remove lights and benches to force immigrants to integrate

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Cyprus Mail article on a movement in Larnaca to remove lights and benches where immigrants meet on their days off in an effort to force these immigrants to integrate.
Every corner of the world has experienced this phenomenon where new immigrants search for people within their own background and ethnicity to help them cope with relocation and foreign countries.
Even in New York and Chicago, the Italians had their own little communities. What makes New York great and cosmopolitan are the different ethnic communities like little Italy, Chinatown and of course Astoria, home to our favorite son, Gat. Why are the Cypriots so xenophobic and why try to isolate people and make their lives more difficult? Everybody needs a familiar face or a comfort zone in their lives and these immigrants are no exemption.Why are the Cypriots feeling threatened when these people get together to socialize on their day off?Down't London offer this opportunity to the Cypriots. I heard there are more Cypriots in England than Cyprus.
Get it through your heads, you xenophobic fools. If people are happy and respected they will make better citizens and make your communities safer. A loner and depressed immigrant will become a threat

[LOLOLOL]

news wrote:

Cyprus Mail article on a movement in Larnaca to remove lights and benches where immigrants meet on their days off in an effort to force these immigrants to integrate.
Every corner of the world has experienced this phenomenon where new immigrants search for people within their own background and ethnicity to help them cope with relocation and foreign countries.
Even in New York and Chicago, the Italians had their own little communities. What makes New York great and cosmopolitan are the different ethnic communities like little Italy, Chinatown and of course Astoria, home to our favorite son, Gat. Why are the Cypriots so xenophobic and why try to isolate people and make their lives more difficult? Everybody needs a familiar face or a comfort zone in their lives and these immigrants are no exemption.Why are the Cypriots feeling threatened when these people get together to socialize on their day off?Down't London offer this opportunity to the Cypriots. I heard there are more Cypriots in England than Cyprus.
Get it through your heads, you xenophobic fools. If people are happy and respected they will make better citizens and make your communities safer. A loner and depressed immigrant will become a threat

CYPRUS IS #1 OUT OF 51 COUNTRIES IN TERMS OF APPLICATIONSPER CAPITA ACCORDING TO THE UNITED NATIONS HIGH COMMISSION FOR REFUGEES..........not bad for a little country who got 37 percent of its lands and cities and 80 percent of its infrastructure productivity stolen in 1974 creating 200000 refugees of its own..........not one country in the world has matched cyprus in that situation and no country in the world will ever match her..........BRAVO CYPRUS YOU LOST A LOT BUT STILL DOING A LOT..........

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LOLOLOL wrote:

<quoted text>CYPRUS IS #1 OUT OF 51 COUNTRIES IN TERMS OF APPLICATIONSPER CAPITA ACCORDING TO THE UNITED NATIONS HIGH COMMISSION FOR REFUGEES..........not bad for a little country who got 37 percent of its lands and cities and 80 percent of its infrastructure productivity stolen in 1974 creating 200000 refugees of its own..........not one country in the world has matched cyprus in that situation and no country in the world will ever match her..........BRAVO CYPRUS YOU LOST A LOT BUT STILL DOING A LOT..........

the above post has nothing to do with your response. The post is about immigrants and their rights. They are in your country to work and they should have the right to socialize and spend their free time they way they choose to. The same way you guys enjoy your little communities abroad, every other human should have the same right. You spend so much time bragging about your heritage, why shouldn't others be proud of theirs? Why force people to integrate with the Cypriots if they don't want to?
I rode the buses in Cyprus and was shocked at how the bus drivers only talk to the tourists in Greek and they get rude and angry when the tourists do not understand. How stupid is it to expect the tourists to learn the language of every country they visit, to be able to get around? Certainly in Cyprus an ex-British colony.
Why is it so important for the Cypriots that all foreigners integrate in the Cypriot society? You people, do not like foreigners, beat them up, threaten them, tell them to get the hell out of Cyprus and insult them every way possible. Even when they can legally file for citizenship, the immigration dept will deny it and in many instances throw those people in prison.
In other words, you don't like them, but still want them to distant themselves from their own kind and culture to please you?
I always said it and I repeat it again. Freedom and respect make a country richer and healthier. A happy immigrant is a healthy individual that makes a community safer. Hatred provokes hatred and hurts everybody. Please answer to this subject and no more advertising for how wonderful Cyprus is. Irrelevant to the post.

