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Turkish Cypriots voted for the EU . UN Annan plan?

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Billy Bunter

Wembley, UK

#1 Dec 26, 2012
How comes the Greek side are in the EU and the Turks are not.Iam British and would love the island to be as one again,the Turks have done all that is asked of them,come on you greeks play the game.
True Brit

Enfield, UK

#2 Dec 26, 2012
If you are British Billy boy, then you are misinformed!
It is the Turks who invaded and captured 1/3rd of the isand.
It is the Turks who retain an force of some 35,000 troops there.
It is the Turks who brought in more settlers than there are T/c's in order to ensure they win any referendum.(Ask any T/c)
You are wrong when you say that they have done all that is asked of them.
They have not complied with a single UN resolution.
get your facts straight old boy!!
Greeks are Funny thatway

Wembley, UK

#3 Dec 26, 2012
The Annan Plan is not pro-Turkish at all. Turkish Cypriots accepted because people there are sick and tired of being isolated, not to mention the fake atmosphere of ‘peace’ created by the sycophants of E.U. It’s clearly a treaty of “keeping up the appearances” Turkish Cypriots lose out in vital matters, for they constitute only the “20%” of the population. Whereas in civilized countries, every individual receives equal rights as the other one, just as before, Greeks seem to sentence Turkish Cypriots into a state of irreversible inferiority on the pretext of their disproportionate populations. It is always dangerous to unify two groups of people when (a) One is obviously richer than the other since TRNC has been unfairly doomed economically as a result of its isolation (b) One is exponentially greater in numbers than the other. I mean what of it, in the long run, Greeks can BUY the island if they want to. OK, there will be two virtually autonomous states, but, in practice, how will this guarantee an equal representation when those two aforementioned facts are present? Also, according to the plan, Turks AND Greeks will keep troops in the island but in very small numbers and there are restrictions put upon their activity. Which scenario seems more likely, 18%(or 20% whatever) attacking 82 %, or 82% attacking 18%? How many people would die, in a potential violence, before Turkish troops can interfere?(I’m not bothering to bring about the show piece UN soldiers that would be despatched according to the plan)

It never ceases to amaze me how people likes of above poster who are eager to show off their shallow knowledge on any given topic. There are many distorted information coming out from Greeks.
True Brit

Enfield, UK

#4 Dec 26, 2012
Any facts,If they do not favour the Turks, regardles how true they are, are lies as far as the Turks are concerned.
And there in a nutshell is the reason why Cyprus is still devided.
The turks simply want everything.
Perhaps our "learned" friend above can tell us which of the points stated in my statement are untrue?
Greeks are Funny thatway

Wembley, UK

#5 Dec 26, 2012
Here is the facts why Cyprus is divided.
1)After Papadopoulos was overthrown by Ioannidis, Athens grew highly suspicious of Makarios, who in their opinion, wanted an independent Cyprus with him as a president but not ENOSIS.

2)Greece, employing people like Grivas and Sampson, in EOKA B, overthrew Makarios and started to execute their very ingenious plan of wiping off Turks from the island once and for all. Hear it from Ioannidis, when he was an officer of the National Guard and who went to see Makarios with Sampson, year 1963-64:“Beatitude, here is the plan. To attack Turks suddenly, everywhere on the island. To eliminate them one and all”

3) Turkish Cypriots, unarmed were under another threat of ethnic cleansing ongoing for more over ten years, without Turkey's interference.

4) Days after the coup, Turkish troops land on the island whereby dividing the island helped to save Turkish Cypriots from ethnic cleansing.
Maxx

Wembley, UK

#6 Dec 26, 2012
True Brit wrote:
If you are British Billy boy, then you are misinformed!
It is the Turks who invaded and captured 1/3rd of the isand.
It is the Turks who retain an force of some 35,000 troops there.
It is the Turks who brought in more settlers than there are T/c's in order to ensure they win any referendum.(Ask any T/c)
You are wrong when you say that they have done all that is asked of them.
They have not complied with a single UN resolution.
get your facts straight old boy!!
I love it...LOVE IT how the Greek Cypriots will completely and utterly ignore and reject any chance of peace or a united Cyprus...for the sole reason of sticking it to the Turks.

that's IT,the only reason. Cyprus is the only way Greeks can 'get one over' on the Turks,u know it,i know it.

screw ur little island ur ur egotistical attitude. Cyprus is closer to turkey than it is to Greece in the first place.

i LOVE IT how Greeks play the innocent victims with this 'invasion' garbage.how many times do u need to be told? THE TURKISH ARMY SET FOOT ON CYPRUS TO PROTECT TURKS.

Turks don't give a dam what u think about that.if Turks were in danger they were going to be protected by Turkish forces,DEAL WITH IT.
Observer

Limassol, Cyprus

#7 Dec 26, 2012
"Billy Bunter" How comes the Greek side are in the EU and the Turks are not.Iam British and would love the island to be as one again,the Turks have done all that is asked of them,come on you greeks play the game.

