Isn't the Greek crisis due to the fact

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Dervis Eroglu

London, UK

#1 Nov 5, 2012
Isn't the Greek crisis due to the fact that politicians never listen to the people? Everyone used to say the southern European countries had a slower pace of life, they worked to live, not live to work. This fact was totally disregarded when integrating these countries into the Euro specially the Greeks it's like running donkeys in the Grand national they can't cope nor do they want to, surely they would have been far better off with the drachma, and much more tourism? As it is most southern European countries are too expensive to attract the tourism that they used to, Greek south Cyprus is not even in Europe in their case it's like running three legged donkey in the Grand national,
Observer

Limassol, Cyprus

#2 Nov 5, 2012
"Dervis Eroglu " Isn't the Greek crisis due to the fact that politicians never listen to the people? Everyone used to say the southern European countries had a slower pace of life, they worked to live, not live to work. This fact was totally disregarded when integrating these countries into the Euro specially the Greeks it's like running donkeys in the Grand national they can't cope nor do they want to, surely they would have been far better off with the drachma, and much more tourism? As it is most southern European countries are too expensive to attract the tourism that they used to, Greek south Cyprus is not even in Europe in their case it's like running three legged donkey in the Grand national.

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Dervis you must be confuced. Do you mean that all those problems that the Eurozone countries have are not the direct result of Greece and Greek swindlers? Are you changing your tune or have you forgotten that you have invested many posts in this forum blaming the Greeks for everything? For the crisis in Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Cyprus, France, England, even Germany. The entire Eurozone as a matter of fact. You must make up your mind before your next post.
You Turks have been saying it so ofter that even us Greeks started wondering if it were true.
Jokers!
Dervis Eroglu

London, UK

#3 Nov 5, 2012
Observer wrote:
"Dervis Eroglu " Isn't the Greek crisis due to the fact that politicians never listen to the people? Everyone used to say the southern European countries had a slower pace of life, they worked to live, not live to work. This fact was totally disregarded when integrating these countries into the Euro specially the Greeks it's like running donkeys in the Grand national they can't cope nor do they want to, surely they would have been far better off with the drachma, and much more tourism? As it is most southern European countries are too expensive to attract the tourism that they used to, Greek south Cyprus is not even in Europe in their case it's like running three legged donkey in the Grand national.
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Dervis you must be confuced. Do you mean that all those problems that the Eurozone countries have are not the direct result of Greece and Greek swindlers? Are you changing your tune or have you forgotten that you have invested many posts in this forum blaming the Greeks for everything? For the crisis in Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Cyprus, France, England, even Germany. The entire Eurozone as a matter of fact. You must make up your mind before your next post.
You Turks have been saying it so ofter that even us Greeks started wondering if it were true.
Jokers!
I said it all along Greeks should never have been allowed in EU by allowing Greeks in EU,there has been a great injustice done to Greece, economically Greece never had the ability to sustain and bear the weight during an economic slump, the big players knew this all along , even Greek politicians knew that a braking point was inevitable and unavoidable, they were quit happy to line their pockets while the going was good , but at the same time allowed the people to get away with not paying taxes and have a ride on the gravy train , the leaders weren't all selfish the people of Greece benefited too, now the reality hit home and the Greek specialty the blame game begun.
Observer

Limassol, Cyprus

#4 Nov 5, 2012
"Dervis Eroglu "
I said it all along Greeks should never have been allowed in EU by allowing Greeks in EU,there has been a great injustice done to Greece, economically Greece never had the ability to sustain and bear the weight during an economic slump, the big players knew this all along , even Greek politicians knew that a braking point was inevitable and unavoidable, they were quit happy to line their pockets while the going was good , but at the same time allowed the people to get away with not paying taxes and have a ride on the gravy train , the leaders weren't all selfish the people of Greece benefited too, now the reality hit home and the Greek specialty the blame game begun.


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Dervis, your concern for the wellfare of Greece makes me want to cry.
Where were you all this time to stop us from harming ourselves? I wish we had you for a prime minister instead of the scum that we had.
Why don't you run for prime minister of Greece? I really believe that you have a chance now. If you are elected you can then slice Greece piece by piece in your own pace.
Dervis Eroglu

London, UK

#5 Nov 6, 2012
Observer wrote:
"Dervis Eroglu "
I said it all along Greeks should never have been allowed in EU by allowing Greeks in EU,there has been a great injustice done to Greece, economically Greece never had the ability to sustain and bear the weight during an economic slump, the big players knew this all along , even Greek politicians knew that a braking point was inevitable and unavoidable, they were quit happy to line their pockets while the going was good , but at the same time allowed the people to get away with not paying taxes and have a ride on the gravy train , the leaders weren't all selfish the people of Greece benefited too, now the reality hit home and the Greek specialty the blame game begun.
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Dervis, your concern for the wellfare of Greece makes me want to cry.
Where were you all this time to stop us from harming ourselves? I wish we had you for a prime minister instead of the scum that we had.
Why don't you run for prime minister of Greece? I really believe that you have a chance now. If you are elected you can then slice Greece piece by piece in your own pace.
I am not Greek my friend, so any leading position in Greek government would mean I would put Turkish interests first and the Greeks would come second,
Having said that even putting Greeks second it will be far more effective for the best then what you had and have now,
Observer

Limassol, Cyprus

#6 Nov 6, 2012
"Dervis Eroglu "
I am not Greek my friend, so any leading position in Greek government would mean I would put Turkish interests first and the Greeks would come second,
Having said that even putting Greeks second it will be far more effective for the best then what you had and have now.

