Who are modern todays Greeks?

[Rachel]

Blackadder wrote:

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As long as you Greeks are around, I will confront your racism.

Confront it with what?

Your own rampant racisim, how clever of you.

You sloped off again, to avoid answering the difficult questions that you yourself poised.

What turkish slippeiness will you resort to next?

R

[Nick the Greek]

Proud to be Turkish wrote:

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It's funny that now you brought your own doom by sinking yourself in billions of dollars in debt. Ha ha!

Funny but only to a Monkey, right! It's easy to hoax a Monkey, right Abdul!

Like the Bucharest Treaty expiring in 2013 was a hoax...so is Makedonism!

Like the Rosetta Stone Middle Text (demotic-Egyptian) Inscriptions being the long lost language of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs was a hoax...so is Makedonism!

Like Alexander the Great being the first Czar of the Slavs was a hoax...so is Makedonism!

Like Macedonians are different to Greeks is a hoax...so is Makedonism!

Like so many of FYRoM's Makedonist Theories Ideas and Conjectures are ultimately proven to be just hoaxes, designed primarily to belittle Hellenism and ridicule, humiliate the Greek-Hellenic peoples...the people there still cling-on to the remotest possibility they can still be Macedonians in some form or another, and ofcourse they can be, but only in the geographic sense.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Macedonians geographically, on the basis of geography only. Today, the term Macedonia(n) is applicable to more than one country. Macedonia(n) is a geographic term not ethnic or racial, and certainly not national term.

It's all a hoax, Macedonians are Greeks, they cannot possibly be anything else because of the name.

Macedonia(n) is a Greek-Hellenic name derived from the Hellenic language.

Greek speaking Hellenic people created the Macedonian name first using their own native-indigenous Macedonian tongue which was a dialect of the Greek-Hellenic language.

It's all a hoax! Slavic speaking South-Slavs cannot possibly be Macedonians, they are a different race, they are foreign to the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula!

The best outcome would be for FYRoM to admit that they Slavs first and foremost, and then stipulate they are Macedonians too, on the basis they live on geographic-Macedonian turf.

Only in this way can FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs share in the history and the heritage of this region, acknowledging first and foremost that it is the Greeks who hold primacy in hierarchical terms to the ancient-Macedonian legacy.

[Blackadder]

Rachel wrote:

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Confront it with what?
Your own rampant racisim, how clever of you.
You sloped off again, to avoid answering the difficult questions that you yourself poised.
What turkish slippeiness will you resort to next?
R

Confront you with FACTS, you racist baboon.

[Guy]

Nick the Greek wrote:

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Funny but only to a Monkey, right! It's easy to hoax a Monkey, right Abdul!
Like the Bucharest Treaty expiring in 2013 was a hoax...so is Makedonism!
Like the Rosetta Stone Middle Text (demotic-Egyptian) Inscriptions being the long lost language of FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs was a hoax...so is Makedonism!
Like Alexander the Great being the first Czar of the Slavs was a hoax...so is Makedonism!
Like Macedonians are different to Greeks is a hoax...so is Makedonism!
Like so many of FYRoM's Makedonist Theories Ideas and Conjectures are ultimately proven to be just hoaxes, designed primarily to belittle Hellenism and ridicule, humiliate the Greek-Hellenic peoples...the people there still cling-on to the remotest possibility they can still be Macedonians in some form or another, and ofcourse they can be, but only in the geographic sense.
FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Macedonians geographically, on the basis of geography only. Today, the term Macedonia(n) is applicable to more than one country. Macedonia(n) is a geographic term not ethnic or racial, and certainly not national term.
It's all a hoax, Macedonians are Greeks, they cannot possibly be anything else because of the name.
Macedonia(n) is a Greek-Hellenic name derived from the Hellenic language.
Greek speaking Hellenic people created the Macedonian name first using their own native-indigenous Macedonian tongue which was a dialect of the Greek-Hellenic language.
It's all a hoax! Slavic speaking South-Slavs cannot possibly be Macedonians, they are a different race, they are foreign to the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula!
The best outcome would be for FYRoM to admit that they Slavs first and foremost, and then stipulate they are Macedonians too, on the basis they live on geographic-Macedonian turf.
Only in this way can FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs share in the history and the heritage of this region, acknowledging first and foremost that it is the Greeks who hold primacy in hierarchical terms to the ancient-Macedonian legacy.

