The rebirth of Greek-Turkish friendship.

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Aristodimos

Ansonia, CT

#1 Mar 3, 2013
The governments of Greece and Turkey are creating the right conditions to upgrade their economic and diplomatic relationship.

A cooperation between the two countries will have positive developments in Cyprus too.

I do believe that honey attracts more flies than vinegar.
Observer

Limassol, Cyprus

#2 Mar 4, 2013
Ari, I honestly understand your way of thinking and in a way admire your persistance to see Greece and Turkey become friends. My only disagreement with you is what you really mean by "friends". My interpretation of "friendship" between Greece and Turkey can only be established when neither country claims, demands or eyes anything that belongs to the other. Under the present situation Turkey claims our airspace, our national waters, our energy resources and violates all three of them by bullying and threatening Greece on a regular basis while at the same time is witholding half of Cyprus, taken by force from us. At the same time we demand nothing from them. We want nothing from them except return Cyprus to the Cypriots and leave us alone.
Under the described circumstances there is no foundation for friendship whatsoever. We can meet and talk eachother to death. Our PM can visit Turkey and Turkish politicians can get a Greek season ticket to travel to Greece daily and talk more. We can even reach some agreements on certain issues. We can improve tourism and trade between the two countries and yet we are nowhere near "frienship". NOWHERE AT ALL.
Because they will always claim what it is legally ours and we will not give it to them. Is this the type of friendship that we need Ari? Because this is a very fragile friendship that will explode in our faces with the first opportunity.
There is only one kind of friendship. Let them first make a public declaration that they are not claiming anything from Greece and the Greeks to do the same and then we may have a good basis on which we can build a proper type of friendship. As for us Cypriots, we want our country back to Greeks and Turkish Cypriots and get the hell out of Cyprus. After all it is the same that most of the genuine Turkish Cypriots want and talk about it openly.
Any other friendship will simply not do I am afraid as it will only be a waste of time. So my friend Ari, this is why I do not get excided with every visit of a Turkish or Greek official in eachother's countries as I know damn well that it is worth nothing.
Themistocles

Lawnton, Australia

#3 Mar 4, 2013
Observer wrote:
Ari, I honestly understand your way of thinking and in a way admire your persistance to see Greece and Turkey become friends. My only disagreement with you is what you really mean by "friends". My interpretation of "friendship" between Greece and Turkey can only be established when neither country claims, demands or eyes anything that belongs to the other. Under the present situation Turkey claims our airspace, our national waters, our energy resources and violates all three of them by bullying and threatening Greece on a regular basis while at the same time is witholding half of Cyprus, taken by force from us. At the same time we demand nothing from them. We want nothing from them except return Cyprus to the Cypriots and leave us alone.
Under the described circumstances there is no foundation for friendship whatsoever. We can meet and talk eachother to death. Our PM can visit Turkey and Turkish politicians can get a Greek season ticket to travel to Greece daily and talk more. We can even reach some agreements on certain issues. We can improve tourism and trade between the two countries and yet we are nowhere near "frienship". NOWHERE AT ALL.
Because they will always claim what it is legally ours and we will not give it to them. Is this the type of friendship that we need Ari? Because this is a very fragile friendship that will explode in our faces with the first opportunity.
There is only one kind of friendship. Let them first make a public declaration that they are not claiming anything from Greece and the Greeks to do the same and then we may have a good basis on which we can build a proper type of friendship. As for us Cypriots, we want our country back to Greeks and Turkish Cypriots and get the hell out of Cyprus. After all it is the same that most of the genuine Turkish Cypriots want and talk about it openly.
Any other friendship will simply not do I am afraid as it will only be a waste of time. So my friend Ari, this is why I do not get excided with every visit of a Turkish or Greek official in eachother's countries as I know damn well that it is worth nothing.
100% correct, there's too much Turkish bullisht going down and always has been
Aristodimos

Ansonia, CT

#4 Mar 4, 2013
Dear friends,Greece,Turkey and Cyprus at the moment have the best opportunity to build up their diplomatic and economic development.

