My opinion of Greek people?

My opinion of Greek people?

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Greeks are Funny thatway

Gloucester, UK

#1 Dec 6, 2012
Why don't Greek people act more like real Ottoman Greeks instead of trying to imitate Americans, Europeans and admiring others more than themselves.

sure, every culture has its beauty and there's nothing wrong with being influenced by other countries ie Americans and Europeans.. and, of course, it's perfectly fine to have an interest for foreign music,shows,films and what ever else.
what I am saying is ,,is there any music,shows, and films with Ottoman Greek flavour other then imitations of American and European stuff, it must be frustrating for most Greek people
Themistocles

Brisbane, Australia

#2 Dec 6, 2012
Greeks are Funny thatway wrote:
Why don't Greek people act more like real Ottoman Greeks instead of trying to imitate Americans, Europeans and admiring others more than themselves.
sure, every culture has its beauty and there's nothing wrong with being influenced by other countries ie Americans and Europeans.. and, of course, it's perfectly fine to have an interest for foreign music,shows,films and what ever else.
what I am saying is ,,is there any music,shows, and films with Ottoman Greek flavour other then imitations of American and European stuff, it must be frustrating for most Greek people
Thank you so much, I've been enlightened.
I'm going to call all my family and relatives about this so they can share this important information.
London Observer

Enfield, UK

#3 Dec 6, 2012
Greeks are "Indolent sloths, cheats and liars, masters of corruption"
Anonymous

Vancouver, Canada

#4 Dec 6, 2012
Quotes and sayings about Turks
William Gladstone wrote:
They [the Turks] were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went, a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view. They represented everywhere government by force, as opposed to government by law.
[QUOTE who="Cardinal Newman (1801–1890)"]The barbarian power, which has been for centuries seated in the very heart of the Old World, which has in its brute clutch the most famous countries of classical and religious antiquity and many of the most fruitful and beautiful regions of the earth... ignorantly holding in its possession one half of the history of the whole world.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE who="Voltaire (1694-1778)"]...tyrants of the women and enemies of arts...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE who="Voltaire (1694-1778), The Orient’s Christian Realm"]I wish fervently that the Turkish barbarians be chased away immediately out of the country [Greece] of Xenophon, Socrates, Plato, Sophocles and Euripides. If we wanted, it could be done soon but seven crusades of superstition have been undertaken and a crusade of honour will never take place. We know almost no city built by them; they let decay the most beautiful establishments of Antiquity, they reign over ruins.[/QUOTE]
Philipp Melanchthon wrote:
When I consider history, I find that there has been no nation that has practiced more blasphemy of God, brutally, shameful fornication, and every kind of wild and chaotic living than the Turks.
Charles Darwin wrote:
Lastly, I could show fight on natural selection having done and doing more for the progress of civilization than you seem inclined to admit. Remember what risk the nations of Europe ran, not so many centuries ago of being overwhelmed by the Turks, and how ridiculous such an idea now is! The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world.
[QUOTE who="Mark Twain, 1869"]I never disliked a Chinaman as I do these degraded Turks and Arabs, and when Russia is ready to war with them again, I hope England and France will not find it good breeding or good judgment to interfere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE who="Mark Twain, 1869"]...and lied like a Turk when he said it.[/QUOTE]
Anonymous

Vancouver, Canada

#5 Dec 6, 2012
Sayings

The term "Turk" acquired the a meaning similar to "barbarian" or "heathen" in various European languages, as evident from the following dictionary entries:

Websters New Collegiate Dictionary: "One who is cruel or tyrannical." (noted as archaic)

Concise Oxford Dictionary: "Ferocious, wild or unmanageable person."

Random House Dictionary: "A cruel, brutal and domineering man."

Many vices in the world came to be associated with the Turks as they moved westward towards Europe. The following is an incomplete list of sayings about Turks in various countries of Europe and the Middle East.
Anonymous

Vancouver, Canada

#7 Dec 6, 2012
Armenia

("Turk") is commonly used to question someone's loyalty or criticize one's moral qualities:("Are you a Turk?")

("Turk's house") is a phrase to describe disordered and a very dirty house

Austria

Die Türken kommen ("The Turks are coming") is sometimes used to describe a nearby danger, taken from the Ottoman invasions of Austria, like the Siege of Vienna

Estonia

Turklane ("a Turk") is used when calling someone uncivilized or stupid. Tura sa oled mingi turklane voi?("Damn it, are you some kind of a Turk?")

France

Turc was once used in proverbial expressions such as C'est un vray Turc ("He's a real Turk"), used to indicate that a person was harsh and pitiless.

