Greek Atrocities and Massacres of Turks in Anatolia after the London Conference

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#3 Nov 26, 2007
TURK wrote:
Following the Greek atrocities at Yalova and Orhan Gazi and Izmit peninsula, an Inter-Allied Commission was established. The Commission submitted its report to Foreign Office on 16 July 1921, via the Admiralty. In his covering letter Admiral de Robeck stated that, from a careful perusal of the report, it would appear that the majority of the crimes were perpetrated by the Greeks, including Greek regular officers and men, and that they were commenced by them.10 The report gave the following information:
During the past nine months parties of regular Greek soldiers with officers marched at intervals into villages in the neighbourhood of Bozalfat (Eser Koy) near Aghva. The Greek brigand Katsaros had been a visitor and behaved badly. Both Greek regular officers and men had raped women and committed robberies and acts of violence.
Greek soldiers took everything of value such as money, cattle and effects, having tortured the people. There were cases of murder and rape. Some villages were totally or partly destroyed. The villages of Mehter Koy, Lazlar Koyu, Armak Koy, Omer Aga Koyu and Aga Koy were totally destroyed.
Everywhere the Greek soldiers behaved savagely, killing men and raping women. They hung some peopler by their feet over straw fires. In the Beykoz area many massacres took place at Cubuklu and bodies were exhumed. They were buried fully clothed and shod, thrown together.
The historian Arnold J. Toynbee and his wife personally witnessed these atrocities.29
Meanwhile, the Greek authorities, who were embarrassed (!) by these excesses, were trying to turn the tables against the Turks by accusing them of counter-atrocities. According to McCarthy, in Anatolia the British, unlike their compatriots at the Peace Conference, often seem to have given little credence to Greek charges. For example, upon receiving a Greek report of Turkish atrocities in a place named in the report as Tatabazar, the acting High Commissioner, Frank Ratting, remarked: "The slaughter of 7,700 out of 8,000 Greek inhabitants of Tatabazar is untrue, and there is even doubt as to the existence of such a place. Possibly it is intended for Ada Bazaar, but no reports of wholesale massacre of Greeks has been received from that quarter".8 During the war, the British reported that the Greeks were ‘trumping up’ false atrocity stories against the Turks.2
The Greeks evacuated Izmit on the night of 28 June. The town was reported to be in flames; the Greeks probably started the fire before they left. A number of Turks were reported massacred by Armenians in Izmit itself. Both the Armenians and neutral Turks were terror stricken, but all the Greeks were evacuated by the Greek forces.9
On 1 July, General Franks reported that the Greek troops were retreating towards Yalova and burning all the villages in the coastal area. The Commission on atrocities went to Izmit on 30 July where they were well received by the Turkish Nationalists. There was no evidence of any massacre of Christians. Officials of the American hospital and French priests spoke highly of the Kemalists’ discipline and demeanour. However, atrocities of an appalling nature, including murder, torture and mutilation, were verified by exhumation. American evidence supported that these were committed by Christian, Armenian and Circassian brigands, assisted by drunken and undisciplined Greek troops whilst the town was in Greek military occupation. The Commission was of the opinion that the behaviour of the Greek army in retreat was "deplorable and unworthy of a civilised nation".
http://www.atmg.org/GreekBarbarism.html
so turks have NEVER killed greeks?
Greek Islander

Reading, PA

#4 Nov 26, 2007
The funny thing is that the Turks will never talk about (or just deny) what they were doing to the Greeks and other Christians of Asia Minor from 1914 till 1919 when the Greek Army finally landed in Smyrni. Of course there was revenge comitted against the Turks who had just finished their first phase of ethnic cleansing against the Greeks and Armenians....we don't deny this. But also many of the Greek soldiers who commited these attrocities where sentenced to death by the Greek Governor of Smyrna, Aristidis Stergiadis.

From Pontos in what is today called Northeastern Turkey to Cesme in the West, Greeks were being butchered. At that time, only the city of Smyrna was left untouched by the Turks. One of the worst massacres occured in Phokea (foca) in 1914.

George Horton who was the Governor General Of the United States in Smyrna at the time wrote about the massacres in his book, THE BLIGHT OF ASIA:

This is what he wrote about Phokea in 1914:

“During the night the organized bands continued the pillage of the town. At the break of dawn there was continual “tres nourrie” firing before the houses. Going out immediately, we four, we saw the most atrocious spectacle of which it is possible to dream. This horde, which had entered the town, was armed with Gras rifles and cavalry muskets. A house was in flames. From all directions the Christians were rushing to the quays seeking boats to get away in, but since the night there were none left. Cries of terror mingled with the sound of firing. The panic was so great that a woman with her child was drowned in sixty centimeters of water.”