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You have no idea about Cyprus and yet you post as if you are an expert.
Cyprus as a whole IS accepted in the EU, north and south, but Turkey has other plans. Turkey does nor allow the north part of Cyprus to join because it does not want a unified Cyprus. Never did. Turkey wants control of Cyprus, north and south.
This is to show you and the world who does not want a unified Cyprus and puts all kinds of obstacles to avoid it.
If Turkey cared for the Turkish Cypriots, it would have let them acept their EU status. But they never did. They only wanted to exploid Cyprus and use it as a leverage to blackmail the EU to accept Turkey in their ranks. It does't work like this though.
Observer

Limassol, Cyprus

#8 Dec 26, 2012
Billy, you can verify the above by joining an EU website but you have a wider problem that requires you to go back to the drawing board and begin to learn the basics about Cyprus, because you talk as if you get your information directly from a Turkish source and that source is not being honest with you as a result you are humiliating yourself by being totally ignorant on a subject you hurry to give an opinion on, and takes sides.
Trusting the Turks so easy is not such a wise thing to do Billy, unless.... you are one yourself.
greek

Bloomington, IN

#9 Dec 27, 2012
Billy Bunter wrote:
How comes the Greek side are in the EU and the Turks are not.Iam British and would love the island to be as one again,the Turks have done all that is asked of them,come on you greeks play the game.
Who divided the Island in the first place?
Again the Turks put the blame on the Greek side
And this idiot here wonders why the world will not do business with thieves
Billy Bunter

London, UK

#10 Dec 27, 2012
Observer wrote:
Billy, you can verify the above by joining an EU website but you have a wider problem that requires you to go back to the drawing board and begin to learn the basics about Cyprus, because you talk as if you get your information directly from a Turkish source and that source is not being honest with you as a result you are humiliating yourself by being totally ignorant on a subject you hurry to give an opinion on, and takes sides.
Trusting the Turks so easy is not such a wise thing to do Billy, unless.... you are one yourself.
It is no secret that Turkish and Greek Cypriots had their differences in the past, cultural. religion. language. these are the main ingredients that begs for separation
continually repeating the past wont help the island advancing forward

Putting every thing in the past to one side. there was a window of opportunity to reunite Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots took this opportunity and used it in a positive manner, they did exactly what EU. UN asked of them. I don't see why they are still being penalised.
True Brit

London, UK

#11 Dec 27, 2012
Bily.
Are you really as thick as your namesake?

You state "Turks did exactly as EU and UN asked of them"

Exactly which of the UN resolutions did they adhere to?
Observer

Limassol, Cyprus

#12 Dec 27, 2012
"Billy Bunter"
It is no secret that Turkish and Greek Cypriots had their differences in the past, cultural. religion. language. these are the main ingredients that begs for separation
continually repeating the past wont help the island advancing forward
Putting every thing in the past to one side. there was a window of opportunity to reunite Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots took this opportunity and used it in a positive manner, they did exactly what EU. UN asked of them. I don't see why they are still being penalised.

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First and foremost you are changing the subject. You have not retracted your previous inaccuracies that left you exposed.
You better read my two previous posts on this same page again and give an answer. In your place I would give an apology for either being inaccurate or for liyng. You can choose.
At the end of your post above you are wondering why the Turkish north is still being penalised. I will try to give you an answer.
The biggest problem on the application of Anan plan was the big difference in the economies of the Republic of Cyprus and the occupied north. Turkey did nothing to close that gap despide their so widely advertised prosperity, untill now. What happened instead was the closing of that gap by the Republic of Cyprus, by allowing the Greeks in the south and the Turks in the north visit eachother and trade between themselves. Thousands of Greeks from the south were visiting the Casinos in the north on a daily basis and leaving large amounds of money in the north. This and the subsities from the EU as well as the illegal developments of housing projects have closed that gap and upgraded the standard of living in the north. So, how was the north being penalised and why it is still being victimised by people like you for?
The Turkish occupied north has never had it so good economically. Their only problem was and still is, recognition! And they can get that only by the Republic of Cyprus, us, the Greek Cypriots!
Unles we sign the north will never be recognised by the rest of the world. Because if they do Pandora's box will be opened and a peresident will be established that will play havoc in many disputed areas in the world, with the stronger countries forcing their will on the smaller ones. But that signature is not negotiable.
Mkz6