Greece:

("He became a Turk") denotes extreme anger towards someone or because of something ("He was so angry that he resembled a Turk").

Iran

Tork-e khar ("Turkish donkey") is a derogatory joke usually directed against Turkic Azeris of Iran, Azerbaijani Turks. The derogatory term was originally started towards Ottoman Turks.

Italy

bestemmia come un Turco ("he swears like a Turk")
Mamma li Turchi!("Oh mother, the Turks are coming!") is one of the most used Italian phrase to suggest an imminent danger, as when the Ottoman Turks threatened Europe

Fumare come un Turco ("To smoke like a Turk") is a phrase that describes a person who smokes a lot.

Latvia

"Strada ka turks" ("Works like a Turk") is a phrase referring to persons who participate in long lasting or heavy manual labour. The reference is probably made to Turkish foreign workers, however Turks do not constitute a persistant or a significant diaspora of foreign workers in Latvia.

Malta:

"Tork" is someone feared and unwanted due to his nature
"Mela jien xi Tork, jew?" ("Am I a Turk, or what?") is a phrase used by someone who is left out or forgotten from a share between a group

"Tgjammed Tork!" ("A Turk was baptised!") is a phrase that is used when a rare event occurs, because a Turk turning to Christianity from Islam is seen as a rare event.

Netherlands See also:nl:Turk (scheldwoord) Turk (insult) in Dutch Wiki

"eruit zien als een Turk" ("to look like a Turk") means to be dirty, disgusting

"rijden als een Turk" ("driving like a Turk") means someone is a bad driver

For decades after the Turkish immigrants came to The Netherlands most encyclopedias and dictionairies, including the Van Dale, still referred to a Turk as someone who is dirty, barbaric and bloodthirsty, instead of someone who lives in Turkey

Norway

"Sint som en tyrker" is a saying which means "Angry like a Turk"

Romania

"Mai, turcule" (You, Turk) or "a fi turc" (to be a Turk) is an expression used to address or to refer to a person who fails to comprehend, is ignorant, stubborn or narrow-minded

"a fuma ca un turc" ("to smoke like a Turk") is an expression used to denote a person who smokes a lot

"doar nu dau/vin turcii" (roughly "Hold your horses!", literally "the Turks aren't coming[, are they?]") is an expression used to ironically calm someone's impulsiveness down

Russia

("An unwanted guest is worse than a Tatar", with Tatars being a Turkic people living in Russia).

("Turk") is commonly used to describe someone's stupidity.

Serbia (and other ex-Yugoslavia countries)

is a phrase that means "he smokes like a Turk" describing a person who smokes a lot

Palestine (and other Arabic countries)

("What, do I look like a Turk?") is an expression used with a negative connotation

("Don't let him in the house, he's a Turk") is an expression used against someone to accuse being a thief

Spain

"Turco" word that was used by some Spanish people to make disparaging remarks about a person

Bulgaria

("He is lying down like a cut Turk") is a phrase that describes a person who is very lazy.
Anonymous

Vancouver, Canada

#8 Dec 6, 2012
Within the Ottoman Empire

Within the Ottoman Empire, the name "Turk" was sometimes used to denote the Turkmen backwoodsmen, bumpkins, or the illiterate peasants in Anatolia. "Etrak-i bi-idrak", for example, was an Ottoman play on words, meaning "the ignorant Turk".

Ozay Mehmet in his book Islamic Identity and Development: Studies of the Islamic Periphery mentions:

The ordinary Turks (Turkmen) did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery. As Bernard Lewis expressed it: "in the Imperial society of the Ottomans the ethnic term Turk was little used, and then chiefly in a rather derogatory sense, to designate the Turcoman nomads or, later, the ignorant and uncouth Turkish-speaking peasants of the Anatolian villages." (Lewis 1968: 1)
In the words of a British observer of the Ottoman values and institutions at the start of the twentieth century: "The surest way to insult an Ottoman gentleman is to call him a 'Turk'. His face will straightway wear the expression a Londoner's assumes, when he hears himself frankly styled a Cockney. He is no Turk, no savage, he will assure you, but an Ottoman subject of the Sultan, by no means to be confounded with certain barbarians styled Turcomans, and from whom indeed, on the male side, he may possibly be descended."(Davey 1907: 209)

Handan Nezir Akmese is another author who describes the attempts of the Young Turk movement to ingrain nationalism among the Turkish speakers of the Ottoman empire prior to World War I.
Greeks are Funny thatway

