Eritreans are Eritreans not habehsa full stop

[eritrean]

i hate it when Eritreans say they are habehsa cause were not that’s a old word when Ethiopia use to control Eritrea

Now we are independent get rid of the old word recognise are new reality as Eritreans only nothing more nothing less

[Habishaman]

i hate carrots. Are they Ethiopian too?

[yaya]

Agree eritreans are not habesh...ethiopian can keep that name and shove it up their a** if they want...eritreans are not habesh.

[Asmarino]

What does habesha mean in the first place?

[haile]

Historically, habesha referred to the Semitic speakers such as the Amharas, Tigray-Tigrinya, and Gurages

[yaya]

Asmarino wrote:

What does habesha mean in the first place?

habesha means 2 things..first one in arabic its means "mix" deriving from the 7a-ba-sh which means to mix so its a mixture...but the ethiopian habesh are from the al habeshat semitic tribe from yemen,so basically saying there is a meaning and there was a tribe...the tribe of habeshat went to ethiopia while eritrean highlanders are from the agazian hamitic tribe or aga3eez.2 diffrent tribe.habeshat spoke sabean and aga3z spoke geez...till ethiopian adopted the geez language in 300ad and dropped the sabean language.geez was spoken by agazian since 2000bc.

[abr]

yaya wrote:

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habesha means 2 things..first one in arabic its means "mix" deriving from the 7a-ba-sh which means to mix so its a mixture...but the ethiopian habesh are from the al habeshat semitic tribe from yemen,so basically saying there is a meaning and there was a tribe...the tribe of habeshat went to ethiopia while eritrean highlanders are from the agazian hamitic tribe or aga3eez.2 diffrent tribe.habeshat spoke sabean and aga3z spoke geez...till ethiopian adopted the geez language in 300ad and dropped the sabean language.geez was spoken by agazian since 2000bc.

why and how they drop it?
be only for to day logical.
you are telling us opposite to the pattern in world history.
master adopted others lang??????????

[yaya]

abr wrote:

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why and how they drop it?
be only for to day logical.
you are telling us opposite to the pattern in world history.
master adopted others lang??????????

then explain why you spoke sabean till 300ad??why didnt you spoke geez since 2500bc?you adopted geez when you invaded eritrea..

[abr]

yaya wrote:

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then explain why you spoke sabean till 300ad??why didnt you spoke geez since 2500bc?you adopted geez when you invaded eritrea..

by the YAYA I Love you! it is from my heart.
when I read your post , i get some Laigh and smile with out any cost and tahnk you.
so when we invade you , we adopted your languge??
when the amhara Inavade you , they adopte your languge.
when the itali invade you , they adopted your lang
when the turky inaved you , they dopted your Lang
when Egypt invade you , they adopted your lang

do you have lnag factory?? i hope so.
are you telling telling a master adopted his slave lang and culture????
don't be funny , one of ways of oppression and colony is deprive your slave or colony ppl thier culture and lang and introduce them your own as superior.
that is the habasha culture introduce in the horn.
i know most eritrean even some from the now tigrigna speakers are not orginall tigrigna speakers but adopted it through time by habashazation.
if you want to tell us geez is eritrean you have to bring justfication such as " at one time eritreans used rule ethiopia" stories like i mentioned.
by the way i think there is no diffrence b/n the onrginal tigrigna speakers in tigray and ritrea but it always happen same ppl can live in diffreent countries in the world like oromo both in keneya, ethiopia and some in somalia.
afar and kunama both in ethiopia and eritrea.
that is we are ethiopian and you are eritrean finsh.
but last time i have seen you cry the afar in eritrea and ethiopia are different.
look afar are pastorial ppl they live every where in some distance, so you can't separate them as eritrean or ethiopian.
don't be stupid.
one think we have to know is we have our own choice where to be that is it.

[abr]

besides it is floosh to think italia occupied only the agazan.itali occupition move hindred by geography.
south ward by mereb , b/se passing mereb can risk itali in the summer.
east ward BElesa , passing belesa have risk.
it is the same to wards the west.

