Why Turks have an inferiority complex towards Greeks?

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Why the Turks always compare themselves to Greeks?

Why the Turks always antagonizing the Greeks?

Why the Turks try to be equal with the Greeks?

What the Turks try to prove?

Why the Turks try to imitate everything Greek or European?
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Aristodimos wrote:
Why the Turks always compare themselves to Greeks?
Why the Turks always antagonizing the Greeks?
Why the Turks try to be equal with the Greeks?
What the Turks try to prove?
Why the Turks try to imitate everything Greek or European?
Why the Turks always compare themselves to Greeks?

Why the Greeks always antagonizing the Turks?

Why the Greeks try to be equal with the Turks?

What the Greeks try to prove?

Why the Greeks try to imitate everything Turks?
Aristodimos

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<quoted text>Why the Turks always compare themselves to Greeks?
Why the Greeks always antagonizing the Turks?
Why the Greeks try to be equal with the Turks?
What the Greeks try to prove?
Why the Greeks try to imitate everything Turks?
You can not come up with something original and you have to copy my sentences and present them as your own????

Why the Turks do not compare themselves with their cousins Turkmenistanis or Azerbajanis?

Why the Turks are at the Cyprus forum?

1.To prove how extremist they are?

2.To prove how nationalistic they are?

3.To prove how much village idiots they are?

4.To create friendship between Turks and Greeks!!!!

Which is the correct answer?

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Aristodimos wrote:
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You can not come up with something original and you have to copy my sentences and present them as your own????
Why the Turks do not compare themselves with their cousins Turkmenistanis or Azerbajanis?
Why the Turks are at the Cyprus forum?
1.To prove how extremist they are?
2.To prove how nationalistic they are?
3.To prove how much village idiots they are?
4.To create friendship between Turks and Greeks!!!!
Which is the correct answer?
you are talking about turks and i am a turk . so i answered yyour question with asking same questions to you. thats all. and try to discuss like a human.
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Aristodimos wrote:
Why the Turks always compare themselves to Greeks?
Why the Turks always antagonizing the Greeks?
Why the Turks try to be equal with the Greeks?
What the Turks try to prove?
Why the Turks try to imitate everything Greek or European?
What a WANKER tou are, Turks rather be a dog than a Greek.
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What a WANKER tou are, Turks rather be a dog than a Greek.
That is not a choice jerk,your a half dog,a wolf named Asena gave birth to little Turks after she had sex with a Mongol.
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Its all very simple really...

Mainland Turks have no comprehension of how much Greeks are worshiped across the Civilised world & how much Turks are hated.

Just 1 example...The Lincoln Memorial Washington DC.

This was built approx 1925 in honour of Abraham Lincoln. The Yanks could have chosen any style of building but (yet again) they chose the greatest symbol of Western Civilisation..The Greek Temple!!!

Just Google it Barbarians!

The Turks who live in the West are well aware of this adulation towards all things Greek & it eats away at them every day!!!!
Wise man

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Turks don't care about Greeks. That is half the way toward peace. When Greeks stop caring about Turks, there will be peace..
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Wise man wrote:
Turks don't care about Greeks. That is half the way toward peace. When Greeks stop caring about Turks, there will be peace..
I understand what you are saying. However, I would say this. You, as an ordinary citizen of Turkey should think about the Greeks.
Not in the "normal" Greek-Turkish" "Cats-Dogs" context we all have become accustomed to, but by way of a simple observer.
As hard as it may seem for you to believe now, what is happening in Greece could be your future.
Greece is being decomposed from being a sovereign state into part of the superstate that will eventually be Europe.
Turkey has, for example, refused to accept Greece extending its territorial waters for fear of the Aegean becomming a Greek lake. What more of a problem for Turkey then if it eventually became a European lake.
The main issue for peace between Greece and Turkey is not whether Turkish people now not worth even bothering about, but whether you will be allowed to think that Greece is not worth bothering about.
Greeks are funny thatway

