Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Genetic origin of the Cypriots

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christosmediter

London, UK

#1 Dec 29, 2012
Check out my YOUTUBE video regarding the prehistoric history of Neolithic Cyprus and my theories, graphics and musical compositions concerning the unique Cypriot genetic lineage. Of interest mostly to Greek and Turkish speaking Cypriots.In summary a revision that both Greek and Turkish speaking Cypriots derive genetically from the neolithic agriculturalists circa 10,000BC.

Heres the link:

Nick the Greek

Aberdeen, UK

#2 Dec 30, 2012
The genes modern-humans carry today may not reflect faithfully, their current ethnic-pride and current national-feelings - example is found in modern Britain.

Modern-humans residing in the British Isles are found carrying native Keltic [[Scots][Irish][Welsh]] genes but attest to harbouring English ethnic-pride and National-feelings for England - expand this phenomenon to 4th generation assimilated Commonwealth citizens and you have the makings of philosophical question:

Question - What is it that makes you English

expanded

Question - What makes you who you are today in terms of how you self-Identify and how you self determine your ethnic - national status.

Blood and Dna do not correlate to ethnicity - ethnic-pride is something that is taught in local learning Institutions...good [knowledge based] schools or in bad [propagandist] ones.

When the ancient-Greeks Hellenized NoN-Greek populations - those populations Hellenized willingly and voluntarily adopting the Hellenic culture through choice.

I return back to my original thesis: The genes modern peoples carry today may not reflect faithfully ones current ethnic-pride and national-feelings - examples are found all around us!

christosmediter

London, UK

#3 Dec 30, 2012
What you are referring to is modern artificial national pride, not ancestral identity and loyalty based on kinship which is a biological entity. Whether you like it or not biological studies have and will continue to support the notion that through the confines of the “selfish gene” – those closest related (in a collective relative manner) will and do help more so and give self-sacrifice (altruism) to those of their kin. If the fact that Greek speaking Cypriots and Turkish speaking Cypriots are genetically indistinguishable by genetic markers in place of their respective loci – the fact that people would not want to kill their own brothers as it were would be a poignant component in the unification of an ancestral peoples – not artificial state whence anything goes. Of course we as humans can show altruism and stand by others with similar values (such as your British example) yet this is just a memetic response (cultural transferable adaptation), and not a biologically founded sustainable component.
Nick the Greek

Aberdeen, UK

#4 Dec 30, 2012
In the Haemus (Balkan) peninsula, we are all genetically similar - Haemus people...spawned from same gene-pool, same genetic stock so why do the peoples of FYRoM reject their Paeonian roots and ethno-origins.

FYRoM rejects it's Paeonian ancestral base for a Macedonian one...on the basis, the peoples there have been taught to harbour collective-memories - ethnic-pride and national-feelings for all things Macedonian.

If the peoples of FYRoM are autochthonous original Haemus peninsula natives, having never moved or shifted from where they are today - that would make them Paeonians and not the Macedonians they want to be.

Paeonians like the rest of the Haemus natives, sprang from a common gene pool. The ancient-peoples of the Greek (Haemus) peninsula shared similar genes and haplogroups but differed on cultural-linguistic lines until Hellenization.

FYRoM is Paeonia...a Haemus people. Hellenized - Romanized - Bulgarized - Slavicized - Turkified - and now, searching for Identity. The options are many but the choice is limited.
christosmediter

