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Hi,
There is a theory from many people and scientists of FYROM that the second language of the Rosetta stone is the so called ancient macedonian language
just visit
http://rosetta-stone.etf.ukim.edu.mk/EN/
A basic assumption of our research is that in writing the text on the Rosetta Stone three scripts were used, but in three languages: ancient Egyptian, written in the hieroglyphic script, ancient Macedonian, written in the demotic script, and ancient Greek written in the ancient Greek alphabet......
There are also videos in youtube that support this..
Since I'm from Greece I would like to have some comments from you...
Egypt
Rosetta Stone and Ancient Macedonian language
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This theory is nothing but a pseudo theory based upon the fictional works of FYROMians, which is why no legit scholar on the subject even dares to touch it with a ten foot pole. |
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It may look very strange to you, but I can actually read and understand 99% of the translated text without converting it to our modern Macedonian language. So I can easily read the text translated to ancient Macedonian language. I have heard about this research few weeks ago. After reading the documents I found that all of the grammatical rules are the same as in our today's language. Translating this text based on ancient Macedonian language and grammar results in words, names and even sentences that are the same as in the Egyptian and ancient Greek text. Only this confirms that the basis for translating the text must be ancient Macedonian language whitch has same grammar rules as today's Macedonian language. Not to mention that all the adjectives, making plural, superlatives etc are completely the same as today. |
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Another FYROMIAN nut believing in pseudo science. Ancient Macedonian was a dialect of Greek. Face the facts, that is what all logical academics across the world say. Only Slavs from FYROM believe differently. |
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Well, since you are so mad about it I guess you are maybe Greek. And if it is true what you are saying, then go to the link http://rosetta-stone.etf.ukim.edu.mk/EN/ and read the translated text in ancient Macedonian . You can not understand it, don't you? About the FYROMIAN thing: My grand grandfather was not educated, but still he was teaching his son, my grandfather Macedonian language, not Bulgarian, not Serbian, but Macedonian. And he was Macedonian, no one told him that he is this or that. This was many many years before Y from FYROM was created. This is going from father to son and there is nothing that you can do about it. "all logical academics" - very interesting. Only those you will tell you what you want to hear are logical? You can only be angry with yourself because of your washed brain. Sorry. |
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Sorry but I'm not Greek nor am I interested in reading FYROMian propoganda found on nationalistic sites like the site you posted. Aristotel Tentov, yeah that's not Slavic. <sarcasm> Every single nuetral and unbiased academic around the world disputes the pseudo theories found at that laughable site you posted. So the one who is being brain washed around here is you, as well as being very naive in believing the pseudo 'history' taught by your Slavic country men. |
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Do you think that we have enough power to make propaganda? Hahaha, very funny. If we had that power things would have been very different now. I'm not believing in anything. But I'm telling you, and please read very carefully - I can read the translated text without big effort and imagine what I can understand it. And, now what my friend. Do I need you to tell me that it is propaganda? Those men are both university professors and scientist. I think we should wait to see how will world respond to their work. This issue is very very new. Please tell me who are this neutral academics around the world that are against this theory. Yes, it is a theory. You should not be so upset about it. I wonder why you are. It is nothing confirmed yet. And for Aristotel Tentov - yes it is Slavic, very old one. But you probably don't know anything about Slavic history. Aristotel is an old Macedonian name. You probably remember, Aristotel the teacher of Alexander the Macedonian. And this what is confirmed by all neutral international scientist all over the world. |
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Aristotel is a Greek ancient name, mis informed one, get your facts straight. No legit academic looks at the propaganda that your nationalistic sites keep popping out because they are BS. Go tell any legit academic that Aristole teacher of Alexander was not Greek and you will get laughed in your face. All neutral international scientist all over the world and historians have confirmed ancient Macedonia, their language and Macedonias were a Hellenic people not Slavs like you. Get your facts straight and stop trying to steal other peoples identity and history. |
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You know, "Greeks" (if there is such a thing) use such profanities when communicating on the internet.
i guess that this is understandable when you want to divert the attention to of the readers to anything else than the stated facts. I have not heard one Greek who said, I am open to any scientific evidence based on scientific methods tested like everything else proved in history. I expect to get responses on this comment in the same faction as all the other comments. One who should be asking themselves about their identity are the people who live in present Greece. You sure do look like the ancient statues.:) funny! |
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Dear all,
i am so,SO, proud i am Macedonian!! Macedonia is in my heart, Makedonia-the Land of the Big Mother! This will remain forever! So, the black, evil greeks, the increasing of your evil to Macedonians makes us stronger, and fills our hearts with more and more love to our ancient country! |
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Well, Jeff, I have already checked this with international and even Greek historians, and guess what - Aristotel and Alexander were Macedonians. It is so logical even if you are not a historian, Alexander was fighting against Hellenic people. And I asked you before - tell me only one of those "neutral international scientist all over the world and historians have confirmed". But you are just saying the same thing all over again and again without having any arguments. I can send you few international links if you like to educate yourself. |
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How uneducated you are people from Fyrom.
