Serbs brutally gang rape Croatian girl

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no-more-serbs

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Aug 2, 2008
For 24-year-old Marija, an ethnic Croat virgin living in northern Bosnia, wartime rape was even more prolonged and brutal. For two months she was held in a Serb brothel-camp and raped daily by five or six men.

Captured during an afternoon walk near her village in northern Bosnia last autumn, Marija was imprisoned in a small room in a house in Obudovac and abused each evening by Serb irregulars. From other rooms she could hear the screams of other women, but never saw them.

When she was released in a prisoner exchange earlier this month, she was pregnant.

An abortion was performed last week, and Marija has gone to live with her sister near Zagreb. Her most fervent wish is that her boyfriend -- serving with the Bosnian Croat forces -- not find out what happened to her, so they can still get married.

Dr. Veselko Grizelj, her gynecologist, shakes his head sadly as he recalls her words.

"I don't think she can go on to have normal sexual relations with her boyfriend," he says.
http://www.peacewomen.org/news/BosniaHerzegov...
koolman

Fort Lee, NJ

#2 Aug 2, 2008
i never understood how someone could just humiliate a woman like that!!

it's just absolutely unethical,nor is it easy to even talk about "shake's my head"

let's all pray,and take a moment of silence out for these victom's

let's all hope that these "bastard children become "doctor's,lawyer's firefighter's,or hair dresser's,massage threpist's,and not criminal's or suicide bomber's!!!

may god help them all

bok
no-more-serbs

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Oct 11, 2008
koolman wrote:
i never understood how someone could just humiliate a woman like that!!
it's just absolutely unethical,nor is it easy to even talk about "shake's my head"
let's all pray,and take a moment of silence out for these victom's
let's all hope that these "bastard children become "doctor's,lawyer's firefighter's,or hair dresser's,massage threpist's,and not criminal's or suicide bomber's!!!
may god help them all
bok
they are Serbs, no humanity
max

Carmel, NY

#4 Oct 11, 2008
these unimaginable acts should constantly remind croatians that serbs do not belong in croatia,they can never b trusted,the croats that talk about forgetting the war and atrocities and to forgive and forget is the biggest betrayal to these victims at the hands of the serbs,I will never forgive or forget..Croatia is free,but the problem is many forget what it cost us,every young croat or non serb that doesnt know because they were too young or not even born should be reminded by these horrific acts,so that they know very well who is living next door,we have been enemies for centuries and the 20th century saw the most hatred among us,as history proves we have always fought with eachother which means we might have to stand up and defend the daughters and sons of Croatia again,we have a strong army now and that puts me at ease a bit,because if there is a next time,we will build a Dozens of Jasenovac camps..u cant talk to racist serbs because they are hard muleheaded,and the only way to make them understand is a fkn bullet in their head,srbe na vrbe
Serbian warrior

Hungary

#6 Oct 12, 2008
max wrote:
these unimaginable acts should constantly remind croatians that serbs do not belong in croatia,they can never b trusted,the croats that talk about forgetting the war and atrocities and to forgive and forget is the biggest betrayal to these victims at the hands of the serbs,I will never forgive or forget..Croatia is free,but the problem is many forget what it cost us,every young croat or non serb that doesnt know because they were too young or not even born should be reminded by these horrific acts,so that they know very well who is living next door,we have been enemies for centuries and the 20th century saw the most hatred among us,as history proves we have always fought with eachother which means we might have to stand up and defend the daughters and sons of Croatia again,we have a strong army now and that puts me at ease a bit,because if there is a next time,we will build a Dozens of Jasenovac camps..u cant talk to racist serbs because they are hard muleheaded,and the only way to make them understand is a fkn bullet in their head,srbe na vrbe
ur army maybe stronger these days but it will never match the serbian force so you can only dream about defeating us in war vukovar proved how dominant and powerful we serbs were and long live serbian nationalists i cant really say im one because i don't hate all croats but i do hate the shit out of all u little racist ustasa computer geeks who have got nothin better to do in their lives than get lippy on the internet and be mean to people who never did fuck all to them ur all weak little wannabe nazis who will one day be sorry that they ever said a single word against serbs

Since: Oct 08

Belgrade, Serbia

#7 Oct 12, 2008
am on side Serbian worior, and all thet he sad is true... Well max, you people take a war with our country, but WHY???... congratulation on yours vitory, but much stafs did not may happens it thet war, from bouth size...
To get a Serbian heartstone, Republic Srbian Krajina... Why, Slovenia did`t wat wih us??? Because she did not wot to take something what wasnt hers... you had to do the same, Why you didnt... Just take out from Feredation, is more untroubled way... But thet happens many years ago, so u take a victory, so enjoy in yours wonderland, and it is not necessarily to take this story again to tolk about it, because this memory is frees in bouth side... Always will be that person who be sensible of story in war... Many of them low somebody...:(

