Good scientific explanation as to why the pig is Haraam (Prohibited)

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Jim

Saudi Arabia

#1 Mar 20, 2006
Good scientific explanation as to why the pig is Haraam

Bob: Tell me why is it that a Muslim is very particular about the words Halaal and Haraam; what do they mean?

Yunus: That which is permissible is termed Halaal and that which is not permissible is termed Haraam and it is the Quran which draws the distinction between the two.

Bob: Can you give me an example?

Yunus: Yes, Islam has prohibited blood of any type. You will agree that a chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an abundance of uric acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious to human health.

Bob: You're right about the toxic nature of uric acid, in the human being it is excreted as a waste product and in fact we are told that 98%of the body's uric acid is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed through urination.

Yunus: Now I think that you'll appreciate the special prescribed method of animal slaughter in Islam.

Bob: What do you mean?

Yunus: You see, the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of the 'Almighty', makes an incision through the jugular veins, leaving all other veins and organs intact.

Bob: I see, this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of blood from the body, rather than an injury to any vital organ.

Yunus: Yes, were the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the brain crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its blood would congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate the flesh. This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and contaminated with uric acid and therefore very poisonous; only today did our dieticians realize such a thing.

Bob: Again, while on the topic of food; Why do Muslims condemn the eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine?

Yunus: Actually, apart from the Quran prohibiting the consumption of pork, bacon (pig flesh); in fact the Bible too in Leviticus chapter 11,verse 8, regarding swine it says, "of their flesh (of the swine, another name for pig) shall you not eat, and of their carcass you shall not touch; they are unclean to you." Further, did you know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it does not have a neck; that is according to its natural anatomy.

A Muslim reasons that if the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human consumption the Creator would have provided it with a neck. Nonetheless, all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about the harmful effects of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it pork chops, ham,bacon.

Bob: The medical science finds that there is a risk for various diseases the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and potential diseases.

Yunus: Yes, even apart from that, as we talked about uric acid content in the blood, it is important to note that the pig's biochemistry excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content, the remaining 98% remains as an integral part of the body.

Please forward to others..........it may answer some of their questions especially when the children ask.
Geert

Gent, Belgium

#2 Mar 20, 2006
Well,

What a nice UNSCIENTIFIC piece you have there, Jim

Read this PDF:
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/54/3/603

It states in its conlusion:
"Evidences of the presence of combined uric acid have been
found in each species of animal studied. The quantity in beef
blood far exceeds that in any other animal blood so far analyzed.
Next in quantity would appear to be that of human blood. Only
traces were discernible by this procedure in the blood of the horse, sheep, pig, dog, or chicken."

So, eat no beef, i'd say!

Dear, Dear, this forum has been a true source of scientific NONSENSE up 'til now.
Danetoo

UK

#3 Mar 20, 2006
Geert wrote:
Well,

What a nice UNSCIENTIFIC piece you have there, Jim

Read this PDF:
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/54/3/603

It states in its conlusion:
"Evidences of the presence of combined uric acid have been
found in each species of animal studied. The quantity in beef
blood far exceeds that in any other animal blood so far analyzed.
Next in quantity would appear to be that of human blood. Only
traces were discernible by this procedure in the blood of the horse, sheep, pig, dog, or chicken."

So, eat no beef, i'd say!

Dear, Dear, this forum has been a true source of scientific NONSENSE up 'til now.
LOL ... and why on earth we need a "peter said" ... and then "paul answered" for that one ...

I shall still eat ...(rarely, but still) my danish bacon ... and the occasional pork chop and pork loin with crackling (christmas only ~G~)...(although I do try to eat organic)

Strangely .. just as an aside, I know in Israel (NO I AM NOT JEWISH!!!)... the Muslim (halal) butchers sell so called "white meat" ... and I always wondered what that was ... it is indeed ---- you guessed it --- pork!!!~L~... so it seems, as long as it sells, and is not called *pork*, it is OK with Muslims
fathima

UK

#4 Apr 13, 2006
i think ur statement is wrong regarding the message posted by danetoo
'Strangely .. just as an aside, I know in Israel (NO I AM NOT JEWISH!!!)... the Muslim (halal) butchers sell so called "white meat" ... and I always wondered what that was ... it is indeed ---- you guessed it --- pork!!!~L~... so it seems, as long as it sells, and is not called *pork*, it is OK with Muslims '