Ardsley, NY

#13 Dec 27, 2012
Greeks are Funny thatway wrote:
Here is the facts why Cyprus is divided.
1)After Papadopoulos was overthrown by Ioannidis, Athens grew highly suspicious of Makarios, who in their opinion, wanted an independent Cyprus with him as a president but not ENOSIS.
2)Greece, employing people like Grivas and Sampson, in EOKA B, overthrew Makarios and started to execute their very ingenious plan of wiping off Turks from the island once and for all. Hear it from Ioannidis, when he was an officer of the National Guard and who went to see Makarios with Sampson, year 1963-64:“Beatitude, here is the plan. To attack Turks suddenly, everywhere on the island. To eliminate them one and all”
3) Turkish Cypriots, unarmed were under another threat of ethnic cleansing ongoing for more over ten years, without Turkey's interference.
4) Days after the coup, Turkish troops land on the island whereby dividing the island helped to save Turkish Cypriots from ethnic cleansing.
let me tell you about junta I was in when took power in 1967 April .Stylianos Patakos was in charge colonel of the tank units by gudi outskirts of Athens .and if Patakos was on power on 1974 I'm 100/100 turkey wouldn't get away with this crop .pstskos had no fear of no one fought on communist war ..was replace by the military police colonel ESA .becsuse was an easy puppet for US .I see Patakos a bold giant sky high you wouldn't f with him .now enjoy what you stole .for now ,if you want to know about junta ask most people in Greece don't even know what really happen I can't expect you to
Kmow
Observer

Limassol, Cyprus

#14 Dec 27, 2012
........2.
So, Turkey did not help the north's economy in all those years. Then please let us know why did they invade "to save the T/C's" as they keep claiming?
Since they claim they have money to burn? I will tell you why. Because they invaded to take whatever the T/C's had and exploid them and not to spend money on them. Also, to use the north to control the south, which was Kemal's Attaturk plan since the nineteen fourties.
Please will you tell us why does the EU sends subsities to the Turkish north? Because they have included the north in the entry of Cyprus in their ranks. Because EU has accepted ALL of Cyprus as a member. Only, this interferes with the plans that Turkey has for Cyprus and therefore they are forcing the T/C occupied north keep outside the EU untill a Turkish solution is reached between the north and the south, one that will fit their long existing plans, playing the card of the poor north being penalised by the cruel world.
There are now about 750.000 Turks in the north and less than one third of them are Turkish Cypriots. The rest are Turks from Turkey, about 500.000 of them, that run the big bussines, the land development of the stolen properties, the government,and everything worth running. The T/C's could not take that. About 60% of them fled their homes and their occupiers and went abroad and some thousands chose to live in the south together with their Greek Cypriot countrymen!! where they still are and raising their families. This should mean something to the rest of the world. And it does.
I can expand on this but it is so bloody obvious what is happening in Cyprus that I do not want to be tiring.
Billy Bunter

London, UK

#15 Dec 27, 2012
Observer wrote:
"Billy Bunter"
It is no secret that Turkish and Greek Cypriots had their differences in the past, cultural. religion. language. these are the main ingredients that begs for separation
continually repeating the past wont help the island advancing forward
Putting every thing in the past to one side. there was a window of opportunity to reunite Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots took this opportunity and used it in a positive manner, they did exactly what EU. UN asked of them. I don't see why they are still being penalised.
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First and foremost you are changing the subject. You have not retracted your previous inaccuracies that left you exposed.
You better read my two previous posts on this same page again and give an answer. In your place I would give an apology for either being inaccurate or for liyng. You can choose.
At the end of your post above you are wondering why the Turkish north is still being penalised. I will try to give you an answer.
The biggest problem on the application of Anan plan was the big difference in the economies of the Republic of Cyprus and the occupied north. Turkey did nothing to close that gap despide their so widely advertised prosperity, untill now. What happened instead was the closing of that gap by the Republic of Cyprus, by allowing the Greeks in the south and the Turks in the north visit eachother and trade between themselves. Thousands of Greeks from the south were visiting the Casinos in the north on a daily basis and leaving large amounds of money in the north. This and the subsities from the EU as well as the illegal developments of housing projects have closed that gap and upgraded the standard of living in the north. So, how was the north being penalised and why it is still being victimised by people like you for?
The Turkish occupied north has never had it so good economically. Their only problem was and still is, recognition! And they can get that only by the Republic of Cyprus, us, the Greek Cypriots!
Unles we sign the north will never be recognised by the rest of the world. Because if they do Pandora's box will be opened and a peresident will be established that will play havoc in many disputed areas in the world, with the stronger countries forcing their will on the smaller ones. But that signature is not negotiable.
I don't know where you are going with this,

Please don't get me wrong I would like to see Cyprus reunite once again,
I have been to both sides of the island. I think it's a shame
that Greek Cypriots chose to reject Annan plan.

