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what are the advantages and disadvantages of fgm

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Friendly-Bantu

Kenya

#1 Jul 2, 2009
FGM is Female Genital Mutilation or female circumcision. Let's assume that the woman is over 20 years old and she voluntarily agree and it is done by a medical doctor or nurse.

Advantages:

1)It reduces the woman's desire for intercourse and the woman doesn't become promiscous?

2)There are still other areas in the female reproductive organ that can feel pleasure?

Disadvantages:

1)The bible doesn't support it.

2)The woman's happines in marriage is reduced.

3) It's a product of a male dominated society and it violates the woman's gender/human rights.

4)It complicates child birth and can cause both the mother and child to die.
Friendly-bantu

Kenya

#2 Jul 8, 2009
Is there any person in here who knows about FGM?

“Me @ hotmail.com”

Since: May 08

Toronto

#3 Jul 8, 2009
I've read a lot about it. All the advantages are for people who want to have control over female sexuality, as though women should not be allowed to chose their own sex partners but men can.
I like that you actually break down arguments so they can be discusses cas by case, so let's start with your Advantages section.
1) this is likely true, and may be the primary reason the practice first came into being, and still exists. Since intercourse becomes painful in many instances, particularly with the more extensive infibulation (the removal of all external genitals and sewing closed of the outer labia), there would be no advantage to being promisciuous.
The question then becomes how promiscuous are women in general? Are they so promiscuous that ritual masochistic sexual interference should be tolerated? If the answer is yes, promiscuity is such a problem that women must undergo this procedure, then the next question is, why not men too? Men after all are more promiscuous than women. If the removal of female genitals is a fair way to deal with sexual desire, why not hold every 7 year old boy down, and with no anesthetic, cut of the heads of their penises, and sew the rest of their penis to their scrotum? I think both ideas are barbaric, but why the sexism in genital mutilation?
2) It has been surmised from interviews with sudanese women (who almost all are infibulated), that orgasm is possible through intercourse, though it is not a frequent occurance. This argument though seems to contracdict the first argument. If some orgasm is good for women, why is more orgasm bad?
Now to the disadvantages
1) The bible doesn't support it, nor does the qu'ran, and that covers most of ethiopian society. The question becomes why would a just and loving god put a body part on all females that was pleasurable to own, and very painful to remove? God or nature doesn't give us things we don't need. Women's clitorises are there for a reason, mainly to promote orgasm as a means of 1 solidifying a social bond, and 2 to increase the liklehood of orgasm as a means of increasing fertility. Physiologically, the cervix plunges down into the cavity where sperm are deposited during sex, which raises the chance of pregnancy.
2) Womens happiness in or out of marriage would be reduced. Many many people have sexual relationships without being married, so this sexual frustration would follow the person, not just in the context of her matrimonial relatioships.
3) I agree with the patriarchy argument. To reiterate mine from above, why only women and not men? Male circumcision is not the same thing as female circumcision, so why the imbalance between genders.
4) yes. It puts a womans life and her childs life at risk, particularly for those like somalis and sudanese who are infibulated. Nothing should be done to anyone that puts their life at risk, all over sexual jealousy.

“Me @ hotmail.com”

Since: May 08

Toronto

#4 Jul 8, 2009
Here's a couple of cons to add to the debate:
5) its usually practiced in unsanitary conditions without anesthetic or proper cutting instruments. A rusty can lid, a razor blade, or a glass fragment can be uses, which is extremely painful, nevermind the infections that this can lead too.
6) increased risk of obstetric fistulas. Basically, this is a hole created by tissue death where a hold opens up between the vagina and something like the bowels or bladder. Once the hole is open, it can become a permanent condidtion without advanced medical intervention. Women leak urine and feces from their bodies without any control, and are often shunned because of this.
7) the psychological trauma of being held down by family members and sexually assaulted 'for your own good'. Nothing is more private to any human than their sexual selves. to be violated in such a heinous way seems insane, particularly with the prohibitions against premarital sex in many cultures where FGM is practiced. A good account of this comes from Waris Dirie's book (Desert Flower?).
Friendly-Bantu

Kenya

#5 Jul 9, 2009
Thanks.

“Me @ hotmail.com”

Since: May 08

Toronto

#6 Jul 9, 2009
I'm always surprised that people don't have more of an input on this issue, here on this board. It's a very striking issue, as well as common, but no one really wants to say anything about it.

Since: Dec 07

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#7 Jul 9, 2009
sabonis15 wrote:
I'm always surprised that people don't have more of an input on this issue, here on this board. It's a very striking issue, as well as common, but no one really wants to say anything about it.
Are women promiscious? If you mean do they want multiple partners then the answer is no. Women evolved to dedicate themselves to one partner so that her children will be cared for.

But there is a time in a young girl's life when she falls in love. This is what the circumsizers are trying to control. The heart wants what the heart wants and it may not be the same thing as the patriarch.

“Me @ hotmail.com”

Since: May 08

Toronto

#8 Jul 9, 2009
falasha wrote:
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Are women promiscious? If you mean do they want multiple partners then the answer is no. Women evolved to dedicate themselves to one partner so that her children will be cared for.
But there is a time in a young girl's life when she falls in love. This is what the circumsizers are trying to control. The heart wants what the heart wants and it may not be the same thing as the patriarch.
Women in general are less promiscuous than men, but some women are. However, there is no set standard for this procedure. it is done at different ages to different degrees, sometimes for different reasons. I think it comes down to a human rights issue. If you wish to as a mature adult mutilate yourself (with the help of others), go right ahead. When you're 7, no one has or should have the right to slice you up like that so you'll behave. I have a somali friend who had this done to her, and she has nothing but negative memories and negative sexual experience associated with her now partially destroyed genitals.