“Mr. Carlier saw an atrocious spectacle. A Christian stood at his door, which the bandits wished to enter, as his wife and daughter were in the house. He stretched out his arms to bar the way. This motion cost him his life for they shot him in the stomach. As he was staggering toward the sea, they gave him a second shot in the back, and the corpse lay there for two days.”

http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/hb-6.html

http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/hb-contents.ht...

http://www.aihgs.com/New%20York%20Times.htm
Greek Islander

Reading, PA

#5 Nov 26, 2007
Sorry, George Horton was the Consul-General Of the United States (not Governor General) in Smyrna from 1911-1917 and then again from 1919 till the citys destruction by the Turks in 1922.
Greek Islander

Philadelphia, PA

#7 Nov 27, 2007
TURK wrote:
You've got what you have deserved to get in return, stop crying!!
GO ASK YOUR GRANDFATHERS HOW THEY SWAM ACROSS THE ENTIRE AEGAN SEA TO RUN AWAY FROM TURKS IN 1922.,
read about it!
I don't think you read the post...it was the Turks who started exterminating entire regions of Asia Minor of their Christioan populations 5 years before the Greek Army landed in Smyrna.

As far as swiming across the Aegean I think it was the Turks who swam across it first in 1822 and then again in 1912. Actually older members of my family told me how long lines of Turkish prisoners of war were marched through the streets of our town in 1912 while the villagers spit, threw eggs,yogurt and oranges at them.
Gat

United States

#9 Nov 27, 2007
TURK wrote:
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Yours feeded you with bullshit info. Those were only the Turkish, Jewish, Albanian, Macedonian etc, subjects of Ottoman empire trying to escape from the hatred Gayreeks. Everybody knows how brave your gay soldiers were and are when they face fearless Turkish soldiers. There is no single war won by your pawn nation! Go and read my posts about how brave you jurks are!
How come you failed to mention, Imbros and the Istanbul riots of 1955?? Now your going to tell me, it was Greeks who killed Turks right there? Keep trying to distort history to favor you Turks. Keep playing the victim role. We see right through your BULLSHIT.
The Lamp

Melbourne, Australia

#10 Nov 27, 2007
Turks MURDERED hundreds of thousands of Christians BEFORE 1919.

MURDERED!

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!

"Cleaning" Greeks from Asia Minor started in 1912.
BEFORE 1919!

Hamidian massacres.
BEFORE 1919!

Adana massacres.
BEFORE 1919!

Armenian Genocide.
BEFORE 1919!

But, strangely, these facts has no effect on Turkish minds.

I don't know if they should be pitied or laughed at.
The Lamp

Melbourne, Australia

#13 Nov 27, 2007
LOL! Look what you posted above MORON! On your first post you have the history from the year 1921!
Greek Islander

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Nov 27, 2007
TURK wrote:
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Yours feeded you with bullshit info. Those were only the Turkish, Jewish, Albanian, Macedonian etc, subjects of Ottoman empire trying to escape from the hatred Gayreeks. Everybody knows how brave your gay soldiers were and are when they face fearless Turkish soldiers. There is no single war won by your pawn nation! Go and read my posts about how brave you jurks are!
Hey Clown...are you under the impression that Turkey isn't a pawn nation? LOL, ur a fool. Look, even today the United States isn't allowing the Turks to enter Iraq and Turkey can yell and scream but can't go against the US. Wars are won or lost depending on which side is favored by the great powers of the period. In 1822 they favored the Greeks and in 1922 they favoured the Turks. Turkey was being heavily supplied with arms by the Soviet Union, Italy came to an agreement with the Turks and statred training and supplying them from bases in Antalya. The British also withdrew their support of the Greek government after Venizelos lost the 1920 election to the Royalists....learn some history fool before coming on here and displaying that pathetic NeoNazi pathology that you are suffering from.
The Lamp

Melbourne, Australia

#16 Nov 27, 2007
TURK wrote:
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These genocide claims are all bullshit. Armenians took advantage of a weak empire and have revolted with the support of Russians, raped and killed thousands of women and children when their fathers, brothers and husbands were fighting away from their home at almost 17 different wars with 7 nation at ones.In return they've got what they have deserved to get. Give up these fairy tales you are trying to post here. It is not like the old times anymore.
Your German friends say you are liars.

And you can only repeat like a parrot.
"Armenians took advantage" blah, blah, blah!
You know nothing. You could not even write one page on this topic.