A serious question,Why do you choose not to live here

[Greek Aussie]

Guy wrote:

<quoted text>A serious question,Why do you choose not to live here

Hi Guy...

As much as I love Cyprus, I love Australia a million times more!

I'm a Sydney boy.. These are the streets I grew up on...

However, a free and united Cyprus I'd still like to see....

I will always have a soft spot for Cyprus...

[Nick the Greek]

Proud to be Turkish wrote:

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1...Buuuuullshiiiiit! You are all dying.
2...Russians are after you for the loans you all got from them.
3...EU wants you out of Eurozone.
4...Best you can come up with; calling me names and reciting your crappy history.
5...You all are fading away. Serves you right.
6...Hell with all of you.
7...And, yes it's funny as hell.

1...Crazy Monkey!
2...Crazy Abdul-Monkey!
3...Crazy Turkistani-Monkey!
4...Crazy, just Crazy Monkey Chants!
5...Crazy little Abdul!
6...One Crazy Abdul, right!
7...Funny but only to a Turkistani Monkey-Abdul!

Crazy Islamo-Abdul!

[Nick the Greek]

Guy wrote:

<quoted text>A serious question,Why do you choose not to live here

I am not from Cyprus...Cyprus is not my home!

[Nick the Greek]

Proud Turkistani Abdul-Monkey wrote:

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Lol. You are a loser. Retarded as well.

Turkistani Abdul-Monkey!

Sari-Monkey!

[Vivek Golikeri]

Whether today's Greeks are truly Greek or not all depends on what you mean by Greek. They are certainly not the people of Socrates' day, though they may consider themselves the heirs of those Greeks. Basically they are Mediterranean Christian Europeans whose language and culture are derived from those of ancient Greeks, and modified by Mid-Eastern influences due to long Ottoman rule.

[MKz6]

Vivek Golikeri wrote:

Whether today's Greeks are truly Greek or not all depends on what you mean by Greek. They are certainly not the people of Socrates' day, though they may consider themselves the heirs of those Greeks. Basically they are Mediterranean Christian Europeans whose language and culture are derived from those of ancient Greeks, and modified by Mid-Eastern influences due to long Ottoman rule.

my friend lets take the subject ,logiclly.How you learn your language ?from your mother and your father so the today greeks learn the language from father to son up to socrates or plato.is no other way ,and by the way Greek language the one on the books has nothing of ottoman ,people came from Anatolia and use some turkish words which are NOT valid in the Greek lexicon.Karpuzi is ydropepon in greek but they use karpuzi,and some other words,also Italian or french words are use too,English uses 50000 greek origin words .,Greeks were mixed with other nations is not a secret ,who is not mixed anyway? no one but wher your heart belongs thats your counrty ,and the people of Greece believe in ancient Greek ideas ,so they are Greeks more than any other nation around .I just see a report i dont know if is true,Turkish president Edrogan clams the olympic flame should come from Turke not Greece if he really said that he needs medical treatment the soon as possible /.Greeks are on the defence because some people try to claim greek ancient achivements .you cant blaim them for that whrn Slavs claim alexander the Great ,and many other cases /.nice laking to you i like your post has true facts /.

[Nick the Greek]

Vivek Golikeri wrote:

Whether today's Greeks are truly Greek or not all depends on what you mean by Greek. They are certainly not the people of Socrates' day, though they may consider themselves the heirs of those Greeks. Basically they are Mediterranean Christian Europeans whose language and culture are derived from those of ancient Greeks, and modified by Mid-Eastern influences due to long Ottoman rule.

I know You Joe!

Think for one moment now Joe...Today Jews-Hebrews-Isaelites, are they the modern descendents of the ancient-Hebrews ???

The Answer is: Yes ofcourse, right Joe!

Now apply the same criteria to todays Greeks-Hellenes-Yunans.

Who are the Jews today...and who are the Greeks today ???

You know the answer now Joe! right!

[Nick the Greek]

For Joe: Posting under the Vivek label...

A Nation of peoples is made-up from various ethnicities sometimes at ease with each-other, speaking the same language and following the same culture...uniformed ways and traditions from since they have known each-other, or from since the state in which they live-in was set-up.