Makedonia is a greek name coming from Makednos which meand high land. Alexandros is a greek name meaning protector of men. His father name is Filippos a greek name meaning friend of a horse. His mother's name was Olymbiada a name connected with the mountain Olymbos and the Olympic games. Only greeks took part in Olympic games and people from Macedonia took part in them. Even Alexander's grandfather took part in Olympic games. Alexander's sister was called Thessaloniki (and not Solun of course) which is the second most populated city in Greece and of couse a Greek name meaning victory over the peiple from Thessaly which is also a part of Greece. Alexander's teacher is of couse Greek and his name is composed from 2 greek words Aristos meaning the best and Telios meaning perfect. Macedonians worshipped the greek Gods and used the drachma as their coin which has the name coin with the one Greeks used before Euro. All the Macedonian kings had greek names and all of the thousands inscriptions and coins are written in Greek language. You are SlavoBoulgarianAlbanians. You speak a Bulgaric dialect. People from Bulgary can understand nearly anything you say. Your names are Slavic. Your national heroes like Goce Delcev and Sandaskis are also Buklgarian national heroes and are villages located in Bulgaria. Your second president lives now in Bulgaria and he is a Bulgarian citizen. Last year at least 8000 people from Fyrom got Bulgarian passports. The sign of the winner party in the recent elections has the same sign with the coat of arms of Bulgaria. Evidence and facts are clear about your origin and about your real intentions.. |
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Manolis, Where did you learn this, in Greek Schools? The topic here is "Rosetta Stone and Ancient Macedonian language". WAnyway, why would Filip (Filippos) and his son fight against Hellens (because the name Greece is only 180 years old) if they were the same people? |
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If you knew how to read and write Greek or the Hellenic language you can easily understand the origin of the all the ancient names:
Filippos : Filos + Ippos = friend of a horse Alexandros : Alexo + Andras = Protector of men Thessaloniki : Thessalia + Niki = Victory over people from Thessaly. Archelaos : Archigos + Laos = Leader of people Aristotelis : Aristos + Telios = Best and Perfect and so on. I can write a list of 100 Macedonian names which all have greek meaning. If there is a fight between some Hellenic tribes that doesn't prove anything. Athenias fought also against Spartans. And don't tell me wher do I learn all these you uneducated person. If you knew basic linguistic and history you should easily understand the truth. I have travelled a lot of time in Bulgaria in Sandaski and Goce Delcev since there are located 2 of the factories for one of the companies I work for. And I know people from Bulgaria who are professional translators and very well educated who say that your artificial language is basic a Bulgaric dialect with some Serbs letters and words. They can understand nearly anything you say. As for the topic I was the one who started it in order to get some professional opinions from people expert in linguistic. As for Greek of Hellenic language I can easily read the Greek part of the Rosetta Stone. |
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Your level of discussion is showing who is not well educated here. But, since you know so much, I will just remind you something, not so old history. Greece name is first mentioned 180 years ago when your country was formed with the help for northern Europe countries, where you invited some kings because you have not your own. Since then, having nothing to lean for, you are making false history, and I must admit you have done it very well. The newest thing is that Cyril and Metodi, the inventors of the Cyrillic alphabet were Greeks, and just few years ago it was forbidden to give name Cyril or Metodi to your new born child.(you must be sick nation). You must know that the ethnic territory of Macedonia was divided in 1913 after the Second Balkan War. Greece, which borders was south of Olimp until than took one part (the biggest), Bulgaria took the second and Serbia the third. Since then our major have problems with Greece and Bulgaria started. Greece forced thousands of our relatives out of country and took their property houses land everything they had, and till present day you are denying it, and also the presence of the Macedonians in Greece. You started to rename all Macedonian names of the towns, villages, rivers, in Greeks names. Until 20 years ago your northern part was Northern Greek Province, not Macedonia. You have done everything to keep the truth hidden. But it is 21 century now, you can not hide anything anymore. It all started and the truth will come out for those who doesn't know. I don't need you to tell me who I'm. I know it, I know from my grandfather, he knows from his and so on. I can understand Bulgarians, Serbians, Croats, Bosnians, even Polish and Russian people, and so what. Our languages are related, starting for the Cyrillic alphabet. Does this mean that they are Macedonians. As I said before, I can read and understand the Macedonian text of the Rosetta Stone. Now what. Here are some links, Greek links, for the history and language of the Macedonians. http://www.florina.org/ http://www.florina.org/news/2006/january23_g.... |
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We were started to renaming cities? Do you know who Thessaloniki was? She was the sister of Megas Alexandros and is the second most populated city in Greece and of cource has a Greek Name. You call it Solun. In fact all the ancient Macedonian cities had greek names like all the Macedonian kings. You tried to rename them and give them Slav names.