London, UK

#5 Dec 30, 2012
Mate I am studying biological anthropology at University so I should know, you seem like a nice guy though. Yes you are stating the obvious that the whole of the modern Homo sapien population has the same origin genetically (circa 150,000 years ago for anatomically modern humans in Ethiopia)– what I am saying through natural selection and evolution is that closer genetic isolated populations that mutate and reproduce amongst themselves for a certain period are considered closer to one another than other groups in A RELATIVE MANNER. Hence Whether you like it or not biological studies have and will continue to support the notion that through the confines of the “selfish gene”– those closest related (in a collective relative manner) will and do help more so and give self-sacrifice (altruism) to those of their kin. If you study anthropology you will also discover that all modern anatomically modern humans are in their greatest proportion Homo sapie, however the 3-4% Homo neanderthalensis DNA in Europeans and West Asians (middle easterners), the 3-4% Homo neanderthalensis DNA and approximately 5% Homo denisova DNA in Eastern Asians and Melanesians, and possibly 4% of a new more recent (only 13,000 years ago) constituent of Homo heidelbergensis DNA in Sub-saharan Africans, separates the three main continents of population genetics into potentially three sub, or actual Races or species. Due to the fact that even a single combination of genes at their loci can make even the most drastic changes to the phenotype and genetic integrity of a species to reproduce with another – this slight admixture with our various archaic ancestors and cousins resulted in separate races or species amongst modern humans, and so there are quite firm constraints regarding the selfish gene theory of altruism amongst those of MOST SIMILAR BIOLOGICAL KINSHIP.
To other Greek and Turkish Cypriot readers I would encourage you to view my video link at the top.
Nick the Greek

Aberdeen, UK

#6 Dec 30, 2012
Janissaries prove the theory wrong!

Young Haemus native children - Kith and Kin to Greek speakers and Slavic speakers, from same or similar genetic stock, were raised as fanatical Turks to kill and mutilated their own creed.

The selfish gene was absent when that happened!

The closest related gene did not trigger - the signal went AWOL to stop the Janissaries from killing their own blood-kin relatives!
christosmediter

London, UK

#7 Dec 30, 2012
I was referring to statistical probability, and so the Janisery phenomenon is highly unlikely on other biological grounds (I can think of one other example in the natural world - the cuckoo that lays their eggs to mimic that of unknowing foster birds of a separate species, and dumps them in their nest!!!) The point I am making is that if we educate people of the genetic fact that Greek and Turkish speaking Cypriots are identical, the two speaking communities will then KNOWINGLY feel uneasy about killing their own kin – you get me pe file!
Nick the Turkospore

Birmingham, UK

#8 Dec 30, 2012
Yes...we are related
Nick the Greek

Aberdeen, UK

#9 Dec 30, 2012
christosmediter wrote:
I was referring to statistical probability, and so the Janisery phenomenon is highly unlikely on other biological grounds (I can think of one other example in the natural world - the cuckoo that lays their eggs to mimic that of unknowing foster birds of a separate species, and dumps them in their nest!!!) The point I am making is that if we educate people of the genetic fact that Greek and Turkish speaking Cypriots are identical, the two speaking communities will then KNOWINGLY feel uneasy about killing their own kin – you get me pe file!
I would be more inclined to place emphasis on the Islands native and natural ethnogenic-culture - a time when Cypriots were just that CYPRIOTS, integral and intrinsic to the Greek-Hellenic collective of peoples.

That some of them adopted Islam, the Turkish culture and language, should not stop us from educating all Cypriots about the Islands earliest known ethnogenic cultural and linguistic beginnings.
Nick the Greek

Aberdeen, UK

#10 Dec 30, 2012
Who am I Turk wrote:
Yes...we are related
It depened at which Zoom setting one sets the magnifying glass.

If we zoom down far enough - Yes, we are related!
christosmediter

London, UK

#11 Dec 30, 2012
Nick the Greek i see where your coming from and appreciate your stance. I would also like to add i dont know how old you are but judging by your mature remarks i guess adleast 20 years + up, im 23. I dont do this forum thing really, but wanted to here cypriots opinion of this theory i have researched, other forums that i tried for a uniform test have proven to be in vain and their remarks incredibly simplistic and quite fascist Greek. I appreciate you are non bias as am i, something i hope others in the Eastern Mediterranean would adopt. Have a good new year yeah, take care

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