Jew are the people who call white meat pork not muslims, as it is israel mostly populated with jews. these muslims may eat pork not knowing it is harram to eat as it harms the body(poisinous uric acid)
Annonymous

Brockton, MA

#5 Apr 26, 2006
Geert wrote:
Well,
What a nice UNSCIENTIFIC piece you have there, Jim
Read this PDF:
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/54/3/603
Geert wrote:
You are suggesting to reading a document of 1922.. I am not saying it wrong, I am saying isn't there any recent documents about this study
It states in its conlusion:
"Evidences of the presence of combined uric acid have been
found in each species of animal studied. The quantity in beef
blood far exceeds that in any other animal blood so far analyzed.
Next in quantity would appear to be that of human blood. Only
traces were discernible by this procedure in the blood of the horse, sheep, pig, dog, or chicken."
So, eat no beef, i'd say!
Dear, Dear, this forum has been a true source of scientific NONSENSE up 'til now.
Very nice explanation of you.
Orginal posting was trying to say, pig keep 98% of its uric acid in its body while other animals not.
At the end.. an unsloughtered pig should have more uric acid by math.
and sloughtered animal should have less.
Cydney

Carrollton, TX

#6 May 15, 2006
Does any one know how the pig came into existance? I once read that it was a mix of the rat and another animal. Also, I read that the pig was developed to clean the streets of Babylon. So the pig ate the dead bodies polluting the streets and this is the main reason why we should not consume pigs or touch their flesh. I have not seen any other literature provide this information regarding the pig.
Mr_Logic

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#7 May 15, 2006
thats new info cydney.
elewm

Gadsden, AL

#8 May 15, 2006
Cydney wrote:
Does any one know how the pig came into existance? I once read that it was a mix of the rat and another animal.…...
I’m starting to feel very sorry for the pig. They are the smartest animal next to humans.

They are NOT a mix of rat and something else. They were not bred by humans, the are naturally occurring animals that existed in the wild long before humans domesticated some as farm animals.

Many of the laws governing food and other thinks like not planting mixed crops in a field and not cutting hair at the temples and not trimming beards at the sides had specific meaning at one time in history. The reason for these laws were to distinguish the Jews from pagan people and to teach the Jews to not worship the pagan gods. These restrictions specifically attack things that were pagan. Eating pigs was outlawed because worshipers of certain pagan god believed that pigs were favored by their god. So they sacrificed pigs, feasted on them and elevated them to a high level of significance. So God in Leviticus told the Jews to not eat pig like the pagans did. The same thing went for cutting hair at the temples and cutting beards on the side. Those laws were to stop people from cutting their hair and beards in the style that Egyptian worshipers of a particular god used to do. I do not recall the name of the pagan god they worshipped. Have you seen the drawings of ancient Egyptians with their hair but in and angular style and a rectangular beard? They were followers of the pagan god. So Jews were told to not look like people who worshiped that god.

There is nothing wrong with pigs. They are good animals. By the time of Jesus the restrictions were no longer needed because the Jews had long since stopped all pagan worship. This is why Jesus said that all things made by God were now good for people to eat.

Here’s some info to show that pigs were not bred to eat humans who died in the street but are instead a very old animal that occurred in nature.

http://www.usfca.edu/westciv/Mesochro.html

7000 At Jarmo, Mesopotamia, oldest known permanent settlement: crude mud houses, wheat grown from seed, herds of goats, sheep, and pigs.

http://www.askthemeatman.com/history_of_pigs....
“The hog (pig) has existed for at least 45 million years as a stocky, round bodied, flat snouted creature . They come in all sizes from the small pygmy hog ( 1 foot tall at the shoulder and 13 pounds) to the giant forest hog (40 inches at the shoulder and 300 pounds). Of course, domestic hogs can be much heavier (record is over 2500 pounds).
The first domestication of the pig is thought to have taken place in China around 4900 BC and may have occurred as early as 10,000 BC in Thailand. Many breeds were developed especially in Europe and they became important farm animals. The first pigs in the United States were brought by Polynesians to Hawaii around 1000 AD. and by the Spanish in the Southeast in the early sixteenth century. Average lifespan in the wild is 15-20 years but may be up to 27 years. Litter size varies from 2-12 piglets. Domestic pigs have much larger litters with one of 37 recorded. Hair varies from very bristles and practically hairless to the curly woolly coats of Ecuador herd hogs. Colors vary too, from the white or black solid and many colors in-between to the rust colored with white and black highlights of the Red River Hog. Groups pf pigs are called herds or sounders. The basic sounder is made up of females and their babies from this year and from the previous year.“