[Gat]

news wrote:

Cyprus Mail article on a movement in Larnaca to remove lights and benches where immigrants meet on their days off in an effort to force these immigrants to integrate.
Every corner of the world has experienced this phenomenon where new immigrants search for people within their own background and ethnicity to help them cope with relocation and foreign countries.
Even in New York and Chicago, the Italians had their own little communities. What makes New York great and cosmopolitan are the different ethnic communities like little Italy, Chinatown and of course Astoria, home to our favorite son, Gat. Why are the Cypriots so xenophobic and why try to isolate people and make their lives more difficult? Everybody needs a familiar face or a comfort zone in their lives and these immigrants are no exemption.Why are the Cypriots feeling threatened when these people get together to socialize on their day off?Down't London offer this opportunity to the Cypriots. I heard there are more Cypriots in England than Cyprus.
Get it through your heads, you xenophobic fools. If people are happy and respected they will make better citizens and make your communities safer. A loner and depressed immigrant will become a threat

I see you still dreaming of me and putting my name in your posts. That is so sweet of you Maria. That is right you mentioned that you had been to Astoria a while ago under the Maria screen name way back.

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news wrote:

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the above post has nothing to do with your response. The post is about immigrants and their rights. They are in your country to work and they should have the right to socialize and spend their free time they way they choose to. The same way you guys enjoy your little communities abroad, every other human should have the same right. You spend so much time bragging about your heritage, why shouldn't others be proud of theirs? Why force people to integrate with the Cypriots if they don't want to?
I rode the buses in Cyprus and was shocked at how the bus drivers only talk to the tourists in Greek and they get rude and angry when the tourists do not understand. How stupid is it to expect the tourists to learn the language of every country they visit, to be able to get around? Certainly in Cyprus an ex-British colony.
Why is it so important for the Cypriots that all foreigners integrate in the Cypriot society? You people, do not like foreigners, beat them up, threaten them, tell them to get the hell out of Cyprus and insult them every way possible. Even when they can legally file for citizenship, the immigration dept will deny it and in many instances throw those people in prison.
In other words, you don't like them, but still want them to distant themselves from their own kind and culture to please you?
I always said it and I repeat it again. Freedom and respect make a country richer and healthier. A happy immigrant is a healthy individual that makes a community safer. Hatred provokes hatred and hurts everybody. Please answer to this subject and no more advertising for how wonderful Cyprus is. Irrelevant to the post.

Get this dope telling us HOW NOT to respond,another Turkish,neo-NAZI dictator,can't take the truth?,are you for real?

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greek wrote:

<quoted text>Get this dope telling us HOW NOT to respond,another Turkish,neo-NAZI dictator,can't take the truth?,are you for real?

you have the brain of a bird. read you idiot, what I said. you don't like reading do you? then don't write. is it clear?
Is it doping to answer the question asked? maybe for you but for me doping is somebody like you just making noise and can't wait to contradict just for the sake of it. why open your stupid mouth and call people, dictators and nazi? are you that desperate to get noticed or just the normal you?

[constance]

news wrote:

Cyprus Mail article on a movement in Larnaca to remove lights and benches where immigrants meet on their days off in an effort to force these immigrants to integrate.
Every corner of the world has experienced this phenomenon where new immigrants search for people within their own background and ethnicity to help them cope with relocation and foreign countries.
Even in New York and Chicago, the Italians had their own little communities. What makes New York great and cosmopolitan are the different ethnic communities like little Italy, Chinatown and of course Astoria, home to our favorite son, Gat. Why are the Cypriots so xenophobic and why try to isolate people and make their lives more difficult? Everybody needs a familiar face or a comfort zone in their lives and these immigrants are no exemption.Why are the Cypriots feeling threatened when these people get together to socialize on their day off?Down't London offer this opportunity to the Cypriots. I heard there are more Cypriots in England than Cyprus.
Get it through your heads, you xenophobic fools. If people are happy and respected they will make better citizens and make your communities safer. A loner and depressed immigrant will become a threat

You cannot really blame people for sometimes seeking out others of their own nationality when in a foreign country. People can get some emotional support by comparing notes and exchanging information. Some older people may not be confident about learning another language and may not be interested in broadening their horizons.

On the other hand, it is good for foreigners and for society if there is some integration. I once knew a girl who had Italian parents. She told me she did not learn to speak English until she started school because her parents spoke to her in Italian - this was in the days when children do not usually attend a playgroup or nursery. This kind of situation is not good.

If one child starts school and they cannot speak the language it is not the end of world; in my town a couple of foreign children started attending a local school and the teachers managed - the children could not be expected to speak English right away as they were newly arrived.

