Why Do Most Dominicans Dislike Haitians?

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Two questions

1. Why Do Most Dominicans Dislike Haitians? Is it because so many are immigrating there?

2. Why Do Most Dominicans (who are obviously brown and dark skinned) deny the fact they are just as black as they are Hispanic?

I'm Haitian, Dominican, and Cuban and proud of it all. The Dominicans I know in New Orleans get along with me just fine and will tell you they are black or mixed race Hispanics but when I meet other Dominicans from out of the city its a different story. It's like I can't mention the fact that I'm Haitian or comment on the fact that they are dark skin Spanish speakers without them cursing me to death.

I understand you have that Spanish side, but you also have that black in you, why deny it? I never met one who would get mad if I called them white. NEVER.

Why the difference? Please no ignorant comments, just some sincere, honest replies.
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The differences between Dominicans and Haitians started on Feb 9th, 1822. When the Haitians invaded the recently independent Dominican state which gained it independence from Spain on Dec 1st 1821. That started the exile of thousand of white Dominicans who were being abused because of their color, there was rape, murder, and taking the land of any Dominican by force by Haitian soldiers, Even the Spanish language was prohibited, in other words, the Haitians tried to erase the Dominicans from the island. These days the problem is economical, the recent migration by millions of poor Haitians to Dominican Republic, is causing a huge burden on Dominican tax payers who have to share hospitals , school and the work place with millions of illegals .The uncontrolled migration is also bringing sickness like Colera and others, that were eradicated in the DR ,now they are back with Millions of poor Haitians, This is also causing widespread unemployment,lack of services and the more and more slums popping up all over the country, in Many cities like Santiago , its common to see Haitians women bathing naked on the street , which have anger the local Dominican communities.
And to answer the Color question... I have never heard any Dominican that is not proud of who he or she is... we love having black and Spanish blood, Africa in our color, hair, music, festivities and culture...We just don't like to be associated with the country that once tried to erase us from our own country, and now is saying that we are brothers. Would you consider a Sister or brother someone that once tried to kill you????...
Lets be realistic here...please
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The differences between Dominicans and Haitians started on Feb 9th, 1822. When the Haitians invaded the recently independent Dominican state which gained it independence from Spain on Dec 1st 1821. That started the exile of thousand of white Dominicans who were being abused because of their color, there was rape, murder, and taking the land of any Dominican by force by Haitian soldiers, Even the Spanish language was prohibited, in other words, the Haitians tried to erase the Dominicans from the island. These days the problem is economical, the recent migration by millions of poor Haitians to Dominican Republic, is causing a huge burden on Dominican tax payers who have to share hospitals , school and the work place with millions of illegals .The uncontrolled migration is also bringing sickness like Colera and others, that were eradicated in the DR ,now they are back with Millions of poor Haitians, This is also causing widespread unemployment,lack of services and the more and more slums popping up all over the country, in Many cities like Santiago , its common to see Haitians women bathing naked on the street , which have anger the local Dominican communities.
And to answer the Color question... I have never heard any Dominican that is not proud of who he or she is... we love having black and Spanish blood, Africa in our color, hair, music, festivities and culture...We just don't like to be associated with the country that once tried to erase us from our own country, and now is saying that we are brothers. Would you consider a Sister or brother someone that once tried to kill you????...
Lets be realistic here...please
Thanks for explaining everything to me and realistic I understand where you are coming from about the whole brothers/sisters and killing thing, but if you treat me good, I treat you good. There are some Dominicans I do consider family and some that actually are.
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you dont make any sence.... -.-
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you dont make any sence....-.-
Why even bother responding if you weren't going to give any helpful information?
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you dont make any sence....-.-
Why even bother responding if you weren't going to provide some helpful information?
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The differences between Dominicans and Haitians started on Feb 9th, 1822. When the Haitians invaded the recently independent Dominican state which gained it independence from Spain on Dec 1st 1821. That started the exile of thousand of white Dominicans who were being abused because of their color, there was rape, murder, and taking the land of any Dominican by force by Haitian soldiers, Even the Spanish language was prohibited, in other words, the Haitians tried to erase the Dominicans from the island. These days the problem is economical, the recent migration by millions of poor Haitians to Dominican Republic, is causing a huge burden on Dominican tax payers who have to share hospitals , school and the work place with millions of illegals .The uncontrolled migration is also bringing sickness like Colera and others, that were eradicated in the DR ,now they are back with Millions of poor Haitians, This is also causing widespread unemployment,lack of services and the more and more slums popping up all over the country, in Many cities like Santiago , its common to see Haitians women bathing naked on the street , which have anger the local Dominican communities.
And to answer the Color question... I have never heard any Dominican that is not proud of who he or she is... we love having black and Spanish blood, Africa in our color, hair, music, festivities and culture...We just don't like to be associated with the country that once tried to erase us from our own country, and now is saying that we are brothers. Would you consider a Sister or brother someone that once tried to kill you????...
Lets be realistic here...please
.... My Dominican brother you couldn't have said it any better, but is hard to explain or find a way to make people understand that we know what will happeng if we ever put our guards down.... Haitian people brag about what they did to us for 22 years (they claim 25) but as soon we say something is racial.., Haitian don't even get along with each other and I heard this out of their own mouth so why in the hell everyone is quick to point their finger at us when this subject is brought up... We don't go bothering them we just solving the problem they bringing to us by all mean necessary
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Christina,

