200 thousands of ancient-egyptians migrated in the south of the Nile in the direction of Ethiopia ,East Africa (Now,Somalia ,Djibouti,Ethiopia ...)./

I hope you like it now.

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#5 Feb 7, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
Don't feel that bad, rather your ancient origin could be somewhere in north or north eastern.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/anbessa2011/6284...
Somali Ancient-Egyptian DNA in the Horn of Africa.
Even, the genetic research prove that the somali DNA is originally from Egypt => Haplogroup E1b1b1a (V68):19th century before J-Christ => Place of origin : Egypt and northern Soudan .
Extract of the genetic research :( More recently, Tillmar et al.(2009) typed 147 males from Somalia for 12 Y-STR loci, and observed that 77%(113/147) had typical E1b1b1a1b haplotypes. This is currently the highest frequency of E1b1b1a1b found in any single sample population. Similarly, Hassan et al.(2008) in their study observed this to be the most common of the sub-clades of E-M78 found in Sudan, especially among the Beja, Masalit and Fur. The Beja, like Somalis, Sahos ,Afars and Oromos, speak an Afro-Asiatic language and live along the "corridor" from Egypt to the Horn of Africa.)
The greek historian Diodorus of Sicily in his book "Universal history "said that in 6th century before-J-Christ , because of a political crisis in Egypt and the euro-asiatics's infiltrations in Egypt , more than 200 thousands of ancient-egyptians migrated in the south of the Nile in the direction of Ethiopia ,East Africa (Now,Somalia ,Djibouti,Ethiopia ...)./
I hope you like it now.
Somalis aren't from egypt, I think you meant the other way around. We were the land of punt, the land of gods and the ae's said they came from us.

According to the Ancient Egyptians themselves , the egyptians came from the Land of Punt, the land of gods,ancestors and even , Queen Hatshepsout of Egypt (15th century B-C) said that Hathor The mistress of Punt ,her mother was from the land of Punt ,from "Buun" the ancient name of Somalia ! To conclude ,"Buun" means in Somali "Horn" and the Land of "Buun" (or Punt in european language) is located in the the Horn of Africa, in the Somali territories, " by Abdisalam Mahamoud . Master II degree: History of Civilisations and Religions.

We are obviously not from arabs. I'm somali and I know.

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#6 Feb 7, 2013
This next century will be huge for the horn of Africa when it comes to unraveling history.

“Dereela Nomad”

Since: Apr 10

Derela, Ethiopia

#7 Feb 7, 2013
Elmiboy wrote:
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Somalis aren't from egypt, I think you meant the other way around. We were the land of punt, the land of gods and the ae's said they came from us.
According to the Ancient Egyptians themselves , the egyptians came from the Land of Punt, the land of gods,ancestors and even , Queen Hatshepsout of Egypt (15th century B-C) said that Hathor The mistress of Punt ,her mother was from the land of Punt ,from "Buun" the ancient name of Somalia ! To conclude ,"Buun" means in Somali "Horn" and the Land of "Buun" (or Punt in european language) is located in the the Horn of Africa, in the Somali territories, " by Abdisalam Mahamoud . Master II degree: History of Civilisations and Religions.
We are obviously not from arabs. I'm somali and I know.
You are an idiot and a liar...Buun literally means coffee in Somali language.

“Dereela Nomad”

Since: Apr 10

Derela, Ethiopia

#8 Feb 7, 2013
And Horn literally means gees in Somali.

You are crazy.

Since: Oct 12

Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

#9 Feb 7, 2013
Elmiboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Somalis aren't from egypt, I think you meant the other way around. We were the land of punt, the land of gods and the ae's said they came from us.
According to the Ancient Egyptians themselves , the egyptians came from the Land of Punt, the land of gods,ancestors and even , Queen Hatshepsout of Egypt (15th century B-C) said that Hathor The mistress of Punt ,her mother was from the land of Punt ,from "Buun" the ancient name of Somalia ! To conclude ,"Buun" means in Somali "Horn" and the Land of "Buun" (or Punt in european language) is located in the the Horn of Africa, in the Somali territories, " by Abdisalam Mahamoud . Master II degree: History of Civilisations and Religions.
We are obviously not from arabs. I'm somali and I know.
The land of punt was not precisely identified by scholars, although it is generally agreed that it represented all of the ancient Ethiopia (including Somalies). Many Somalies tend to identify punt as if they are the only punties but evidences today are showing that somalies are rather new expanders to their present area from southern Ethiopia