However, if you have large numbers of children who cannot speak the language, this can put pressure on resources - so I think people who have children should make a real effort to learn the language.

[constance]

news wrote:

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I rode the buses in Cyprus and was shocked at how the bus drivers only talk to the tourists in Greek and they get rude and angry when the tourists do not understand. How stupid is it to expect the tourists to learn the language of every country they visit, to be able to get around? Certainly in Cyprus an ex-British colony.
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This reminds me of once when I was in Germany. I was able to ask for an ice-cream in German but I did not understand the question the ice cream seller put to me, so she spoke to me in a very rude tone.

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constance wrote:

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You cannot really blame people for sometimes seeking out others of their own nationality when in a foreign country. People can get some emotional support by comparing notes and exchanging information. Some older people may not be confident about learning another language and may not be interested in broadening their horizons.
On the other hand, it is good for foreigners and for society if there is some integration. I once knew a girl who had Italian parents. She told me she did not learn to speak English until she started school because her parents spoke to her in Italian - this was in the days when children do not usually attend a playgroup or nursery. This kind of situation is not good.
If one child starts school and they cannot speak the language it is not the end of world; in my town a couple of foreign children started attending a local school and the teachers managed - the children could not be expected to speak English right away as they were newly arrived.
However, if you have large numbers of children who cannot speak the language, this can put pressure on resources - so I think people who have children should make a real effort to learn the language.

I agree with your points. In this case, I am sure the people sitting in the benches and socializing with their own must be adults spending time with familiar faces and discussing back home news. We are all entitled to gatherings of our own choosing, being religious, party meetings, teenager get togethers etc.
To faciliatate integration, the cities can help by being more hospitable and friendlier to new comers and putting programs in place to entice young people. Policing and forcing them is disprespectful and can backfire. It is also true that children adapt easier than adults to a new language and new way of life. Special programs can be very helpful and children of both sides can benefit.

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news wrote:

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you have the brain of a bird. read you idiot, what I said. you don't like reading do you? then don't write. is it clear?
Is it doping to answer the question asked? maybe for you but for me doping is somebody like you just making noise and can't wait to contradict just for the sake of it. why open your stupid mouth and call people, dictators and nazi? are you that desperate to get noticed or just the normal you?

Listen you dickhead every sentence you post is full of sheer stupidity,Greek Cypriots hate Jews,Greek Cypriots hate Arabs,Greek Cypriots hate MAINLAND GREEKS?
Greek Cypriots are xenophobic,Greek Cyriots hate this, and Greek Cypriots hate that,
What is wrong with you anyway?

[Democracy United States]

news wrote:

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the above post has nothing to do with your response. The post is about immigrants and their rights. They are in your country to work and they should have the right to socialize and spend their free time they way they choose to. The same way you guys enjoy your little communities abroad, every other human should have the same right. You spend so much time bragging about your heritage, why shouldn't others be proud of theirs? Why force people to integrate with the Cypriots if they don't want to?
I rode the buses in Cyprus and was shocked at how the bus drivers only talk to the tourists in Greek and they get rude and angry when the tourists do not understand. How stupid is it to expect the tourists to learn the language of every country they visit, to be able to get around? Certainly in Cyprus an ex-British colony.
Why is it so important for the Cypriots that all foreigners integrate in the Cypriot society? You people, do not like foreigners, beat them up, threaten them, tell them to get the hell out of Cyprus and insult them every way possible. Even when they can legally file for citizenship, the immigration dept will deny it and in many instances throw those people in prison.
In other words, you don't like them, but still want them to distant themselves from their own kind and culture to please you?
I always said it and I repeat it again. Freedom and respect make a country richer and healthier. A happy immigrant is a healthy individual that makes a community safer. Hatred provokes hatred and hurts everybody. Please answer to this subject and no more advertising for how wonderful Cyprus is. Irrelevant to the post.

The US is a multi ethnic country that's how she was made from the beginning. Cyprus wasn't made like that. When you go to another persons country YOU DON"T EXPECT THEM TO SPEAK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUR LANGUAGE you speak theirs.
That is one of the MOST RUDEST THINGS I EVER HEARD OF.

My aren't we high and mighty AND full of hot air to expect that.

You don't go to another country to look down on them. That's POMPOUS BEHAVIOR.