[yaya]

abr wrote:

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by the YAYA I Love you! it is from my heart.
when I read your post , i get some Laigh and smile with out any cost and tahnk you.
so when we invade you , we adopted your languge??
when the amhara Inavade you , they adopte your languge.
when the itali invade you , they adopted your lang
when the turky inaved you , they dopted your Lang
when Egypt invade you , they adopted your lang
do you have lnag factory?? i hope so.
are you telling telling a master adopted his slave lang and culture????
don't be funny , one of ways of oppression and colony is deprive your slave or colony ppl thier culture and lang and introduce them your own as superior.
that is the habasha culture introduce in the horn.
i know most eritrean even some from the now tigrigna speakers are not orginall tigrigna speakers but adopted it through time by habashazation.
if you want to tell us geez is eritrean you have to bring justfication such as " at one time eritreans used rule ethiopia" stories like i mentioned.
by the way i think there is no diffrence b/n the onrginal tigrigna speakers in tigray and ritrea but it always happen same ppl can live in diffreent countries in the world like oromo both in keneya, ethiopia and some in somalia.
afar and kunama both in ethiopia and eritrea.
that is we are ethiopian and you are eritrean finsh.
but last time i have seen you cry the afar in eritrea and ethiopia are different.
look afar are pastorial ppl they live every where in some distance, so you can't separate them as eritrean or ethiopian.
don't be stupid.
one think we have to know is we have our own choice where to be that is it.

abr you cant be habesh and agazian at the same time...you do know that they are 2 completely diffrent tribe,unless you want to habeshnise the agazi they are 2 completely diffrent tribes..2500 years ago the sabean and ethiopian spoke sabean and eritrean spoke geez..let me ask you a question why is it city like yeha have everything in sabean while in eritrea everything prior to 300ad is in geez?facts doesnt lie even ezana had problem with geez as shown is his template as he ordered to adopt the geez language and drop the sabean but had problems putting geez into the sabean alphabet..there are 3 options you can choose from this and nothing else:

1/you are agazian eritrean that moved to tigray (which i doubt) and not al habeshat semite sabean.

2/you adopted that language from eritreans.

3/we starting speaking geez from u's even though there is a proof we soke geez 2000 years before you did.

it all comes to aga3ez and 7abashat..you cant be both,one spoke geez and other spoke sabean.

[abr]

yaya wrote:

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abr you cant be habesh and agazian at the same time...you do know that they are 2 completely diffrent tribe,unless you want to habeshnise the agazi they are 2 completely diffrent tribes..2500 years ago the sabean and ethiopian spoke sabean and eritrean spoke geez..let me ask you a question why is it city like yeha have everything in sabean while in eritrea everything prior to 300ad is in geez?facts doesnt lie even ezana had problem with geez as shown is his template as he ordered to adopt the geez language and drop the sabean but had problems putting geez into the sabean alphabet..there are 3 options you can choose from this and nothing else:
1/you are agazian eritrean that moved to tigray (which i doubt) and not al habeshat semite sabean.
2/you adopted that language from eritreans.
3/we starting speaking geez from u's even though there is a proof we soke geez 2000 years before you did.
it all comes to aga3ez and 7abashat..you cant be both,one spoke geez and other spoke sabean.