I remember very well the referendum held on Annan plan
I remember EU. UN and almost every country was very upset and disappointed with the Greek Cypriots no decision , but they parsed the Turkish Cypriots positive yes to peace and unity,

Let's be realistic here!! from what I observed when over in Turkish Cyprus, I can tell you this much, Turkish Cypriots are not about to give back anything that they took, and no power on earth would force them to give up what they occupy now,
hopefully some day in the future Cypriot people can leave their differences behind and coexist together on this small island called Cyprus.

lolololol OK

Collierville, TN

#16 Dec 27, 2012
Billy Bunter wrote:
How comes the Greek side are in the EU and the Turks are not.Iam British and would love the island to be as one again,the Turks have done all that is asked of them,come on you greeks play the game.
------ok so it is a game to you that the greekcypriots dont get back their stolen cypriot cities according to the bannanan plan..........more like u should learn to respect democracy and the majority vote,,,,,,,go have a bannanan........AFTER all YOU are british and have full democracy and the EU is a democracy so why cyprus no allowed to have full democracy,,,,,,,,,
Greeks are Funny thatway

London, UK

#17 Dec 27, 2012
Observer wrote:
........2.
So, Turkey did not help the north's economy in all those years. Then please let us know why did they invade "to save the T/C's" as they keep claiming?
Since they claim they have money to burn? I will tell you why. Because they invaded to take whatever the T/C's had and exploid them and not to spend money on them. Also, to use the north to control the south, which was Kemal's Attaturk plan since the nineteen fourties.
Please will you tell us why does the EU sends subsities to the Turkish north? Because they have included the north in the entry of Cyprus in their ranks. Because EU has accepted ALL of Cyprus as a member. Only, this interferes with the plans that Turkey has for Cyprus and therefore they are forcing the T/C occupied north keep outside the EU untill a Turkish solution is reached between the north and the south, one that will fit their long existing plans, playing the card of the poor north being penalised by the cruel world.
There are now about 750.000 Turks in the north and less than one third of them are Turkish Cypriots. The rest are Turks from Turkey, about 500.000 of them, that run the big bussines, the land development of the stolen properties, the government,and everything worth running. The T/C's could not take that. About 60% of them fled their homes and their occupiers and went abroad and some thousands chose to live in the south together with their Greek Cypriot countrymen!! where they still are and raising their families. This should mean something to the rest of the world. And it does.
I can expand on this but it is so bloody obvious what is happening in Cyprus that I do not want to be tiring.
I will destroy your argument with just a few words,

Turkish Cypriots with some influence from Ankara
said yes to Annan plan. had the Greek Cypriots done the same
we would have had united Cyprus today.

So who is hell bent on keeping Cyprus divided?

Greeks are Funny thatway

London, UK

#18 Dec 27, 2012
lolololol OK wrote:
<quoted text>------ok so it is a game to you that the greekcypriots dont get back their stolen cypriot cities according to the bannanan plan..........more like u should learn to respect democracy and the majority vote,,,,,,,go have a bannanan........AFTER all YOU are british and have full democracy and the EU is a democracy so why cyprus no allowed to have full democracy,,,,,,,,,
Why you no read 1960 London agreement-------- why you want to hijack Cyprus wit a majority vote........, what happen to Turkish partners rights???????? why you want to change the agreement to suit you only,,,,,,,, go have 2 bananas,,,,,,,,and think about it<<<<<<< <<<.

Greeks are Funny in that way
Funny your way

Collierville, TN

#19 Dec 27, 2012
Greeks are Funny thatway wrote:
<quoted text>
Why you no read 1960 London agreement-------- why you want to hijack Cyprus wit a majority vote........, what happen to Turkish partners rights???????? why you want to change the agreement to suit you only,,,,,,,, go have 2 bananas,,,,,,,,and think about it<<<<<<< <<<.
Greeks are Funny in that way
.......more like u funny---cyprus constitution u say already turkey pushing for division breaking many articles in the constitution from the start like for example article 10 turks not contributing to state taxes greeks ended up paying all taxes ;;;the article to live anywhere but turkey forced segregated villages;;;;; or article 19 freedom of speech-------ARTICLES--- http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/cy00000_.html AND YET U EVEN DONT RESPECT THAT ARTICLE CAUSE IN 1962-------
NOT funny that way

Collierville, TN

#20 Dec 27, 2012
Funny your way wrote:
<quoted text>.......more like u funny---cyprus constitution u say already turkey pushing for division breaking many articles in the constitution from the start like for example article 10 turks not contributing to state taxes greeks ended up paying all taxes ;;;the article to live anywhere but turkey forced segregated villages;;;;; or article 19 freedom of speech-------ARTICLES--- http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/cy00000_.html AND YET U EVEN DONT RESPECT THAT ARTICLE CAUSE IN 1962-------
cause when article 19 FREEDOM OF SPEECH is not respected then in general the whole constitution is not respected as how the turks disrespected other minorities they ethnically cleansed in 1974 along with the majority greeks example latins maronites armenians,,, 1962--------- http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/2012/12-0...

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