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My self respect does not allow me to disagree with you on this.
Agamemnon

Carshalton, UK

#7 Nov 6, 2012
Dervis Eroglu wrote:
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I said it all along Greeks should never have been allowed in EU by allowing Greeks in EU,there has been a great injustice done to Greece, economically Greece never had the ability to sustain and bear the weight during an economic slump, the big players knew this all along , even Greek politicians knew that a braking point was inevitable and unavoidable, they were quit happy to line their pockets while the going was good , but at the same time allowed the people to get away with not paying taxes and have a ride on the gravy train , the leaders weren't all selfish the people of Greece benefited too, now the reality hit home and the Greek specialty the blame game begun.
Dervis,

When Greece joined the EU, the economy was not in bad shape. THe problems for Greece began not when it joined the EU, but when it joined the Euro. This gave it access to cheap money because it could borrow at low rates being part of a common currency.
This is where the corruption of the government played a major part in the problems Greece faces.
They borrowed money which they mis-spent knowing full well that they did not have the income to cover. This was not a problem whilst they could borrow cheap money, but when the credit crunch came they were left exposed.
The cost to the UK of tax evasion is estimated to be 15b, even with the a strong Inland Revenue that has a lot of power to collect tax.
The same problem existed in Turkey, that is corruption and nepotism. One of Erdogan's main achievements was to do something about it whilst in Greece even now corruption in government is endemic.
We saw this in the way they tried to prosecute the investigative journalist Costas Vaxevanis who published the names of 2000 rich Greeks on the "Lagarde" list which they tried to hide.

People hate paying taxes, especially if they do not see anything in return.
I pay, including NI over 1000 a month in deductions to my salary. Yet I still have to fund the train companies with fare increases above inflation, I still have to pay over 600 a month for child care, I still have to pay fuel price increases in electricity, petrol, and gas way above inflation, and yet Starbucks paid no taxes in the UK last year because they showed a "loss". So what do we get for all the taxes we pay? HAve you seen the state of the NHS or schools recently?
Dervis Eroglu

London, UK

#8 Nov 6, 2012
Agamemnon wrote:
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Dervis,
When Greece joined the EU, the economy was not in bad shape. THe problems for Greece began not when it joined the EU, but when it joined the Euro. This gave it access to cheap money because it could borrow at low rates being part of a common currency.
This is where the corruption of the government played a major part in the problems Greece faces.
They borrowed money which they mis-spent knowing full well that they did not have the income to cover. This was not a problem whilst they could borrow cheap money, but when the credit crunch came they were left exposed.
The cost to the UK of tax evasion is estimated to be 15b, even with the a strong Inland Revenue that has a lot of power to collect tax.
The same problem existed in Turkey, that is corruption and nepotism. One of Erdogan's main achievements was to do something about it whilst in Greece even now corruption in government is endemic.
We saw this in the way they tried to prosecute the investigative journalist Costas Vaxevanis who published the names of 2000 rich Greeks on the "Lagarde" list which they tried to hide.
People hate paying taxes, especially if they do not see anything in return.
I pay, including NI over 1000 a month in deductions to my salary. Yet I still have to fund the train companies with fare increases above inflation, I still have to pay over 600 a month for child care, I still have to pay fuel price increases in electricity, petrol, and gas way above inflation, and yet Starbucks paid no taxes in the UK last year because they showed a "loss". So what do we get for all the taxes we pay? HAve you seen the state of the NHS or schools recently?
Agamemnon,
I did mean the Euro not EU.
You are right Tax evasions is happening in every country some are worst than others, the thing to do is to stamp it out as quick and as much as possible, but this is not the case in Greece if anything the government is doing it's best to protect the very people who avoid paying taxes, so what do you do?
people should relies without cooperation with Brussels it will get worst in Greece, there is no quick and easy fix even if all the debt was wavered in few years time Greece will be back in the same mess it is in now,
euro is to expensive Germans and the French will always back it it's in their favor to keep it strong,
My personal feeling is for Greece to opt out of Euro and begin printing it's own money this way she can be competitive,

You are a clever man you know all this.

True Turkey was in a worst situation then Greece riddled with corruption it's got better but there is still a long way to go their not out of the woods yet,

In UK going back some time ago I remember the NHS and the schools I must admit they are 100 times better then what they use to be,
sure there is always room for improvement but that means higher taxes, I wish British government stops being the puppet of America rather then funding wars, spend it on NHS, housing, education, so on so forth,
Grey Wolf MHP cCc

Nuneaton, UK

#9 Dec 5, 2012
cancer to greeks , cancer to greek mothers

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