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Agamemnon wrote:
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I understand what you are saying. However, I would say this. You, as an ordinary citizen of Turkey should think about the Greeks.
Not in the "normal" Greek-Turkish" "Cats-Dogs" context we all have become accustomed to, but by way of a simple observer.
As hard as it may seem for you to believe now, what is happening in Greece could be your future.
Greece is being decomposed from being a sovereign state into part of the superstate that will eventually be Europe.
Turkey has, for example, refused to accept Greece extending its territorial waters for fear of the Aegean becomming a Greek lake. What more of a problem for Turkey then if it eventually became a European lake.
The main issue for peace between Greece and Turkey is not whether Turkish people now not worth even bothering about, but whether you will be allowed to think that Greece is not worth bothering about.
European lake or Greek lake I see you have them both covered.
who are the Europeans? Greece and Greece and Greece that have any access to the Aegean sea. Oh I see now the Germans and the Italians and the French have more rights to Aegean then the Turks,,
do me a favour , Aegean sea is between Turkey and Greece not other European country's , Greece is in the European Union for the sole reason to trade with other European country's and they even fked that up too.
Greeks seam to think being in the EU they can throw their weight around as if EU will some how get together put an army together and fight their wars for them. no EU member country will sacrifice a single persons life for Greece.
that privilege is only for NATO.
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Greeks are funny thatway wrote:
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European lake or Greek lake I see you have them both covered.
who are the Europeans? Greece and Greece and Greece that have any access to the Aegean sea. Oh I see now the Germans and the Italians and the French have more rights to Aegean then the Turks,,
do me a favour , Aegean sea is between Turkey and Greece not other European country's , Greece is in the European Union for the sole reason to trade with other European country's and they even fked that up too.
Greeks seam to think being in the EU they can throw their weight around as if EU will some how get together put an army together and fight their wars for them. no EU member country will sacrifice a single persons life for Greece.
that privilege is only for NATO.
You have completely misunderstood what I am trying to say. Even if Greece had total control to extract what ever it wanted from the Aegean it would never benefit from it. It is no longer a sovereign state in the true sense of the word let alone be a country that can throw its weight around.
Heaven forbid that Greece and Turkey ever manage to reach an agreement to control their own resources.
Heaven forbid that there will ever be a peace agreement between Turks and Kurds, as the events in Paris recently point to.
You live in the UK like I do.
I ask one favour watch this. Be patient and watch this all the way through.
I am not asking you to believe anything it says, but rry and find time to watch it because there is a bigger story than simply that of Greece and Turkey for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Agamemnon wrote:
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You have completely misunderstood what I am trying to say. Even if Greece had total control to extract what ever it wanted from the Aegean it would never benefit from it. It is no longer a sovereign state in the true sense of the word let alone be a country that can throw its weight around.
Heaven forbid that Greece and Turkey ever manage to reach an agreement to control their own resources.
Heaven forbid that there will ever be a peace agreement between Turks and Kurds, as the events in Paris recently point to.
You live in the UK like I do.
I ask one favour watch this. Be patient and watch this all the way through.
I am not asking you to believe anything it says, but rry and find time to watch it because there is a bigger story than simply that of Greece and Turkey for us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Europe can never become an entity that can act in unity. Aegean will keep staying between Greece and Turkey and there will be no game-changer meddling of Germans or the French.