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greek wrote:

<quoted text>Listen you dickhead every sentence you post is full of sheer stupidity,Greek Cypriots hate Jews,Greek Cypriots hate Arabs,Greek Cypriots hate MAINLAND GREEKS?
Greek Cypriots are xenophobic,Greek Cyriots hate this, and Greek Cypriots hate that,
What is wrong with you anyway?

are you suffering from ADD? are you incapable of answering a simple post? You can't go around customizing questions to fit your accusations. Try to focus on the post and see if you have something worthwhile to contribute. How can a person, know every resolution and history event (Greek) ever written and still be so illiterate and inable to comprehend such a simple post? You are pathetic

[LOLOLOL]

news wrote:

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the above post has nothing to do with your response. The post is about immigrants and their rights. They are in your country to work and they should have the right to socialize and spend their free time they way they choose to. The same way you guys enjoy your little communities abroad, every other human should have the same right. You spend so much time bragging about your heritage, why shouldn't others be proud of theirs? Why force people to integrate with the Cypriots if they don't want to?
I rode the buses in Cyprus and was shocked at how the bus drivers only talk to the tourists in Greek and they get rude and angry when the tourists do not understand. How stupid is it to expect the tourists to learn the language of every country they visit, to be able to get around? Certainly in Cyprus an ex-British colony.
Why is it so important for the Cypriots that all foreigners integrate in the Cypriot society? You people, do not like foreigners, beat them up, threaten them, tell them to get the hell out of Cyprus and insult them every way possible. Even when they can legally file for citizenship, the immigration dept will deny it and in many instances throw those people in prison.
In other words, you don't like them, but still want them to distant themselves from their own kind and culture to please you?
I always said it and I repeat it again. Freedom and respect make a country richer and healthier. A happy immigrant is a healthy individual that makes a community safer. Hatred provokes hatred and hurts everybody. Please answer to this subject and no more advertising for how wonderful Cyprus is. Irrelevant to the post.

GO GET A REALITY CHECK LOUSY NEWS-------benches are hard to find everywhere in the world and bus drivers are rude evrywhere in the world.......and immigrants are treated the same evrywhere in the world they all have complaints.........and yes locals have complaints too when immigrants committ crimes not respecting the country they in or not taking care to keep it clean..........BUT YOU STILL DID NOT COMMENT WHY CYPRYUS DOING A GOOD JOB CONSIDERING 37 PERCENT OF ITS CITIES STOLEN AND 80 PERCENT OF ITS MOST PRODUCTIVE OUTPUT AND 200000 REFUGEES CYPRIOTS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY AND YOU STILL BASHING CYPRUS..........TELL US IF ANY OTHER COUNTRY WOULD DO A BETTER JOB IF 37 PERCENT STOLEN FROM THEM..........BRAVO CYPRUS NOBODY CAN MATCH YOU A SMALL COUNTRY

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Democracy United States wrote:

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The US is a multi ethnic country that's how she was made from the beginning. Cyprus wasn't made like that. When you go to another persons country YOU DON"T EXPECT THEM TO SPEAK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUR LANGUAGE you speak theirs.
That is one of the MOST RUDEST THINGS I EVER HEARD OF.
My aren't we high and mighty AND full of hot air to expect that.
You don't go to another country to look down on them. That's POMPOUS BEHAVIOR.

judging from your answer, you have never been anywhere else than Greek and English spoken countries. Shame, France, Italy, Russia, Germany, Turkey to name a few are beautiful countries and a lot of visitors go there. If you had been there, do you expect them to speak to you in their language or try to communicate with you and accommodate you as their guests? If your economy depends on tourism or want tourism in your country, accommodating them should be a priority.
As far as the immigrants are concerned, the issue is not their job or their language, is their freedom to gather in a public place.
Any opinion on that one?

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LOLOLOL wrote:

<quoted text>GO GET A REALITY CHECK LOUSY NEWS-------benches are hard to find everywhere in the world and bus drivers are rude evrywhere in the world.......and immigrants are treated the same evrywhere in the world they all have complaints.........and yes locals have complaints too when immigrants committ crimes not respecting the country they in or not taking care to keep it clean..........BUT YOU STILL DID NOT COMMENT WHY CYPRYUS DOING A GOOD JOB CONSIDERING 37 PERCENT OF ITS CITIES STOLEN AND 80 PERCENT OF ITS MOST PRODUCTIVE OUTPUT AND 200000 REFUGEES CYPRIOTS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY AND YOU STILL BASHING CYPRUS..........TELL US IF ANY OTHER COUNTRY WOULD DO A BETTER JOB IF 37 PERCENT STOLEN FROM THEM..........BRAVO CYPRUS NOBODY CAN MATCH YOU A SMALL COUNTRY