Gloucester, UK

#9 Dec 6, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Within the Ottoman Empire
Within the Ottoman Empire, the name "Turk" was sometimes used to denote the Turkmen backwoodsmen, bumpkins, or the illiterate peasants in Anatolia. "Etrak-i bi-idrak", for example, was an Ottoman play on words, meaning "the ignorant Turk".
Ozay Mehmet in his book Islamic Identity and Development: Studies of the Islamic Periphery mentions:
The ordinary Turks (Turkmen) did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery. As Bernard Lewis expressed it: "in the Imperial society of the Ottomans the ethnic term Turk was little used, and then chiefly in a rather derogatory sense, to designate the Turcoman nomads or, later, the ignorant and uncouth Turkish-speaking peasants of the Anatolian villages." (Lewis 1968: 1)
In the words of a British observer of the Ottoman values and institutions at the start of the twentieth century: "The surest way to insult an Ottoman gentleman is to call him a 'Turk'. His face will straightway wear the expression a Londoner's assumes, when he hears himself frankly styled a Cockney. He is no Turk, no savage, he will assure you, but an Ottoman subject of the Sultan, by no means to be confounded with certain barbarians styled Turcomans, and from whom indeed, on the male side, he may possibly be descended."(Davey 1907: 209)
Handan Nezir Akmese is another author who describes the attempts of the Young Turk movement to ingrain nationalism among the Turkish speakers of the Ottoman empire prior to World War I.
Stop hijacking the whole thread, no one bothers reading it..

Yawn.

Greeks are Funny in that way..
Anonymous

Vancouver, Canada

#10 Dec 6, 2012
You might consider reading my posts, it could give you some insight about your background.

Tembele is buyur, sana akil ogretsin.

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#11 Dec 6, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Armenia
("Turk") is commonly used to question someone's loyalty or criticize one's moral qualities:("Are you a Turk?")
("Turk's house") is a phrase to describe disordered and a very dirty house
Austria
Die Türken kommen ("The Turks are coming") is sometimes used to describe a nearby danger, taken from the Ottoman invasions of Austria, like the Siege of Vienna
Estonia
Turklane ("a Turk") is used when calling someone uncivilized or stupid. Tura sa oled mingi turklane voi?("Damn it, are you some kind of a Turk?")
France
Turc was once used in proverbial expressions such as C'est un vray Turc ("He's a real Turk"), used to indicate that a person was harsh and pitiless.
Greece:
("He became a Turk") denotes extreme anger towards someone or because of something ("He was so angry that he resembled a Turk").
Iran
Tork-e khar ("Turkish donkey") is a derogatory joke usually directed against Turkic Azeris of Iran, Azerbaijani Turks. The derogatory term was originally started towards Ottoman Turks.
Italy
bestemmia come un Turco ("he swears like a Turk")
Mamma li Turchi!("Oh mother, the Turks are coming!") is one of the most used Italian phrase to suggest an imminent danger, as when the Ottoman Turks threatened Europe
Fumare come un Turco ("To smoke like a Turk") is a phrase that describes a person who smokes a lot.
Latvia
"Strada ka turks" ("Works like a Turk") is a phrase referring to persons who participate in long lasting or heavy manual labour. The reference is probably made to Turkish foreign workers, however Turks do not constitute a persistant or a significant diaspora of foreign workers in Latvia.
Malta:
"Tork" is someone feared and unwanted due to his nature
"Mela jien xi Tork, jew?" ("Am I a Turk, or what?") is a phrase used by someone who is left out or forgotten from a share between a group
"Tgjammed Tork!" ("A Turk was baptised!") is a phrase that is used when a rare event occurs, because a Turk turning to Christianity from Islam is seen as a rare event.
Netherlands See also:nl:Turk (scheldwoord) Turk (insult) in Dutch Wiki
"eruit zien als een Turk" ("to look like a Turk") means to be dirty, disgusting
"rijden als een Turk" ("driving like a Turk") means someone is a bad driver
For decades after the Turkish immigrants came to The Netherlands most encyclopedias and dictionairies, including the Van Dale, still referred to a Turk as someone who is dirty, barbaric and bloodthirsty, instead of someone who lives in Turkey
Norway
"Sint som en tyrker" is a saying which means "Angry like a Turk"
Romania
"Mai, turcule" (You, Turk) or "a fi turc" (to be a Turk) is an expression used to address or to refer to a person who fails to comprehend, is ignorant, stubborn or narrow-minded
"a fuma ca un turc" ("to smoke like a Turk") is an expression used to denote a person who smokes a lot
"doar nu dau/vin turcii" (roughly "Hold your horses!", literally "the Turks aren't coming[, are they?]") is an expression used to ironically calm someone's impulsiveness down
Russia
("An unwanted guest is worse than a Tatar", with Tatars being a Turkic people living in Russia).
("Turk") is commonly used to describe someone's stupidity.
Serbia (and other ex-Yugoslavia countries)
is a phrase that means "he smokes like a Turk" describing a person who smokes a lot
Palestine (and other Arabic countries)
("What, do I look like a Turk?") is an expression used with a negative connotation
("Don't let him in the house, he's a Turk") is an expression used against someone to accuse being a thief
Spain
"Turco" word that was used by some Spanish people to make disparaging remarks about a person
Bulgaria
("He is lying down like a cut Turk") is a phrase that describes a person who is very lazy.
Angela Merkel said"She needs some time to think about it.She said""There will be a great discount if Turkey can buy Greece too""
Ogu the Monkey