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/200... One of the lies you are spreading is that Greece renamed its northest region to Macedonia. What a lie. North Greece consists of Ipiros, Macedonia and Thrace. Greece renamed the ministry of north Greece to Macedonia and Thrace. During the period you refer Slavs and especially Bulgarian tried to occupy by force Thessaloniki and were defeated. Your language and culture has nothing to do with Ancient Macedonians. You are Slavs and as your first president said you came to this region in the 6th century. http://www.youtube.com/watch... As far the florina.org this is the political party of your people in Greece, the rainbow, funded by the American George Soros. They took 6000 votes in Greek elections some years ago in cooperation with a Left political party in Greece under 0.1%. That's why they didn't participate in the last elections, because with these numbers they cannot establish a minority. So you can read the Ancient Macedonian language (what a joke) in Rosetta Stone and you don't know that Alexandros, Filippos, Aristotle, Thessaloniki are greek names? I suggest you visit any on line etymology dictionary and teach yourself. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php... http://mizian.com.ne.kr/englishwiz/library/na... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Alexander http://www.britishsurnames.co.uk/surnames/ALE... or http://historyofmacedonia.wordpress.com/2006/... All these show your knowledge and level. |
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Manolis, You actually admit that there are our people in Greece? You are in great danger my friend. Why don't you let them speak Macedonian then, and call themselves Macedonians? Let them speak freely and then you can count how many they are. It is 21st century Manolis, don't forget that. Was the Alexander Greek? Are you ancient Helens living now in Greece? You've got to be kidding. Your north part - Macedonian one, was populated with Greeks form Turkey,Asia, in our peoples homes, those that you forced out of the country and the others assimilated under constant repression or killed. Many other came to what is called now Greece from Romania. And Manolis don't send me Greek links about these issues, please. As for the names, I never said if they are Hellenic names or ancient Macedonian (can not be Greek that is for sure). The names and languages evolved through the centuries and it has nothing to do with the nationality. It is once again the way you present the ancient history. There was Hellenic period in the history of the world, but there was also Macedonian period, and these are two very different things. And this is what will come out in the next few years Manolis, liked you or not. And about your northern part and names again, we all have relatives there. So, what we are Manolis, Greeks?. We don't use Florina, we say Lerin. Don't you think it is related? But there is also Axios-Vardar, Edessa-Voden. But, it is not the point. The point is that if there are living people who are calling their town Lerin, you have no right to forbid them to use that name. But you did it, by force. Greece is only country in Europe together with Bulgaria braking the international conventions on civil rights and many others. And this will change Manolis, some things are lost forever but some not. |
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People with greek names speaking the greek language, writing in Greek, using coins written in Greek, living in cities with greek names, participating in Olympic games were only Greeks could participate, worshiping the greek Gods, spreading the Hellenism were not Greeks.