look i am not anthrologist and i acn't tell you about geez or sabean.
but lets talk on logic.
1)if eritrea speak geez why most eritrean not speak the same lang. if you look at the tigrigna speakers map , the land very small less than 15% nation. are live close to tigray.
2)if geez was the orginal eritrean lang , why as far going inside eritrea the lang is different.
3)eritrean used to be ruled by tigrayans untill very early accupied by itali. so how was a ruler adopted the ruled class culture or lang , i have never seen such type of history in the world before.
as far yaha , yaha is a another civilaztion in that time the route from yaha to adulis was used diffrent link which is through akklele.that is why there are some remaints both in akklle and agame some remants of the yaha civilaztion but the center was at adwa.
there are some historical place in akklele related to yeha i know , even when we were kids we used to hear there is ground link from yaha to akkelle/adulis.
rather the eritrean tigrigna are diffrent as ethiopian tigrigna speakers.
when i see eritrean tigrigna speakers i see diffrent catagories.
the seraye and akkelle.
look the seraye ppl look the adwa ppl, the kohayn and low land seraye look very close to the adwa ppl to wards mereb.
the north seraye the highlands and some hamasien look very close to the adwa ppl in hahayle, endaba tsahma , and embasenyti which was adwa major forces in the ruling class.
while the akklle ppl are very close and the same to the agame ppl.
some hamasien are mixed from tembien.
these are the eritrean ppl i see and i heard through history.
but it is up to you. we don't ask you to be an ethiopian and you don't ask us to be eritrean.
but to be sure i dn't see any diffrence b/n the two ppl, except thier wishes and intersts.if you believe they are different it is up to you but i don't believe it.

[yaya]

abr wrote:

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but it is up to you. we don't ask you to be an ethiopian and you don't ask us to be eritrean.
but to be sure i dn't see any diffrence b/n the two ppl, except thier wishes and intersts.if you believe they are different it is up to you but i don't believe it.

your question is very easy to answer
1/you cant compare the geez language to eritrea ITS AN ADOPTED LANGUAGE FROM IRAQ it was spoken not only in eritrea but in yemen,hijaz allthe way to leabnon along the western coast of arabia,to claim the geez language is american to claim the english language even that the abglo people modified it from a german dialect,and tigre and geez were one language,where do you think new tigrigna words comes from these days?all in tigre because its a 100% gezetic semitic language.
2/ language is diffrent in eritrea because not everyone is from the agazian tribe,the closest people to the agazian tribe and were once part of it were the beja tribe and were split between 1000bc - 2000 bc when the subtribe "agazian" today invaded babel and adopted the current language then.agazian today are known the kebesa tigrigna,the habab tigre and most of the bani amer,the halenga beja,the asawurta saho plus few other sub clans.the rest are adals (afar),beja proper,nara and kunama nilotic and bilen who are agaws.
3/eritrean was OCCUPIED by habesh not tigrayan on 3 occasion:300ad till 600 ad...then 1557 till 1880's,and 1962 till 1991...and hopefully it was the last time..the name tigray didnt exist till the 1600's.
yeha was the centre of the sabean civilization of ethiopia,before axum it was just yeha and sabean people,when axum rised around 200-300ad it was the "habesh" tribe who tried to take over,HABESH DONT SPEAK GEEZ THEY SPEAK SABEANS AS ITS KNOWN FACT,they invaded eritrea and adopted the geez after the advise of the syrian advisor to ezana's father.by the time ezana learned the language he still made many geez mistakes in his templates as the templates in meroe clearly shows.
and about who looks like who if you get any region in africa you will have the similarity,but fact remains that the two people are from diffrent bloodline and ancestory,i know you probarly havent been in eritrea but the saying always goes that the eritrean highlands are kins to the lowland tigre from bloodline,and the tigrayan people share similar culture and language to the kebesa people,but blood is thicker than water i have never ever heard a kebesa person saying we are closer to the tigrayan than the tigre people,ill tell you a story when yohannes was fighting the mahdist the kebesa people went to the mahdist to ally themself against yohanes and alula,when a halenga elder went to hamaseen he said to the kebesa people "we are also of the agazian nation",the halenga lived in hamaseen till the 1800's and the moved to where kassala is now and dropped tigre language for badawi but most still speak both.one more thing do you want to see agazian leftovers in arabia today??look for some people with the surname of "al ghazy" i saw one that told me he was told by his father that most eritrean share same ancestor as him.

[Asmarino]

I want to congratulate yaya and Abr for their civil discussion. I know yaya and admire his knowledge of this stuff, I just wish he would tell us his references so that we too could read them. As for Abr, if you are Ethiopian you are the first one who had disscused without reverting to insults against yaya and other Eritreans. Bravo! you are a smart and brave person.