Do your own research on the history of the island and the brainwashing of the Dominican poor. Please learn about Trujillo and balaguer. What Joel is repeating is propaganda and lies. 80 years later the lie becomes the truth.
Dominicans are not black they're Indio. Mwahahahaha
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As long as the united states still around dominican will always be around because we know how to do business to keep our country moving forward., y'all can call us all you want but at the end of the conversation Dominican will remain your superior
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STOP, kill Your Self.
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Haitians have identity Dominican don't have any.They fought and gained their independence.they fought the spanish to give the Dominicans their own independence,not only them.They also help many other latine american countries as well,in my view Haitians should have more to talk about their proud history than any dominicans,in my view as black manI'm proud of my Hatians brothers.The Haitians as far as I'm concern.Domnicans have no identities.
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Christina wrote:
Two questions
1. Why Do Most Dominicans Dislike Haitians? Is it because so many are immigrating there?
2. Why Do Most Dominicans (who are obviously brown and dark skinned) deny the fact they are just as black as they are Hispanic?
I'm Haitian, Dominican, and Cuban and proud of it all. The Dominicans I know in New Orleans get along with me just fine and will tell you they are black or mixed race Hispanics but when I meet other Dominicans from out of the city its a different story. It's like I can't mention the fact that I'm Haitian or comment on the fact that they are dark skin Spanish speakers without them cursing me to death.
I understand you have that Spanish side, but you also have that black in you, why deny it? I never met one who would get mad if I called them white. NEVER.
Why the difference? Please no ignorant comments, just some sincere, honest replies.
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I want to know this as well, in Miami everyone dislikes haitians and my friend who is part haitian and living in sunrise is embarrassed to tell people he is part haitian...I dont want to ask him why because he may not want to talk about it maybe he had a really bad experience when he told someone he was haitian in the past, also I remember in Miami going to high school people would always say that haitians eat cats and things like that...
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I don't know why Dominican don't just consider themself as haitian and call it a day cause that's what they all are just saying was born and raise in Jamaica really don't see the difference we all are di same anyways black that is or illegal immigrants to be exact
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I may be mistaken but Haitians fought against the French (Whites) to gain their independance against years of slavery and abuse in their own country, Also I do recall a story being told about a Dominican leader banishing haitians, I found this excerpt written by a Puerto Rican Professor. It is a bit long.
It seemed as if the struggles of the 19th century were a thing of the past; gone and forgotten. Trujillo, however, felt differently. With the definition of a clear border between the two nations, Trujillo sought to increase his control over the Dominican Republic. The border did not represent for him the limit to his authority, but rather the beginning of his domain. As a result, Trujillo made of the issue of a fixed border one of his top foreign policy priorities. The aftermath of the border treaty, however, infuriated Trujillo. He had mistakenly thought that a fixed border would have meant a sealed border. That was not the case. The border treaty was a diplomatic agreement; for the peoples living on both sides of the newly-established border, little had changed. For decades after the end of the Haitian-Dominican wars, the border region had been a place where the authority of the state had been very weak. This led to the development of a mixed population of arrayanos, Haitian-Dominicans who spoke Spanish and Creole, engaged in trade and contraband across the border, and did not owe allegiance to any state in particular (Baud 1993a, 1993b). An inspection trip along the border directed by Trujillo himself confirmed the weakness of the Dominican state in the sparsely-populated border region (Cornielle 1980).