All three governments have experienced and visionary politicians.

I believe that the relationship of all three countries are moving to the right direction.

We need to be pragmatic and realistic.

Greece and Cyprus will be the main beneficiaries of an upgrade relationship with Turkey.

Any formula has to be a win-win situation for all parties.

Don't forget that the Trojan war had lasted for over 10 years.The human and economic cost was tremendous.
Dervis Eroglu

Bromsgrove, UK

#5 Mar 4, 2013
Turkey and Greece could well be in a position to iron out their differences, now that Greece found out the hard way who her so called friends were,

TRNC have no objections, we are ready to participate
in building better relations with Greece,

Illegal ROC has a long long way to go before Turkey considers extending them an olive branch.
turkish friendship

Collierville, TN

#6 Mar 4, 2013
a well armed greece is the only thing that increases turkish friendship,,,,,,,
going my way

Union, NJ

#7 Mar 4, 2013
Dervis Eroglu wrote:
Turkey and Greece could well be in a position to iron out their differences, now that Greece found out the hard way who her so called friends were,
TRNC have no objections, we are ready to participate
in building better relations with Greece,
Illegal ROC has a long long way to go before Turkey considers extending them an olive branch.
Why does LEGAL Cyprus have a long way before Turkey offers the olive branch? What exactly has this tiny little Island Country done to mighty Turkey? SEE This mentality is what we are up against Always remember Phile Mou-A False friend can turn out to be your worse enemy
Dervis Eroglu

Bromsgrove, UK

#8 Mar 4, 2013
turkish friendship wrote:
a well armed greece is the only thing that increases turkish friendship,,,,,,,
What ever.
Observer

Limassol, Cyprus

#10 Mar 4, 2013
"Aristodimos" Dear friends,Greece,Turkey and Cyprus at the moment have the best opportunity to build up their diplomatic and economic development.
All three governments have experienced and visionary politicians.
I believe that the relationship of all three countries are moving to the right direction.
We need to be pragmatic and realistic.
Greece and Cyprus will be the main beneficiaries of an upgrade relationship with Turkey.
Any formula has to be a win-win situation for all parties.
Don't forget that the Trojan war had lasted for over 10 years.The human and economic cost was tremendous.


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Ari, eventhough we both want the same thing we see things differently. I am the pragmatist and the realist and you are the visionary and the dreamer. We both mean well no doubt but I am not so much into the idea of a lukewarm friedship, especially if it is likely to cost me an arm and a leg to attempt it.
You state that you are hoping for a win-win formula for all parties but in this case there is absolutely no such a win-win situation for all parties. Their win is our loss unless ofcoarse you mean the type of compromise that will hand them over half of what are rightfully and legally ours. And once someone accepts blackmail as a solution it is well known that this is only the beginning. Where do we stop? Where do they stop? And if this is going to be the cost why then should we give in to Turkey and not offer it to i.e. France or Britain or Germany or the US? OR calculate the cost and offer it to very top multinational oil companies that carry behind them the protection of more than one country? I'd rather do this on my own accord than accept the Turkish blackmail at gunpoint. Believe me. Such a move will be absolutely free of any human cost and the same financial cost but most importantly will safequard us from the possibility of another follow up blackmail for more, at a future date.
The Turkish mentality together with the unwillingness of the EU to offer protection to their smaller member states will give a country like Turkey the certainty to try a second blackmail. Having had the experience of violating international agreements in the past with absolutely no cost is an additional motivation.
Sorry Ari but I cannot see a win-win situation anywhere here. Please do give me an example of such a situation, I will apreciate it very much.
Democracy United States

Watseka, IL

#11 Mar 4, 2013
Turkey reminds me a retarded bully. I'm not kidding.

Someone who goes and kills you, propagandizes against you is not a friend and can never be one.
Do you understand towards some greek cypriots like Aristo they still think Greek Cyprus is the property of Turkey.