Since: Oct 08

Belgrade, Serbia

#8 Oct 12, 2008
For 24-year-old Marija, an ethnic Croat virgin living in northern Bosnia, wartime rape was even more prolonged and brutal. For two months she was held in a Serb brothel-camp and raped daily by five or six men.

but the news is terible.. everyvre is sick people so there is and sick Serbs.... But the world take only a bad news about Serbs, that is vety nown here... Balkan peole are always guilty in eyes of world, thet is ours reputacion... Take in prison for 20 years, no les...
max

Carmel, NY

#9 Oct 14, 2008
Serbian warrior wrote:
<quoted text>ur army maybe stronger these days but it will never match the serbian force so you can only dream about defeating us in war vukovar proved how dominant and powerful we serbs were and long live serbian nationalists i cant really say im one because i don't hate all croats but i do hate the shit out of all u little racist ustasa computer geeks who have got nothin better to do in their lives than get lippy on the internet and be mean to people who never did fuck all to them ur all weak little wannabe nazis who will one day be sorry that they ever said a single word against serbs
u killed injured croats in hospital,is that neighborly,we held 3 months with slingshots
max

Carmel, NY

#10 Oct 14, 2008
Wow i ja Pancevci wrote:
am on side Serbian worior, and all thet he sad is true... Well max, you people take a war with our country, but WHY???... congratulation on yours vitory, but much stafs did not may happens it thet war, from bouth size...
To get a Serbian heartstone, Republic Srbian Krajina... Why, Slovenia did`t wat wih us??? Because she did not wot to take something what wasnt hers... you had to do the same, Why you didnt... Just take out from Feredation, is more untroubled way... But thet happens many years ago, so u take a victory, so enjoy in yours wonderland, and it is not necessarily to take this story again to tolk about it, because this memory is frees in bouth side... Always will be that person who be sensible of story in war... Many of them low somebody...:(
hey,i dont think all serbs r bad BUT u serbs in cro and bosna r 100 percent cetnik racists,and dont tell me no,u ppl in belgrade i could care less
feniks

Sydney, Australia

#11 Oct 14, 2008
during the war there where thousandas of women that were raped, Croat, bosnian, serb, why is this one victim more important then other victims?
is it because shes croatian??

Since: Mar 08

Toronto, Canada

#12 Oct 14, 2008
Who said she was more important than other victims but is she any less important because she is Croatian?
max

Carmel, NY

#13 Oct 14, 2008
feniks wrote:
during the war there where thousandas of women that were raped, Croat, bosnian, serb, why is this one victim more important then other victims?
is it because shes croatian??
ok feniks,i had enuff,u will never think....this is the DEAL,serbs agressed on slovenia,no big deal,then CRoatia,alot of croats,not ustasas died for Free Croatia,U hate Tudjman,if anything we "so called Ustasas" should have hated this former partizan,HOWEVER he woke up and had our support,he devoted his presidency for Free Croatia,but u and anti-Croats call him nationalistic dictator...What was milosevic and the other serb war criminals?,then in BiH many more non-serbs were killed and raped and displaced...this is just serb terror,now fasrtforward to 1999,in kosovo,howcome slobodan couldnt sit down and negotiate in croatia,BiH and especially kosovo,90 percent albanan,look what they did to civilians in kosovo,if they werent doing such evil shi- they would not have bombed belgrade and maybe today serbs would have some of kosovo,but serbs drew FIRST BLOOD IN ALL BALKANS and they wanted all,even crna gora wanted to stay away from milosevic,this is why I dont understand why serbs kept pushing,they lost a lot but only to blame themselves(milosevic) supporters,but yet u feniks just call me ustasa,i dont mention ustasa,only when serbs come here to instigate,I am not on serb forum posting USTASA this and that,but u seem to just hate me,thats fine,but serbs crossed the line years b4 what they did in kosovo and they needed to be bombed way b4 1999,we dont talk about ustasa in nY,if they do its only about ww2 and ustasa abroad that r dying or dead,u should visit hercegovina,and I promise u,that the croats there will welcome u regardless of ur political beliefs,they will shelter u and feed u if u needed it,we r very welcoming ppl,just as long as no one tries to kill our children or take our land,u should be able to comprehend that,u r not stupid,and u know I am right...If not for Tudjman what would be situation there today
max