People with Bulgarian names, speaking a Bulgarian dialect, using different coins, leaving in cities with Slavic names, with Bulgarian national heroes, with no connection with Olympic games and the culture of ancient Greece want to be called the original what ... Your arguments are really strong... Now you learnt the etymology of the Macedonian Names you should have a lesson of Mathematics. (To add you some more knowledge hero, etymology and mathematics are words with greek origin) 6000 votes in cooperation with another greek communist party, is a very small number. Efi Sarri which is a ridiculus greek singer, or Levendis an unbeliavable guy of the party of the greek hunters have more votes than Rainbow. During the first year of Bulgaria's accession to the European Union a total of 12,411 foreign citizens applied for Bulgarian passport, more than half of them coming from FYROM and 1000 from Moldova. http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php... Of course there were SlavoBulgarians living in Greece the last ages. Now since there are 6000 (or about 25.000) of them I propose to rename all signs to Slavic, call Florina Lerin, Thessaloniki Solun and so on. I also propose to rename Instabul to Constantinoupoli since there are still some thousands of greeks there. Of cource you don't like greek links with your president saying that you don't have no connection with the Ancient Macedonians. That's why you erased many such videos from youtube. Or you don't like the etymology of the Ancient Macedonian names which were all of greek origin. Sure the 2 brilliant electrical engineers that discovered the Ancient Macedonian language from Rosetta Stone should enlighten the whole world. I propose you to write a letter to Harvard, to Cambridge and to all known univercities and inform the uneducated professors and students for your findings. However when you do this, please inform me I can you give you my email address in order to recieve the answers from them also. Now you told me I'm very afraid of the political party of Mr.Voskopoulos and the new revolution he will bring in Greece. His ideas are so funny, that even the Slav speaking people leaving in Greece which are estimated at about 25000 don't vote for him. |
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Nicholas Hammond, one of the world?s best authorities in Macedonian history, stated the following in an interview with the magazine ?Macedonian Echo? in February, 1993:
(Q): Who were the Macedonians ? (A): The name of the ancient Macedonians is derived from Macedon, who was the grandchild of Deukalion, the father of all Greeks. This we may infer from Hesiod?s genealogy. It may be proven that Macedonians spoke Greek since Macedon, the ancestor of Macedonians, was a brother of Magnes, the ancestor of Thessalians, who spoke Greek. (Q): Isn?t it true that Demosthenes called them ?barbarians?? (A): The speeches of Demosthenes, that deal with Philip as the enemy,should not be interpreted as an indication of the barbarian origins of Macedonians, but as an expression of conflict between two differentpolitical systems: the democratic system of the city-state (e.g.Athens) versus the monarchy (Kingdom of Macedonia). Personally, I believe that it is the common language, which gives one the opportunity to share a common civilization. Thus the language is the main factor that forms a national identity. (Q): What was the geographic location of the Macedonian Kingdom ?(A): It should be emphasized that Macedonia occupied only the area of Pieria, as is characteristically mentioned by Hesiod and Thucydides. It had to wait until Philip II ascended to the throne and expanded his kingdom by occupying, among others, the Thracians and the PAEONIANS. The Paeonians were allowed to keep their customs, which was a sign of liberal policy of Philip after each conquest. From Homer we learn that the Paeonians had their own language and that they fought on the side of the Trojans. THEY LIVED IN THE AREA AROUND SKOPJE, and this is the reason I suggested to Patrick Leigh Fermor to suggest in his article in the Independent the name of ?PAEONIA? AS THE MOST SUITABLE FOR SKOPJE. (Q): Given your experience as a liaison officer in German occupied Macedonia, do you believe that there may be a Macedonian nation ? (A): NO. Macedonia was under Ottoman occupation until the beginning of the 20th century. With the decline of the Ottoman empire, the Great Powers began to seek spheres of influence in the Balkans. The result was the emergence, during the latter part of the 19th century, of the Macedonian revolutionary movements.The Serbian IMRO, the Bulgarian VMRO and the Greek ?Ethniki Etairia? were formed with the support of certain Great Powers with the goal of organizing revolutionary units in the area. After the Balkan wars, the Macedonia (the geographical region) was divided between Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria. The movement for the creation of a Slav-controlled Greater Macedonia continued until 1934, when the Yugoslav government declared IMRO illegal, as a good will gesture to Greece. Therefore, given the struggle of the three ethnic groups (Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians) for the control of Macedonia AND THE ABSENCE OF ANY LOCAL NATIONAL MOVEMENT, we can talk of Macedonia only as a GEOGRAPHICAL ENTITY AND NOT as A NATION. |
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(Q): Tell us of your experience in Northern Greece during the German
occupation. (A): I fell with the parachute into Greece in 1943. Our goal was to cooperate as liaison officers with the Greek resistance against the Germans. Tito?s plan was to found a Greater Macedonia, that would include Greek Macedonia and South Yugoslavia; in practice it would be under Russian control. In January 1944, Tito formed a government and declared a federal Yugoslavia that would be composed of six different republics, the southernmost of which would be called Macedonia. It is here that the name Macedonia appears at the forefront of a plan of a Greater Macedonia against Greece. The same year,Tito?s guerillas invaded Greece three or four times and attempted to enlist men from slavophone villages in the area of Florina. Based on my knowledge, they were unsuccessful. (Q): Could you please explain, who are these slavophones you refer to ? (A): They are people who have been living in the area for centuries, perhaps from the time of the Slavic invasions of the 7th century. Nevertheless, they have been integrated with the population and consider themselves Greek. |
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