London, UK

#13 Dec 6, 2012
hahahahahaha!

Ogu Ogu Ogu

Oguz Monkey
Anonymous

Vancouver, Canada

#14 Dec 6, 2012
OguzTolga wrote:
<quoted text>
Angela Merkel said"She needs some time to think about it.She said""There will be a great discount if Turkey can buy Greece too""
Eshek oglu eshek

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#15 Dec 6, 2012
"""Pseudo Greek Cyprus State""" and ""Pseudo State who has been named -Greece- by the British Government in 1800s"""

will have their own song Contest instead of Eurovision..

The admission fee will not be Euro 100.000 but Euro 20.000 Drachmas..

The name of the song Contest will be ""Bankruptyvision Song Contest"""

The songs must be on the themes of ""BEGGING MONEY and MERCY"" from Mrs.Angela Merkel..

hehehehe
Greek Orthodox Taliban

London, UK

#16 Dec 6, 2012
Modern Greeks R religious zealots.
mkz6

Shirley, NY

#17 Dec 6, 2012
Greeks are Funny thatway wrote:
Why don't Greek people act more like real Ottoman Greeks instead of trying to imitate Americans, Europeans and admiring others more than themselves.
sure, every culture has its beauty and there's nothing wrong with being influenced by other countries ie Americans and Europeans.. and, of course, it's perfectly fine to have an interest for foreign music,shows,films and what ever else.
what I am saying is ,,is there any music,shows, and films with Ottoman Greek flavour other then imitations of American and European stuff, it must be frustrating for most Greek people
re bananokefale when the greeks had houses and heat in police democtacy theater the europeans lived in Caves in woods dont tell us we like to copy europeans ,barbarian was after european invade and steal from Greeks and romans the Fkn barbarians are civilize now ,but dont forget the barbaric genes came back in 1940 killing and cook 6 million jews ,300000 Greeks many other europeans too,an anomal is always an animal inside .Fk deutchland und in deutch fiki fiki deutchland uber alles .

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#18 Dec 7, 2012
Themistocles wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you so much, I've been enlightened.
I'm going to call all my family and relatives about this so they can share this important information.
but be careful..
Greeks can not read more than 5 lines and can not understand the matters at ones twice or 3.times.
A Turk must hit their heads to the nearest wall Ottoman way to ignate the ""grey cels""

hehehe

What is aGreek?
A British made nation without any talentor history..
Look at them,they could not run even a small country despite all the thefts,helps,free credits etc as the SPOILT KID of the Europeans even for 173 years after TURKS..

hahaha

If you believe they are the successors of the ancient people on the peninsula,Mursi and all egyptians are the successors of the Egyptian civilization..

hahahahaahaha
Dervis Eroglu

Gloucester, UK

#19 Dec 7, 2012
And Iam Jesus Christ Resurrected twice..
Themistocles

Brisbane, Australia

#20 Dec 7, 2012
OguzTolga wrote:
<quoted text>
but be careful..
Greeks can not read more than 5 lines and can not understand the matters at ones twice or 3.times.
A Turk must hit their heads to the nearest wall Ottoman way to ignate the ""grey cels""
hehehe
What is aGreek?
A British made nation without any talentor history..
Look at them,they could not run even a small country despite all the thefts,helps,free credits etc as the SPOILT KID of the Europeans even for 173 years after TURKS..
hahaha
If you believe they are the successors of the ancient people on the peninsula,Mursi and all egyptians are the successors of the Egyptian civilization..
hahahahaahaha
You're input in this matter is greatly appreciated, I wasn't aware of the points you raised. I'll save them for the family Xmas dinner and share them after a few drinks so we can all have a laugh as well.

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