The only way they can understand that Greek Cyprus is Greek is for Greece to declare war but unfortunetely she's not facing just Turkey she's facing 2 other countries as well over Greek Cyprus, that's why it's been going on for 30 years plus now.

Greece is not scared of Turkey she is willing to fight that's how I see it.
Democracy United States

Watseka, IL

#12 Mar 4, 2013
maybe she does need to declare war to show the others that theres going to be trouble in greek Cyprus for the Turks if they don't remove their leaching selves.
Kantara2009

Turkey

#13 Mar 4, 2013
Democracy United States wrote:
maybe she does need to declare war to show the others that theres going to be trouble in greek Cyprus for the Turks if they don't remove their leaching selves.
......... Did you hear the latest news from Greece?.Muslim family just bought 3 Greek islands, for family R and R .(not Turks by the way) Qatari Emir (6 not3) 8.5 billion (that should keep the public sector in Athens in pay for a few weeks!
Democracy United States

Watseka, IL

#14 Mar 4, 2013
Kantara2009 wrote:
<quoted text>......... Did you hear the latest news from Greece?.Muslim family just bought 3 Greek islands, for family R and R .(not Turks by the way) Qatari Emir (6 not3) 8.5 billion (that should keep the public sector in Athens in pay for a few weeks!
The greek government should be arrested. They are very wrong to do that i sakatemeni. Skata stin psihitous.
Kantara2009

Turkey

#15 Mar 4, 2013
I agree with you,and where will it end!
Democracy United States

Watseka, IL

#16 Mar 4, 2013
Do they hear anyone else selling their territory? Stupid backward losers!
mkz6

Shirley, NY

#17 Mar 4, 2013
Turkish people are not the same as their goverment ,i dont know where they come these people.Turkish and Greek people can be friends .Needs lots of work but is possible .take the politicians on both sides and dump them in the middle of Aegean sea ,with a cement block tight to their legs ,both suck. sad but true,
Observer

Limassol, Cyprus

#18 Mar 4, 2013
"Democracy United States"
The greek government should be arrested. They are very wrong to do that i sakatemeni. Skata stin psihitous.

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Guys we do not have to be upset for the Greek government selling the islands to foreigners as I believe that the sale was actually a leasehold sale for a number of years, usually 100. However, if it was a freehold sale then I totally agree with you. Who gives any government the right to sell the country's sovereign property that the people have paid with their blood? Such a sale is indeed treason and the politicians who promoted it should one day answer for it, troica or no troica.
Dervis Eroglu

Bromsgrove, UK

#19 Mar 5, 2013
Democracy United States wrote:
Do they hear anyone else selling their territory? Stupid backward losers!
You know nothing about Greece, country you claim to belong to, you know jack sh*t about Cyprus you claim to be part of Greece, You proven to us time and time again that you are a dumb broad dumb as they come,

The country you immigrated to, purchased Alaska from Russia on March 30, 1867, for 7.2 million dollars. did you receive any kind of education at all?
Themistocles

Lawnton, Australia

#20 Mar 5, 2013
Dervis Eroglu wrote:
<quoted text>
You know nothing about Greece, country you claim to belong to, you know jack sh*t about Cyprus you claim to be part of Greece, You proven to us time and time again that you are a dumb broad dumb as they come,
The country you immigrated to, purchased Alaska from Russia on March 30, 1867, for 7.2 million dollars. did you receive any kind of education at all?
You just can't help being a fcuking ahssole, even when you when you're trying to make a point. Living in England should have taught you a little decorum by now, you'll always be a malaka
Dervis Eroglu

Bromsgrove, UK

#21 Mar 5, 2013
mkz6 wrote:
Turkish people are not the same as their goverment ,i dont know where they come these people.Turkish and Greek people can be friends .Needs lots of work but is possible .take the politicians on both sides and dump them in the middle of Aegean sea ,with a cement block tight to their legs ,both suck. sad but true,
cement block tight to their legs //////////

Hey Mkz6, was you around when Al Capone ruled,

Man god help the guy who upsets you,
you sitting right next to the ocean too, very convenient, Hehehe.
love you like a brother.

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