YOU FOOL, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION. THIS POST IS NOT ON PERCENTAGES OR STOLEN PROPERTIES. CONTROL YOURSELF, AND WAIT FOR THAT QUESTION. ELEMENTARY KIDS ARE MORE FOCUSED THAN YOU IDIOTS.
SHOW US ALL HOW SMART YOU ARE. GO READ THE POST FEW TIMES, SLEEP ON IT, REREAD IT AND SEE IF YOU CAN COMPREHEND THE QUESTION. IF YOU STILL WANT TO USE YOUR ANSWER, MY ADVICE IS TO REWRITE THE QUESTION TO FIT IN WITH YOUR ANSWER. PUSH THE NEW DISCUSSION BUTTON AND SHOW IT TO US ALL. CAPISCE?

[LOLOLOL]

news wrote:

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YOU FOOL, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION. THIS POST IS NOT ON PERCENTAGES OR STOLEN PROPERTIES. CONTROL YOURSELF, AND WAIT FOR THAT QUESTION. ELEMENTARY KIDS ARE MORE FOCUSED THAN YOU IDIOTS.
SHOW US ALL HOW SMART YOU ARE. GO READ THE POST FEW TIMES, SLEEP ON IT, REREAD IT AND SEE IF YOU CAN COMPREHEND THE QUESTION. IF YOU STILL WANT TO USE YOUR ANSWER, MY ADVICE IS TO REWRITE THE QUESTION TO FIT IN WITH YOUR ANSWER. PUSH THE NEW DISCUSSION BUTTON AND SHOW IT TO US ALL. CAPISCE?

THEN show us who does better..........you just a racist against the cypriots........go back to grade 1 and start lerning again you missed a lot..........

[Democracy United States]

news wrote:

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judging from your answer, you have never been anywhere else than Greek and English spoken countries. Shame, France, Italy, Russia, Germany, Turkey to name a few are beautiful countries and a lot of visitors go there. If you had been there, do you expect them to speak to you in their language or try to communicate with you and accommodate you as their guests? If your economy depends on tourism or want tourism in your country, accommodating them should be a priority.
As far as the immigrants are concerned, the issue is not their job or their language, is their freedom to gather in a public place.
Any opinion on that one?

I will speak to them in their native tongue. And you know what I'm convinced this post of yours is just another way of trying to make the greek cypriots "accept" the turkish invaders and occupiers of her country and homes.

Your trying every way possible and it just will not be that way.

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Democracy United States wrote:

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I will speak to them in their native tongue. And you know what I'm convinced this post of yours is just another way of trying to make the greek cypriots "accept" the turkish invaders and occupiers of her country and homes.
Your trying every way possible and it just will not be that way.

you are paranoiac and make it sound that me or anyone on this forum has that power or authority to a solution. What does me accepting the Turks has to do with the government's strategy or policies. I am a person and on that level I do acceptthe TCs as compatriots and respect them as people. The post is just a subject for discussion and a subject on Cyprus.

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Democracy United States wrote:

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I will speak to them in their native tongue. And you know what I'm convinced this post of yours is just another way of trying to make the greek cypriots "accept" the turkish invaders and occupiers of her country and homes.
Your trying every way possible and it just will not be that way.

This forum is on the island of Cyprus. This country, like any other country has social, economic, political, health, educational and many other issues to improve, to praise and discuss and debate. How do Cyprus, Cypriots and outsiders view these issues and howis the country dealing with them? All contributors should be welcomed because all of us have different experiences. Some live there, some visit Cyprus annually and some know about Cyprus from what they read in the papers. There is only one Cyprus but many multi-ethnic inhabitants and many others who wish to inform themselves and know more about it for different reasons. Some, might even be political science majors and specialize in the politics of the region. All debates are controversial and not a single opinion is more valid than the other. The people with more inside of the issues are really the people who live in Cyprus. Being of Greek or Cypriot origin doesn't increase anybody's chances of being right or a better debator. Knowledge of the subject is the only essential requirement in this discussion.

[Democracy United States]

news wrote:

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you are paranoiac and make it sound that me or anyone on this forum has that power or authority to a solution. What does me accepting the Turks has to do with the government's strategy or policies. I am a person and on that level I do acceptthe TCs as compatriots and respect them as people. The post is just a subject for discussion and a subject on Cyprus.

You keep throwing propaganda against the gc's left and right.