The killings in Paris has nothing to do with the Turkish government. It is most likely an internal feud within PKK. I wish Turkey had spies that can carry out cross-border operations but it is not true; Turkey has no such capacity. As for PKK and Turkey; peace is closer than ever. Both sides are ready to compromise but the fighting in past two years was necessary for PKK to see its bargaining power. PKK learned it the hard way that it has little bargaining power. Last year they blew with their whole power (they called 2012 the final year) but the civilian Kurdish population did not rise up as they wished and they lost hundreds of guearillas. I think it is now past the critical moment. Ocalan is willing to negotiate to dismember PKK only in exchange of a TV and somewhat better conditions in his cell; he accepted that he will stay imprisoned for the rest of his life and PKK, with or without him, has failed.
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Europe can never become an entity that can act in unity. Aegean will keep staying between Greece and Turkey and there will be no game-changer meddling of Germans or the French.
The killings in Paris has nothing to do with the Turkish government. It is most likely an internal feud within PKK. I wish Turkey had spies that can carry out cross-border operations but it is not true; Turkey has no such capacity. As for PKK and Turkey; peace is closer than ever. Both sides are ready to compromise but the fighting in past two years was necessary for PKK to see its bargaining power. PKK learned it the hard way that it has little bargaining power. Last year they blew with their whole power (they called 2012 the final year) but the civilian Kurdish population did not rise up as they wished and they lost hundreds of guearillas. I think it is now past the critical moment. Ocalan is willing to negotiate to dismember PKK only in exchange of a TV and somewhat better conditions in his cell; he accepted that he will stay imprisoned for the rest of his life and PKK, with or without him, has failed.
For sure things are not going totally to plan for the Eurocrats, but the work is in progress.
Greece, Italy Spain Portugal Cyprus and Ireland to a greater or lesser extent cannot function outside the EU. They are dependent on EU. Otherwise how would they ever allow such austerity measures that are driving them deeper into poverty.
In Greece for example, most banks will not allow their customers to withdraw their savings. So most Greeks who have any momey in the banks fear a euro-exit on the basis that that the bank will fail and they will lose everything. This is rule by fear not consensus.

I also tend to belive that Turkey was not responsible for the shootings in Paris, although I rule nothing out.
What I am sure of however is that there will be no peace with the PKK because the continuin conflict serves outside interests just as Greece and Turkey will never be allowed to settle their differences. Its just too good for business.
very hilarous lolololo

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For sure things are not going totally to plan for the Eurocrats, but the work is in progress.
Greece, Italy Spain Portugal Cyprus and Ireland to a greater or lesser extent cannot function outside the EU. They are dependent on EU. Otherwise how would they ever allow such austerity measures that are driving them deeper into poverty.
In Greece for example, most banks will not allow their customers to withdraw their savings. So most Greeks who have any momey in the banks fear a euro-exit on the basis that that the bank will fail and they will lose everything. This is rule by fear not consensus.
I also tend to belive that Turkey was not responsible for the shootings in Paris, although I rule nothing out.
What I am sure of however is that there will be no peace with the PKK because the continuin conflict serves outside interests just as Greece and Turkey will never be allowed to settle their differences. Its just too good for business.
i would agrre with you on most things

but our erdogan is no ordinary politician

i met him when he was the mayor of istanbul
as i was doing business with a very close friend of his

and i remember thinking after 30 minutes in the same room to myself this man should be our primeminister of turkey