A Nation of peoples can absorbe outsider exogenous foreign elements into it's fold and convert them ((assimilate)(acculturate)) over time...that time-period is known to us, it hovers around the 200 year mark or 8 generations. We know this from the Bulgarians, a modern-Nation of Slavic speakers but their ancestral-forebears were neither Slavs nor Slavic speakers.

Indeed and in-fact, the proto-Bulgar tribes that descended into the Greco-Roman world at the top-end of the 6th Century AD, were outsiders, exogenous foreigners, alien to the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula.

From since the eastern-asiatic Avaro-Hunnic tribes, supreme overlords over the Slavic tribes, were ushered into Europe and settled into the Byzantine Empire, the Greco-Roman world, new Nations formed with the Slavic element ascendant above all the other ethnic-racial and cultural-linguistic groups.

Those despotic-overlords, those Avaro-Huns were small in number and finally succumbed to the more numerous Slavic tribes they subjugated, taking-on their tribal-names, their language, and their ways and traditions...it is called assimilation and acculteration and it usually takes around 200 years or 8 generations to take effect.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs can be visualized playing their part in that scenario. Their ancestors may have included eastern-asiatic Avaro-Hunnic peoples, certainly included Slavic-peoples but Macedonian-peoples...I doubt it! and I shall explain why ?

continued......

[Nick the Greek]

Macedonians at that time...during the Avaro-Hunnic, Bulgaro-Slavic Incursions of the 6th Century AD were Greek speaking Greco-Roman peoples calling themselves (Romioi) Romans, also known as Byzantine Eastern-Romans. Once settled into the Empire, that Melieu of exogenous Avaro-Hunnic, Bulgaro-Slavic tribes may have assimilated and acculterated some Greco-Romans from the Macedonian-region of the Byzantine-Empire.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs may carry in their biological make-up, that same genetic stuff as those Greco-Romans. If that were proven, that would make them partially Greek. These implications are significant because it would entitle them to claim partial-Greek ancestry!

From the 6th Century AD, assimilation and acculteration traversed all ways...that Slavic melieu which ultimately, over time absorbed those Avaro-Hunnic and Bulgar elements may have also absorbed Greco-Roman elements from the Macedonian-region of the Byzantine-Empire.

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Avar ancestry but they dont!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Hunnic ancestry but they dont!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Bulgar ancestry but they dont!

FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs could claim Slavic ancestry but they prefer to claim Macedonian ancestry with it, mixing and matching Slavic-things with Macedonian-things.

From the 6th Century AD, assimilation and acculteration made Avaro-Hunnic people Slavic, made proto-Bulgar people Slavic, it may have also made Greco-Roman people from the Macedonian region Slavic, this is how it works. Conversley, those assimilation and acculteration processes worked visa-versa. That Greco-Roman melieu may have absorbed elements from that Slavic melieu and made them Byzantines, this is how it works.

FYRoM's political elite were Silly to have brought ancient-history into the equation, the history debate they were always destined to lose, a Mistake that ultimately proved to be their Nemesis. The Macedonian name they covet so much they can only use in the geographic context...nothing more than this.

The Macedonian name is best left in the Greek domain and the Macedonian-Identity best left to Greek-heritage...these are the basics and the fundamentals which cannot be changed. Attempting to alter these factors simply edges FYRoM closer to the abyss.

FYRoM is a Slavic country with partial-Greek connections. The peoples there could claim Byzantine-heritage, traceable back to the 6th Century AD. FYRoM is Slavic but Macedonian too, in the geographic context...nothing more than this.

[Guy]

Greek Aussie wrote:

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Hi Guy...
As much as I love Cyprus, I love Australia a million times more!
I'm a Sydney boy.. These are the streets I grew up on...
However, a free and united Cyprus I'd still like to see....
I will always have a soft spot for Cyprus...

Respect...

Doctors in Australia have diagnosed a new condition which they are calling "Olympic finger". Symptoms are pain in the index finger caused by repeated scrolling down to see Australia's medal tally. He He.

[Mkz6]

London Observer wrote:

MKZ6 @
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Greeks can come to USA without Visa.
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That shows how much you care about your beloved country called Greece which was named by Great POWERS not long ago.
Sooner or later you will have to join up with your Orthodox brother in Russia and Serbia,
Turkey should have vetoed Greek re-entry to NATO.
You will always need the protection others, and be ruled by other nations.
Look at the history, Turks are the RULERS, Greeks are ruled by others.
Even today 21st century, Greece, South Cyprus both run by EU, because you are not capable to run a successful country. SHAMELESS people.