Tell me. What do the Germans say about the "Armenian Revolts" in their archives ?
The Lamp

Melbourne, Australia

#17 Nov 27, 2007
Don't forget the Germans were running the Turkish military machine in 1915.
wyoming cowboy

United States

#19 Nov 27, 2007
You moron turk keep talking your army and generals are corrupt and ineffective with out the help of the usa and brits you wouldnt dare step foot on cyprus when you invade a nation undefended and loose 17000 soldiers in a matter of 2 months then you are pitiful...wherever your army met strong resistance you fled..as you can see where the green line is on cyprus, your brave army couldnt even take nicosia airport or the town of kokkina which is separated by a mere two miles your day is coming
TURK wrote:
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Yours feeded you with bullshit info. Those were only the Turkish, Jewish, Albanian, Macedonian etc, subjects of Ottoman empire trying to escape from the hatred Gayreeks. Everybody knows how brave your gay soldiers were and are when they face fearless Turkish soldiers. There is no single war won by your pawn nation! Go and read my posts about how brave you jurks are!
wyoming cowboy

United States

#20 Nov 27, 2007
The turks are good obeyers of usa and brits wait a few years when the usa leads the moronic turks into destruction....usa and brits give weapons and money to morons and then lead them off of a cliff hence Iraq, Iran, and next is turkey
Greek Islander

Philadelphia, PA

#21 Nov 27, 2007
TURK wrote:
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And again., another Greek bites the dust:)
Strong nations always stand tall, and the members never cry. This clown is defiently part of it man..., and never cry! But keep laughing at you:))
Not only are you suffering from the infamous "Turkish Denial Disease" but you seem to display symptoms of bipolar disorder.
One minute you cry and copy & paste entire pages of how the Big Bad Greeks terrorized and commited attrocities against Turks during the Greek War Of Independence and again in 1922..... and the next minute you say Turks are strong and don't cry....
Oh well, run along and sing some Turkish Nationaistic Songs such as: NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE, yar yar ammmmaaaaan dede. Sing that while you watch your country stuck in the third world while your neighbors are decades ahead....then ask yourselves why.
Geo

Saskatoon, Canada

#22 Nov 27, 2007
Don't make me laugh. There are groups around the world working tirelessly for the recognition of the Armenian, Greek and Assyrian genocides. Turkey has a lot to answer for.

Many do not even belong to any of those ethnicities. They just hate Turkish policy.
Orphic Hymn

Athens, Greece

#24 Nov 29, 2007
TURK wrote:
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Those Ottoman subjects that revolted against the sysytem got in return what they have deserved to get!
This is the exact mentality that they've raised you fools by.. kill the infidels that revolt against the all mighty wannabe mongol !!!!

As I told you, we don't need to promote any form of propaganda since fools like you constantly express what you truly are all about.
Orphic Hymn

Athens, Greece

#27 Nov 29, 2007
Thakns for confirming how you children are raised..see no propaganda, just the truth.

But while you make one positive step, you turn to your old stupid tactics.. Why intentionally distort my words?

I NEVER said the forum is a waste of time, I clearly said that YOU ARE wasting my time due to your inability of having a discussion, as seen through your constant avoidance of addressing the debated issues..

fine example of such a waste of time is your own topic related to mongols.. You asked but when the reply was posted, when you saw that your rediculous topic wasn't going as you expected.. and simply due to your inability to handle scientific reality.. you turned to trolling.

THAT!! is indeed a waste of my time.
Defendant

Melbourne, Australia

#29 Dec 5, 2007
TURK wrote:
Those Ottoman subjects that revolted against the sysytem got in return what they have deserved to get! And those invaders that killed and tortured Turks at the next door while their husbands and brothers were fighting on many different borders of the Ottoman empire didnt yet received what they deserved to get!
Subjects!

More proof that Turks have a primitive mentality.

What loyalty do subjects owe an empire?

idiot!
Tc In London

UK

#30 Dec 5, 2007
The Lamp wrote:
Don't forget the Germans were running the Turkish military machine in 1915.
so go blame the germans then as they was controlling the military in 1915
Orphic Hymn

Athens, Greece

#31 Dec 5, 2007
Tc In London wrote:
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so go blame the germans then as they was controlling the military in 1915
Whats this TC... where are your claims of Kemal being the head of your army?
amazonadami in Blacksea

Eskisehir, Turkey

#33 Apr 30, 2010
we should faaack all greeks so we gonna find a way to solve these debates easily and finally..I think it s the best way

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