Trujillo's response was swift and brutal. In October, 1937, he ordered the military to kill all Haitians in the Dominican Republic. Thousands of Haitians were killed in a few days using machetes and clubs, so as to give the impression that it was the uncoordinated action of Dominican farmers who had decided to settle old scores. Estimates on the number of dead have ranged from several hundred to 26,000, and Haitians were killed as far away as Santiago and Saman (Vega 1988, 386-387). Only those working in American-owned sugar plantations were spared. The reasons behind Trujillo's decision to carry out the 1937 massacre were never clear (Vega 1988, chap. 10).
After the 1937 massacre, Trujillo initiated a well-publicized program of "Dominicanization" of the border region. Development programs were implemented and white immigrants were encouraged to settle in the region. Trujillo's aim was to create a socio-cultural barrier against Haitian influences to reinforce the military action of 1937. As part of this plan, the Dominican population was subjected to a constant barrage of anti-Haitian propaganda. Haiti and Haitians went from being good neighbors to becoming the scapegoats of Dominican society
I am Haitian American (with other nationalities non of Spanish decent)but it is all facinating and just that...History. Should I as a Black women hate whites because of Slavery. Move on, life is to short and learn from the errors of our ancestors.
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I am Dominican and I'm proud of it. When a Haitian comes up to me I'm not mean I am nice but they mess with me and I make sure that I treat them as bad as our ancestors because when your mad the past does come back and bit you in the @ss. What I'm trying to say is that Dominicans and Haitians get along just like everyone in the world those and now one is going to change that because we wouldn't be human if it weren't for that for example: High school girls! I love my country so much and I get it why Dominicans are mad at the Haitians for bringing diseases in to the country but we are trying our best to help them and no one sees that we are helping they just see the opposite.
So to answer your question Dominicans and Haitians have a lot of history and hopefully we will ALL get past that and be at least nice to each other if not live as one.It all depends on the person in charge.
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go to google and find out why some dr are racist toward haitian because some of yall just dont know the facts
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and im also dr and you have some dr who think they are white other who think they are native and the black just dont accept the fat that they are african and the whiter you are the better you are then the rest and that stuff happen a long time ago who still keep grudges wen you weren't even alive back then im farwell i just cant deal with all that pity stuff.
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So what part of my statement was propaganda?? The Invasion of 1822??? the exile of white Dominicans?? prohibition of the Spanish language in School?? The abuses???.. Come on tell me!!. The migration of millions of illegals and all the problems it brought??... I guess you just don't like the Dominican point of view of seeing ourselves as Dominicans first and not a color, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO DR ,IN THE WHITE MINORITY, FIND A WHITE DOMINICAN THAT CALL HIMSELF AN EUROPEAN, or maybe you don't like the Spanish court way of the 1600s,describing the color of the skin of the Mulattos as "of Indian color" which meant Brown,just like the Indians, which started in the early 1600s when the Spanish soldiers were having children with the black women, the court used to write " De color Indio".. And now the insecure racist blacks both outside the DR and Inside use it to say that Dominicans say on papers that they are Indians..hahaha.. Read history and learn from where that expression come from, it have nothing to do with being of Indian heritage , The spanish were describing the color of skin , not a DNA heritage..hahaha.
And stop this stupid racist idea that Dominicans HATE HAITIANS, we are the country that help Haiti the most, we accept millions of Illegals, they get free healthcare, free education, Jobs, services , and even identity that their own Nation deny to them. Go ahead, go to the DR and ask any illegal Haitian , where would they rather be at??? Haiti or Dominicana?? Go ask them, which country treat them better.
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I may be mistaken but Haitians fought against the French (Whites) to gain their independance against years of slavery and abuse in their own country, Also I do recall a story being told about a Dominican leader banishing haitians, I found this excerpt written by a Puerto Rican Professor. It is a bit long.