if anybody can broker a peace with the pkk and the kurds of Turkey
it is HIM
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very hilarous lolololo wrote:
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i would agrre with you on most things
but our erdogan is no ordinary politician
i met him when he was the mayor of istanbul
as i was doing business with a very close friend of his
and i remember thinking after 30 minutes in the same room to myself this man should be our primeminister of turkey
if anybody can broker a peace with the pkk and the kurds of Turkey
it is HIM
When Erdogan came into power, I was one of the few that use to say on the forums that he seemed to be a good leader for Turkey. Many Turks were critical of him because they regarded his policies as being in conflict with Kemalist ideology.
My reasons originally for liking Mr Erdogan, was that he appeared to bring a determination through his zero problems concept to try and improve relations with Greece and Turkey, the Kurds and Armenians.
At the time I thought, OK this is a very good step in the right direction.
Over time though he seems in my opinion to have changed. In certain of his outbursts he sounded quite unstatesmanlike, being as they were aggressive and threatening. Whilst its no problem for you and I to sit here and shout at each other, when it comes to the political leader of a nation of over 70 million then the expectations are different on how he should behave.
Perhaps, to be fair, he is being pushed by the US to try and put forward the Turkish model as the way an muslim state should be as an example for the Arabs to follow, but it still smacks of neo-Ottomanism to many.
This to me is as much as a step backwards as dream of a neo-Byzantine empire. It will never happen and all it does is simply keep old emnities going.
Yes the economy is doing well, but the problem with the global nature of economic structures is that many things are beyond the control of the individual state and things can quickly turn for the worst.
I could also tak about the TUrkish role in Syria which as far as I understand ordinary Turks feel uneasy about.
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When Erdogan came into power, I was one of the few that use to say on the forums that he seemed to be a good leader for Turkey. Many Turks were critical of him because they regarded his policies as being in conflict with Kemalist ideology.
My reasons originally for liking Mr Erdogan, was that he appeared to bring a determination through his zero problems concept to try and improve relations with Greece and Turkey, the Kurds and Armenians.
At the time I thought, OK this is a very good step in the right direction.
Over time though he seems in my opinion to have changed. In certain of his outbursts he sounded quite unstatesmanlike, being as they were aggressive and threatening. Whilst its no problem for you and I to sit here and shout at each other, when it comes to the political leader of a nation of over 70 million then the expectations are different on how he should behave.
Perhaps, to be fair, he is being pushed by the US to try and put forward the Turkish model as the way an muslim state should be as an example for the Arabs to follow, but it still smacks of neo-Ottomanism to many.
This to me is as much as a step backwards as dream of a neo-Byzantine empire. It will never happen and all it does is simply keep old emnities going.
Yes the economy is doing well, but the problem with the global nature of economic structures is that many things are beyond the control of the individual state and things can quickly turn for the worst.
I could also tak about the TUrkish role in Syria which as far as I understand ordinary Turks feel uneasy about.
Erdogan comes from conservative Muslim background and such people in Turkey think of the era of Ottomans as the culmination of peace, prosperity, and justice. It is indeed a surprise to such people to find out later in their lives that ex-subjects of Ottomans such as Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Armenians, and even Muslim Albanians and Arabs, either hate or do not regard as highly of Ottomans. Because, to Turks of such indoctrination, Ottomans only brought justice, prosperity and peace to its subjects and what Greeks/Bulgarians/Serbs/Armeni ans say about the Ottomans is pure lies and ingratitude. The fact, in my opinion, is Ottoman era was, as many other things in life, neither days of pure oppression as its Christian subjects claim who needed a historic enemy to foster their own national identities, nor an era of perfection as conservative Muslim Turks like to believe how their "holy caliphs" must have ruled.

You had a very big misconception of Erdogan. Kemalists are nationalists, true, but they are modern people. Erdogan is an ultraconservative muslim AND A NATIONALIST. There is no reason for him to be more lenient toward Greeks than Kemalists.

Erdogan did many good deeds in Turkey. Yet he has also caused much damage to Turkey. By nature he is intolerant and people in Turkey are now much scared of criticizing his AKP. Media, businessmen, intellectuals have been subdued by Erdogan and the Gulen Cemaat (an organization founded by Fethullah Gulen, a muslim cleric), who try to shape up a new Turkey where people are "obedient subjects" who pray 5-times-a-day, do not drink alcohol, do not watch porn on internet, do not believe in evolution, do not question what the indoctrination by Sunni Islamic clerics, and marry and reproduce and multiply the number of "good Muslims".
Greeks are funny thatway