[byy]

is this ur biggest concern... habesha, color, dating..lame topic

[abr]

yaya wrote:

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your question is very easy to answer
1because its a 100% gezetic semitic language.
2/ language is diffrent in eritrea because not everyone is from the agazian tribe,the closest people to the agazian tribe and were once part of it were the beja tribe and were split between 1000bc - 2000 bc when the subtribe "agazian" today invaded babel and adopted the current language then.agazian today are known the kebesa tigrigna,the habab tigre and most of the bani amer,the halenga beja,the asawurta saho plus few other sub clans.the rest are adals (afar),beja proper,nara and kunama nilotic and bilen who are agaws.
3/eritrean was OCCUPIED by habesh not tigrayan on 3 occasion:300ad till 600 ad...then 1557 till 1880's,and 1962 till 1991...and hopefully it was the last time..the name tigray didnt exist till the 1600's.
yeha was the centre of the sabean civilization of ethiopia,before axum it was just yeha and sabean people,when axum rised around 200-300ad it was the "habesh" tribe who tried to take over,HABESH DONT SPEAK GEEZ THEY SPEAK SABEANS AS ITS KNOWN FACT,they invaded eritrea and adopted the geez after the advise of the syrian advisor to ezana's father.by the time ezana learned the language he still made many geez mistakes in his templates as the templates in meroe clearly shows.
and about who looks like who if you get any region in africa you will have the similarity,but fact remains that the two people are from diffrent bloodline and ancestory,i know you probarly havent been in eritrea but the saying always goes that the eritrean highlands are kins to the lowland tigre from bloodline,and the tigrayan people share similar culture and language to the kebesa people,but blood is thicker than water i have never ever heard a kebesa person saying we are closer to the tigrayan than the tigre people,ill tell you a story when yohannes was fighting the mahdist the kebesa people went to the mahdist to ally themself against yohanes and alula,when a halenga elder went to hamaseen he said to the kebesa people "we are also of the agazian nation",the halenga lived in hamaseen till the 1800's and the moved to where kassala is now and dropped tigre language for badawi but most still speak both.one more thing do you want to see agazian leftovers in arabia today??look for some people with the surname of "al ghazy" i saw one that told me he was told by his father that most eritrean share same ancestor as him.

look the beja are kushtic ppl. how can you relate kushtic to semetic?
as far the history of yohanes , yohanes faces the greatest rivally in adwa and his family in agame than any where else. so rivally and in fighting doesn't tell blood link.
rather what i know is the eritrean higlands and gondres were with yohanes against others.
i know there are some indiviaduals who contantly change thier position such as blata bahta hagos.
all eritreans except tigrinya and tigre in eritrea are kushtic and nilotics.
where as the tigre some called them as kushtic and others as semetic.
i can't believe you relating eritrean higllands to tigre. ofcourse in the very history some shared languges are used.
the languges are taken from tigre delivaratly to use secrute words against DERG. not only EPLF but TPLF also used some words in thier fight but not now.
others even separating tigrayn ppl to eritrean kebesa some thing political to me.
look when we say we are ethiopian and eritrean we mean after eritrea accupied by itali not more than. if you look at familiy relation before that
time it is difficult to separate this eritrean or tigrayan.
look taking the time before itali the ADwa ppl or shire ppl are more eritrean than most hamasien.
but here we can agree not to Agree.

[pit]

i dont care !!!!

[Yilu]

eritrean wrote:

i hate it when Eritreans say they are habehsa cause were not that’s a old word when Ethiopia use to control Eritrea
Now we are independent get rid of the old word recognise are new reality as Eritreans only nothing more nothing less

Whatever, each for his own!

[kizer sozey]

I agree eritreans are eritreans NOT habesha thats a OLD ethiopean word

[Issayas Afeworki]

my tribe is tingryina im not a habesha this is a ethiopia word to divide the tingryna tribe im a eritrean like the rest of the other tribes in eritrea

i voted for freedom against ethiopia with the rest of eritrea 9 tribes