Since: Dec 07

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#9 Jul 9, 2009
sabonis15 wrote:
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Women in general are less promiscuous than men, but some women are. However, there is no set standard for this procedure. it is done at different ages to different degrees, sometimes for different reasons. I think it comes down to a human rights issue. If you wish to as a mature adult mutilate yourself (with the help of others), go right ahead. When you're 7, no one has or should have the right to slice you up like that so you'll behave. I have a somali friend who had this done to her, and she has nothing but negative memories and negative sexual experience associated with her now partially destroyed genitals.
It's true there are promiscious women but I have never met any. But I think this barbaric procedure evolved to make girls into a commodity. Girls were bought and sold into marriage and she was not allowed to have carnal thoughts. It's hard for me to believe that there are adult women that choose this procedure - unless they are manipulated by someone with more power. But I am an American and was raised on this side of women's lib movement.

“Me @ hotmail.com”

Since: May 08

Toronto

#10 Jul 9, 2009
falasha wrote:
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It's true there are promiscious women but I have never met any. But I think this barbaric procedure evolved to make girls into a commodity. Girls were bought and sold into marriage and she was not allowed to have carnal thoughts. It's hard for me to believe that there are adult women that choose this procedure - unless they are manipulated by someone with more power. But I am an American and was raised on this side of women's lib movement.
Plenty of sexist cultures, ie. confucian managed to be patriarchical without this type of body modification. As far as we can tell, its something that started in ancient egypt for unknown reasons. The reaons people give for doing it today vary, but controlling womens sexuality is near the top.

Since: Dec 07

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#11 Jul 9, 2009
sabonis15 wrote:
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Plenty of sexist cultures, ie. confucian managed to be patriarchical without this type of body modification. As far as we can tell, its something that started in ancient egypt for unknown reasons. The reaons people give for doing it today vary, but controlling womens sexuality is near the top.
That's interesting. But you are right. There are other patriarchial societies that don't do this type of body modification. Also, circumcision of males started in ME. I wonder if there is a connection? I mean, who was the first person to decide that cutting off the end of their plumbing was a good idea? Did Ismaelites circumcise their boys?

Since: Jan 09

Ta netjer - D.L.

#12 Jul 9, 2009
falasha wrote:
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That's interesting. But you are right. There are other patriarchial societies that don't do this type of body modification. Also, circumcision of males started in ME. I wonder if there is a connection? I mean, who was the first person to decide that cutting off the end of their plumbing was a good idea? Did Ismaelites circumcise their boys?
No the first were abraham in hebrew tradition.
practiced since ancient times, at first only in some North African tribes and later today and at the people of the Jewish religion and Islam as well as in parts of Oceania.
Even ancient egyptians do that. They practiced as a sign of affiliation to Ra, the god of the Sun, who had circumcised himself.

Since: Dec 07

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#13 Jul 9, 2009
THE REAL HABESHA wrote:
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No the first were abraham in hebrew tradition.
practiced since ancient times, at first only in some North African tribes and later today and at the people of the Jewish religion and Islam as well as in parts of Oceania.
Even ancient egyptians do that. They practiced as a sign of affiliation to Ra, the god of the Sun, who had circumcised himself.
Why did Ra circumcise himself? Ra tradition existed before Abraham so Abraham must have learned it from Egyptians.

Since: Jan 09

Ta netjer - D.L.

#14 Jul 10, 2009
falasha wrote:
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Why did Ra circumcise himself? Ra tradition existed before Abraham so Abraham must have learned it from Egyptians.
Well i dont know why Ra circumcise himself, this is in ancient egyptian tradition...
About Abraham you can think that he copied by egyptians if you dont believe to God, otherwise....

Since: Dec 07

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#15 Jul 10, 2009
THE REAL HABESHA wrote:
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Well i dont know why Ra circumcise himself, this is in ancient egyptian tradition...
About Abraham you can think that he copied by egyptians if you dont believe to God, otherwise....
I do not believe in literal interpretation of Bible. I think it is a history book told through eyes of paleolithic and neolithic people.
real deal

Lagos, Nigeria

#17 Dec 20, 2011
hey am only 10 and I find FGM very disgusting.
Ethiopian

Sweden

#18 Dec 20, 2011
If reduces the woman's desire for intercourse and the woman doesn't become promiscous. Then its very good women should not behave like who res.

“Me @ hotmail.com”

Since: May 08

Toronto

#19 Dec 20, 2011
Ethiopian wrote:
If reduces the woman's desire for intercourse and the woman doesn't become promiscous. Then its very good women should not behave like who res.
, Men are far more promiscuous than women. Maybe we should start cutting off penis's, and then sewing the remains to the scrotum so that it has to be ripped away every time the have sex. Also, we shoudl do it when they 3-12 years old, because they might not know what's good for them, and choose not to chatastrophically maim themselves.

Stupid Asshole.

Since: Dec 11

Perpignan, France

#22 Dec 26, 2011
Maybe I can pass a comment! FGM, has been illegal in Egypt for over 20 years,Yet you have a recent World Heath Statistics showing that over 97 % of women in Egypt have undergone,Type I & II, FGM, a lot of these are professional women,Doctors, Lawyers, Teachers etc, who have chosen to keep up their traditions. These surgical procedures are mostly done by Gynaecologists in Private Clinics, under hygienic conditions They chose it!
Cecylink

United States

#23 Aug 1, 2012
I see it as irresistibly disgusting

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