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Agamemnon wrote:
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When Erdogan came into power, I was one of the few that use to say on the forums that he seemed to be a good leader for Turkey. Many Turks were critical of him because they regarded his policies as being in conflict with Kemalist ideology.
My reasons originally for liking Mr Erdogan, was that he appeared to bring a determination through his zero problems concept to try and improve relations with Greece and Turkey, the Kurds and Armenians.
At the time I thought, OK this is a very good step in the right direction.
Over time though he seems in my opinion to have changed. In certain of his outbursts he sounded quite unstatesmanlike, being as they were aggressive and threatening. Whilst its no problem for you and I to sit here and shout at each other, when it comes to the political leader of a nation of over 70 million then the expectations are different on how he should behave.
Perhaps, to be fair, he is being pushed by the US to try and put forward the Turkish model as the way an muslim state should be as an example for the Arabs to follow, but it still smacks of neo-Ottomanism to many.
This to me is as much as a step backwards as dream of a neo-Byzantine empire. It will never happen and all it does is simply keep old emnities going.
Yes the economy is doing well, but the problem with the global nature of economic structures is that many things are beyond the control of the individual state and things can quickly turn for the worst.
I could also tak about the TUrkish role in Syria which as far as I understand ordinary Turks feel uneasy about.
Greece , PKK and the Armenian's what should Turkey do to please them ?? give them land because that is the only thing that will please them.
Look Turkey is a big country with a modestly large population
Turkey has zero issues with any one of her neighbours, it is those I mentioned above that have issues , Greece for instance want big chunk of the Aegean sea
because of few rocks they own near Turkey what should Turkey do ? give up Aegean just to please Greece.
Pkk want to carve up Turkey and call part of it Kurdistan what should Turkey do ? give PKK what they want just to please them ..
Armenian's still dreaming of greater Armenia stretching in to Turkey and every single one of them is a Turk Haters what shall Turkey do? give in to their demands . where will it all end?

Why should Turkey be the one constantly reaching out to them
how about them doing the same showing some goodwill stop their bad mouthing Turkey , why should Turkey give in to these ungrateful people, Turkey should not even give them the time of day they don't deserve Turkeys friendship.. let them be Turk haters because that is the only thing they can do nothing else.

As for some Turks being against the government over Syria,

Did all the Americans back their president over Vietnam war?

Did we in Britten back our government over the invasion of Iraq
or even the defence of Falkland islands.

in every country there are those who are for the government and there are those who are against I yet to hear otherwise.
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It is no issue what Greeks/Armenians/Pkk want. Turkey does, as any country, what is in its best interests. Armenian and Greek wishes are actually pure pipe dream. Armenians and Greeks can hardly populate their own lands and they both are in economic mess. It is ridiculous and utter stupidity for them to demand lands from a 75-million strong, economic powerhouse Turkey. Greeks, but especially Armenians, put their hared before their minds and are destined to fail.
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Greeks are funny thatway wrote:
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Greece , PKK and the Armenian's what should Turkey do to please them ?? give them land because that is the only thing that will please them.
Look Turkey is a big country with a modestly large population
Turkey has zero issues with any one of her neighbours, it is those I mentioned above that have issues , Greece for instance want big chunk of the Aegean sea
because of few rocks they own near Turkey what should Turkey do ? give up Aegean just to please Greece.
Pkk want to carve up Turkey and call part of it Kurdistan what should Turkey do ? give PKK what they want just to please them ..
Armenian's still dreaming of greater Armenia stretching in to Turkey and every single one of them is a Turk Haters what shall Turkey do? give in to their demands . where will it all end?
Why should Turkey be the one constantly reaching out to them
how about them doing the same showing some goodwill stop their bad mouthing Turkey , why should Turkey give in to these ungrateful people, Turkey should not even give them the time of day they don't deserve Turkeys friendship.. let them be Turk haters because that is the only thing they can do nothing else.
As for some Turks being against the government over Syria,
Did all the Americans back their president over Vietnam war?
Did we in Britten back our government over the invasion of Iraq
or even the defence of Falkland islands.
in every country there are those who are for the government and there are those who are against I yet to hear otherwise.
Greece doesn't want the Aegean sea. She already owns it.

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