"A paucity of written historical evidence forces the student of early Somalia to depend on the findings of archeology, anthropology, historical linguistics, and related disciplines. Such evidence has provided insights that in some cases have refuted conventional explanations of the origins and evolution of the Somali people. For example, where historians once believed that the Somalis originated on the Red Sea's western coast, or perhaps in southern Arabia, it now seems clear that the ancestral homeland of the Somalis, together with affiliated Cushite peoples, was in the highlands of southern Ethiopia, specifically in the lake regions"

http://countrystudies.us/somalia/3.htm

It is undoubtedly true that Somalies were among the ancient punties but never the first. Rather, Afars and Bejas are ancient likely to be the first punties.

Since: Oct 12

Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

#10 Feb 7, 2013
Elmiboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Somalis aren't from egypt, I think you meant the other way around. We were the land of punt, the land of gods and the ae's said they came from us.
According to the Ancient Egyptians themselves , the egyptians came from the Land of Punt, the land of gods,ancestors and even , Queen Hatshepsout of Egypt (15th century B-C) said that Hathor The mistress of Punt ,her mother was from the land of Punt ,from "Buun" the ancient name of Somalia ! To conclude ,"Buun" means in Somali "Horn" and the Land of "Buun" (or Punt in european language) is located in the the Horn of Africa, in the Somali territories, " by Abdisalam Mahamoud . Master II degree: History of Civilisations and Religions.
We are obviously not from arabs. I'm somali and I know.
Similar with other cushites, there has always been back ward and forward movement of people from punt to Egypt and vice versa, using the nile corrider. But, that is very ancient (before 6kya years). Clearly, most of the cushites DNA here in HOA had origin in either Egypt or Libya. This never contradict from the claim that ancient Egyptians from the biginning were Ethiopian cushites (including somalies). Haplotype E1b1b had origin here in HOA, from which ancient Egyptians evolved, but haplotypes EM-78 or EV-68 are later descandants that back migrated from Egypt along with the nile corrider. Accordingly, the land of punt has to be in that direction (and extending east as far as the red sea)

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#11 Feb 8, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
<quoted text>
The land of punt was not precisely identified by scholars, although it is generally agreed that it represented all of the ancient Ethiopia (including Somalies). Many Somalies tend to identify punt as if they are the only punties but evidences today are showing that somalies are rather new expanders to their present area from southern Ethiopia
"A paucity of written historical evidence forces the student of early Somalia to depend on the findings of archeology, anthropology, historical linguistics, and related disciplines. Such evidence has provided insights that in some cases have refuted conventional explanations of the origins and evolution of the Somali people. For example, where historians once believed that the Somalis originated on the Red Sea's western coast, or perhaps in southern Arabia, it now seems clear that the ancestral homeland of the Somalis, together with affiliated Cushite peoples, was in the highlands of southern Ethiopia, specifically in the lake regions"
http://countrystudies.us/somalia/3.htm
It is undoubtedly true that Somalies were among the ancient punties but never the first. Rather, Afars and Bejas are ancient likely to be the first punties.
Actually till this day no one knows the origins of the somali people. Even though we were the puntites, our history overlaps with others in the horn of africa but I believe we predominately made up that group. But we'll have to wait and see what comes out/ we discover.

Since: Nov 12

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#12 Feb 8, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Similar with other cushites, there has always been back ward and forward movement of people from punt to Egypt and vice versa, using the nile corrider. But, that is very ancient (before 6kya years). Clearly, most of the cushites DNA here in HOA had origin in either Egypt or Libya. This never contradict from the claim that ancient Egyptians from the biginning were Ethiopian cushites (including somalies). Haplotype E1b1b had origin here in HOA, from which ancient Egyptians evolved, but haplotypes EM-78 or EV-68 are later descandants that back migrated from Egypt along with the nile corrider. Accordingly, the land of punt has to be in that direction (and extending east as far as the red sea)
And obviously the ancient egyptians were cushites if they called the land of punt the land of gods/where their race came from.