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elewm

Gadsden, AL

#10 May 15, 2006
Team America wrote:
Hi ele, back in a couple hours
hello!!
Sunshine

Frankston, Australia

#11 May 15, 2006
elewm wrote:
<quoted text>
hello!!
Hi Ele, how are you.
elewm

Gadsden, AL

#12 May 15, 2006
Sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Ele, how are you.
I'm doing fine. Have been naping since I got home from work. Had to wake up to go to bed... lol But thought I'd drive myself nuts on here first. lol

How are you doing?
Sunshine

Frankston, Australia

#13 May 15, 2006
elewm wrote:
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I'm doing fine. Have been naping since I got home from work. Had to wake up to go to bed... lol But thought I'd drive myself nuts on here first. lol
How are you doing?
I'm doing fine. It's been a shock some of the things that have happened on this forum. Is this normal.
elewm

Gadsden, AL

#14 May 15, 2006
Sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>I'm doing fine. It's been a shock some of the things that have happened on this forum. Is this normal.
The personal stuff on this forum is different then what I have seen on other forums. I've never seen people get this ugly across the entire forum. In my experience maybe one person would, but they would get booted from the forum as soon as they started to cause trouble.
elewm

Gadsden, AL

#16 May 15, 2006
Team America wrote:
<quoted text>Because TRUE takes advantage
True :)
Sunshine

Frankston, Australia

#17 May 15, 2006
elewm wrote:
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The personal stuff on this forum is different then what I have seen on other forums. I've never seen people get this ugly across the entire forum. In my experience maybe one person would, but they would get booted from the forum as soon as they started to cause trouble.
That's interesting. What subjects do you usually discuss on the other forums or is it because topix doesn't throw them off immediately.
canada

Cambridge, MA

#18 May 15, 2006
Prophet Mohammad role model for Christians: British scholar
Regional-Denmark, Religion, 5/12/2006

Prophet Mohammad is also a role model for Christians said yesterday a British religious scholar in Copenhagen in his speech at a one-day international seminar on the personality of Prophet Mohammad, hosted jointly by the Copenhagen-based Imam Ali Islamic Center and the Iranian Embassy.

"Many aspects of Mohammad's life can be example to others, especially Christians," said Chris Hewer of St. Ethelburga's Center for Reconciliation and Peace which is headquartered in the United Kingdom.

Hewer pointed to the Prophet's characteristics like "kindness, generosity, simplicity and mercy" as reasons to use the prophet as an personal example.

The former Advisor on Inter-Faith Relations to the Bishop of Birmingham hailed Prophet Mohammad as "a statesman and political leader who always consulted people, especially women and elderly." The British religious expert reiterated that the "great contribution of the Prophet was his emphasis on the importance of family."
TulipZ

Washington, DC

#19 May 16, 2006
elewm wrote:
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The personal stuff on this forum is different then what I have seen on other forums. I've never seen people get this ugly across the entire forum. In my experience maybe one person would, but they would get booted from the forum as soon as they started to cause trouble.
Yep, I havn't figured out how some have been able to stay on here with all this personal stuff exposed. I find it a CRIME. And may god help who ever dares do it again.
But one thing to keep in mind: This is a free Danish forum! LOL!!
WCAG

Phillipsburg, NJ

#20 May 16, 2006
I think it is ok that people can express themselves freely.. As long as they keep profanity out.. And threats.. This is how we learn about each other... I like it..
TulipZ wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, I havn't figured out how some have been able to stay on here with all this personal stuff exposed. I find it a CRIME. And may god help who ever dares do it again.
But one thing to keep in mind: This is a free Danish forum! LOL!!
David

London, UK

#21 May 16, 2006
WCAG wrote:
I think it is ok that people can express themselves freely.. As long as they keep profanity out.. And threats.. This is how we learn about each other... I like it..
<quoted text>
WCAG, profanity is just another form of expression, they are just words...
WCAG

Phillipsburg, NJ

#22 May 16, 2006
True David but they can be rude and offensive words so it makes them slightly different than just expression..
David wrote:
<quoted text>
WCAG, profanity is just another form of expression, they are just words...

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