It seemed as if the struggles of the 19th century were a thing of the past; gone and forgotten. Trujillo, however, felt differently. With the definition of a clear border between the two nations, Trujillo sought to increase his control over the Dominican Republic. The border did not represent for him the limit to his authority, but rather the beginning of his domain. As a result, Trujillo made of the issue of a fixed border one of his top foreign policy priorities. The aftermath of the border treaty, however, infuriated Trujillo. He had mistakenly thought that a fixed border would have meant a sealed border. That was not the case. The border treaty was a diplomatic agreement; for the peoples living on both sides of the newly-established border, little had changed. For decades after the end of the Haitian-Dominican wars, the border region had been a place where the authority of the state had been very weak. This led to the development of a mixed population of arrayanos, Haitian-Dominicans who spoke Spanish and Creole, engaged in trade and contraband across the border, and did not owe allegiance to any state in particular (Baud 1993a, 1993b). An inspection trip along the border directed by Trujillo himself confirmed the weakness of the Dominican state in the sparsely-populated border region (Cornielle 1980).
Trujillo's response was swift and brutal. In October, 1937, he ordered the military to kill all Haitians in the Dominican Republic. Thousands of Haitians were killed in a few days using machetes and clubs, so as to give the impression that it was the uncoordinated action of Dominican farmers who had decided to settle old scores. Estimates on the number of dead have ranged from several hundred to 26,000, and Haitians were killed as far away as Santiago and Saman (Vega 1988, 386-387). Only those working in American-owned sugar plantations were spared. The reasons behind Trujillo's decision to carry out the 1937 massacre were never clear (Vega 1988, chap. 10).
After the 1937 massacre, Trujillo initiated a well-publicized program of "Dominicanization" of the border region. Development programs were implemented and white immigrants were encouraged to settle in the region. Trujillo's aim was to create a socio-cultural barrier against Haitian influences to reinforce the military action of 1937. As part of this plan, the Dominican population was subjected to a constant barrage of anti-Haitian propaganda. Haiti and Haitians went from being good neighbors to becoming the scapegoats of Dominican society
I am Haitian American (with other nationalities non of Spanish decent)but it is all facinating and just that...History. Should I as a Black women hate whites because of Slavery. Move on, life is to short and learn from the errors of our ancestors.
The good neighbor relationships between Dominicans and Haitians ended in February 9th 1822, when after the Dominicans gained their independence from Spain in December 1st 1821, in a peaceful signing of freedom , and with no Army to defend the new state, we were invaded by over 5,0000 Haitians troops , The same army that years earlier killed thousands of whites and Mulattos in Haiti, and thought that they could erase our culture from the island, I guess it did not work
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As a Dominican, I can tell you that Dominicans are the most racist people, WE HATE ALL HAITIANS.. and here is the prove:
We help over 50,000 Illegal Haitians women give birth in Dominicans hospital for FREE every year.
We help over 200,000 Illegal Haitians in our hospital receive operations, treatments and free dental health every year.
We provide free education to ALL illegal Haitians children and many more that cross the border to study in School in Pedernales, and other border towns daily.
We built as a $30,000,000 dollars university in Haiti payed by Dominicans tax payers as friendship.
The government hire thousands o illegals to work on construction and other jobs.
The DR is constantly talking on behalf of Haiti in Europe, US and other places to help bring tourist, investments and so on.
We send hundred of mobile kitchens and clinics to Haiti to help the poor.
And everywhere in the internet, newspapers and forums, we find Haitians, hating on Dominicans, and accusing of of racism and every Haitian problem, Its time for you people to stop using the racial card and start taking pride in your country and start working on it, Instead of putting down the country that HELP you the most.
These people are like the many people that migrate to the US and are always hating the American government, if you don't like it leave, If Haitians are being abuse, hate it and discriminated in DR, why do they keep crossing by the millions???.

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