Since: Oct 12

Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

#13 Feb 8, 2013
Elmiboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually till this day no one knows the origins of the somali people. Even though we were the puntites, our history overlaps with others in the horn of africa but I believe we predominately made up that group. But we'll have to wait and see what comes out/ we discover.
Perfect! Thank you.
Dante

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#14 Feb 8, 2013
Ameena wrote:
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You are an idiot and a liar...Buun literally means coffee in Somali language.
Thank God you have taken off that ugly tent off your face. Now you look prettier, don't ever put on any savage Saudis' desert cultural dress, burka, in the future.

Since: Nov 12

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#15 Feb 8, 2013
Dante wrote:
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Thank God you have taken off that ugly tent off your face. Now you look prettier, don't ever put on any savage Saudis' desert cultural dress, burka, in the future.
Why don't you mind your own business? She is a good Muslim!

Since: Oct 12

Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

#16 Feb 11, 2013
Elmiboy wrote:
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Why don't you mind your own business? She is a good Muslim!
The land of punt has been referred here also as the origin of Ethiopian civilization. Although the term 'Ethiopia' now refers certain geographic location, ancient Ethiopia undoubtedly included todays Somali (both the people and the territory). Ancient axumite inscription referred todays Somali territory as its port (Zeila). Also, recently around 14th century, Amde Tsion mentioned the name 'Somali'. What is missing in ancient Ethiopian records is the name 'Oromo' or 'Galla', but genetics and recent 16th century records has already placed Oromo to the Southern Ethiopia.

So, why do some Somalies believe punt as just their own? It is an ancient root of all of the Ethiopians. Some scholars described Punt to be related with the hystory and name of the term 'Abesha'

"The term "Habesha" is thought by some [1] to be of Arabic descent (who used the word Habash, also the name of an Ottoman province comprising parts of modern-day Eritrea), because the English name Abyssinia comes from the Arabic form.[2] South Arabian expert Eduard Glaser claimed that the hieroglyphic &#7723;bstjw, used in reference to "a foreign people from the incense-producing regions" (i.e. Punt, probably located around southern Eritrea, northern Ethiopia, and the Sudanese border) used by Queen Hatshepsut ca. 1460 BC, was the first usage of the term or somehow connected, a claim repeated by others"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cluckbang/H...

Is it not possible that these inscence gathering people to share all areas of Southern Yemen, Erytria, northern Ethiopia and northern Sudan?

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#17 Feb 13, 2013
Glimmer wrote:
<quoted text>
The land of punt has been referred here also as the origin of Ethiopian civilization. Although the term 'Ethiopia' now refers certain geographic location, ancient Ethiopia undoubtedly included todays Somali (both the people and the territory). Ancient axumite inscription referred todays Somali territory as its port (Zeila). Also, recently around 14th century, Amde Tsion mentioned the name 'Somali'. What is missing in ancient Ethiopian records is the name 'Oromo' or 'Galla', but genetics and recent 16th century records has already placed Oromo to the Southern Ethiopia.
So, why do some Somalies believe punt as just their own? It is an ancient root of all of the Ethiopians. Some scholars described Punt to be related with the hystory and name of the term 'Abesha'
"The term "Habesha" is thought by some [1] to be of Arabic descent (who used the word Habash, also the name of an Ottoman province comprising parts of modern-day Eritrea), because the English name Abyssinia comes from the Arabic form.[2] South Arabian expert Eduard Glaser claimed that the hieroglyphic &#7723;bstjw, used in reference to "a foreign people from the incense-producing regions" (i.e. Punt, probably located around southern Eritrea, northern Ethiopia, and the Sudanese border) used by Queen Hatshepsut ca. 1460 BC, was the first usage of the term or somehow connected, a claim repeated by others"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cluckbang/H...
Is it not possible that these inscence gathering people to share all areas of Southern Yemen, Erytria, northern Ethiopia and northern Sudan?
Like I said, we can only tell for sure with time. This century will be huge for unraveling history in the horn of Africa.

Since: Oct 12

Addis Ababa, Ethiopia

#18 Feb 13, 2013
Elmiboy wrote:
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Like I said, we can only tell for sure with time. This century will be huge for unraveling history in the horn of Africa.
Sure, agreed! Esp, that of the horn is rather untouched. I always believe Somalies rather to be the most typical of ancient Ethiopians

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