Re L observer I know fkn history better than a history professor I'n istsnbul university .don't go there .what the F you are. Talking about we beat the strongest empire I'n the known world the Persian .do you know that ?what Alexander was Russian slavobulgarian,give a brake .Greece needs protection?re karpuz head we fought italy and germany I'n 1940 Tutkey got scare ask
Inonu .Cyprus re if Greece was loose no TRNC today al your men would be burry for 38 years you can't fight the Greeks with equal armaments they will skin you .and eat you as kebob

[London Observer]

Mkz6 wrote:

<quoted text>Re L observer I know fkn history better than a history professor I'n istsnbul university .don't go there .what the F you are. Talking about we beat the strongest empire I'n the known world the Persian .do you know that ?what Alexander was Russian slavobulgarian,give a brake .Greece needs protection?re karpuz head we fought italy and germany I'n 1940 Tutkey got scare ask
Inonu .Cyprus re if Greece was loose no TRNC today al your men would be burry for 38 years you can't fight the Greeks with equal armaments they will skin you .and eat you as kebob

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You need to polish up your history. Do you really believe 300 Spartan defected Persian Empire?
That’s a myth just like rest of the Greek history.
Turks was bruised and battered from World War 1, it was the perfect time for Greeks to defeat the Turks, but you blew it.
Instead Turks drive you to Aegean Sea.

[Nick the Greek]

Thick Illiterate Sari-Monkey!

[Observer]

"Guy"
Doctors in Australia have diagnosed a new condition which they are calling "Olympic finger". Symptoms are pain in the index finger caused by repeated scrolling down to see Australia's medal tally. He He.

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Is it the same condition that one can get by scrolling down to see Turkey's medal tally?

[MKZ6]

London Observer wrote:

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You need to polish up your history. Do you really believe 300 Spartan defected Persian Empire?
That’s a myth just like rest of the Greek history.
Turks was bruised and battered from World War 1, it was the perfect time for Greeks to defeat the Turks, but you blew it.
Instead Turks drive you to Aegean Sea.

re banana the Spartans were proffessonal soldiers ,from age 14 to 65 ,what the Persian were ? they gave them a sword and a wooden shield ,to fight the best supply army in the ancient world .did you see a Spartan soldier ? metalic helmet with side and facial protection ,chest protection ,arm and leg protection ,shield Hard wood inside metalic skin ,spears heavy up front to penetrate easier ,now the poor Persian had no training ,cloth helmets ,wooded shields ,what chance they had against the Spartans ? is like the cypriots fighting the Turks i 1974 ,jets tanks navy ships against rifles .one more time the Spartans draw a line and they were not allowed to reatreat over that line win or die .read some history dont tell me about greek history i know what color underwear the Spartans had .the whole world knows the 300 spartans but you are jelous wake up was truth ask the Iranians today Persians they know history.read history not Turkish propagada crop

[MKZ6]

London Observer wrote:

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You need to polish up your history. Do you really believe 300 Spartan defected Persian Empire?
That’s a myth just like rest of the Greek history.
Turks was bruised and battered from World War 1, it was the perfect time for Greeks to defeat the Turks, but you blew it.
Instead Turks drive you to Aegean Sea.

Now you talk about the 1919 war ? what do you know about that war? zero ,Kemal mustafa attaturk promise that commie Lenin the whole world ,and Russia because hate UK and France more than the turks help your retreating army 18 milles from Ankara with 100000 rifles ,aircooling machineguns ammo catrige factory in Ankara millions of rubles 2 warships ,turks coulsnt operate them anyway,20000 Romaniam swords ,thats why you Beat the Greeks ,UK stop ammo supply to them, they didnt want a strong Greece so with one stone they kill 2 birds .banana they destroy Greeece and Turkey England is known for that they are FKN tricky and sneaky as the screw Cyprus too.any way war is supplies if you dont have you loose ,is not the old times you go to the woods and make arrows you need techology factories and money.all the brave crop are useless. check my historical facts above are true 100/100 i know history do you?