Carmel, NY

#14 Oct 14, 2008
Hrvatica wrote:
Who said she was more important than other victims but is she any less important because she is Croatian?
Exactly...but the truth is that this was a serb terror tactic esp against unarmed helpless muslims,they would rape women in front of their families,is this not a reason in itself to stand up and fight against serbs,regardless if moslem or croat rape victims,cetnik serbs started the atrocities in vinkovci and vukovar,and then in Bjelinja,BiH,thanx to that animal arkan,and look where he is now
max

Carmel, NY

#15 Oct 14, 2008
Wow i ja Pancevci wrote:
am on side Serbian worior, and all thet he sad is true... Well max, you people take a war with our country, but WHY???... congratulation on yours vitory, but much stafs did not may happens it thet war, from bouth size...
To get a Serbian heartstone, Republic Srbian Krajina... Why, Slovenia did`t wat wih us??? Because she did not wot to take something what wasnt hers... you had to do the same, Why you didnt... Just take out from Feredation, is more untroubled way... But thet happens many years ago, so u take a victory, so enjoy in yours wonderland, and it is not necessarily to take this story again to tolk about it, because this memory is frees in bouth side... Always will be that person who be sensible of story in war... Many of them low somebody...:(
well look,this is croat forum,o.k.,and yes i am sometimes sounding like a parrot repeating same B.S. over and over that falls on deaf ears,i used to go to serb forum and hate because of all the hate u serbs were writing about us,but now i dont bother nor do i care for what hard core serbs have to say,if i read it,i will react,so I avoid the serb forum period..But when hardcore serbs come here with B.S. of course I will confront head on..I can be civilized with serbs BUT I can also be ur worst enemy in a heartbeat,i try to be goodhearted but never lasts because of instigators,I was guilty of instigating on serb forum,i admit that,but no more,and as for talking about the croat and BiH war u dont have a clue why I have to respond to anything that is B.S.,because me and my family were very involved both in Croatia proper and HB,and I wont go any deeper than that...
max

Carmel, NY

#17 Oct 14, 2008
Wow i ja Pancevci wrote:
am on side Serbian worior, and all thet he sad is true... Well max, you people take a war with our country, but WHY???... congratulation on yours vitory, but much stafs did not may happens it thet war, from bouth size...
To get a Serbian heartstone, Republic Srbian Krajina... Why, Slovenia did`t wat wih us??? Because she did not wot to take something what wasnt hers... you had to do the same, Why you didnt... Just take out from Feredation, is more untroubled way... But thet happens many years ago, so u take a victory, so enjoy in yours wonderland, and it is not necessarily to take this story again to tolk about it, because this memory is frees in bouth side... Always will be that person who be sensible of story in war... Many of them low somebody...:(
there u go...U say why croatia make war with serbia,I thought that all u serbs say it wasnt serbia in war but untrained volunteers,bums...U see,u r provoking,i guess its ur nature,y dont u come to adriatic sea next summer and have a swim and fkn relax and look at some naked tourists,instead of hating and instigating
Serbian warrior

Baghdad, Iraq

#18 Oct 15, 2008
max wrote:
<quoted text>u killed injured croats in hospital,is that neighborly,we held 3 months with slingshots
wot an unbelivable liar u are typical croat u fib all the time and im supposed to believe wot u dickheads say who were the ones that got wooped and owned by serbia and cant help but lie about that i wudn't be so negative about ur weapons because u had pretty decent ones too why else wud it of taken serbia 3 months but i hope u use slingshots as ur major weapons in the next war because then serbia can finally destroy ur pathetic country altogether and were u by any chance firing little pebbles at serbs at the time
Serbian warrior

Baghdad, Iraq

#19 Oct 15, 2008
max wrote:
<quoted text>there u go...U say why croatia make war with serbia,I thought that all u serbs say it wasnt serbia in war but untrained volunteers,bums...U see,u r provoking,i guess its ur nature,y dont u come to adriatic sea next summer and have a swim and fkn relax and look at some naked tourists,instead of hating and instigating
slingshot trooper ha ha ha
Barca zauvijek

Spain

#20 Oct 15, 2008
Serbian warrior wrote:
<quoted text>wot an unbelivable liar u are typical croat u fib all the time and im supposed to believe wot u dickheads say who were the ones that got wooped and owned by serbia and cant help but lie about that i wudn't be so negative about ur weapons because u had pretty decent ones too why else wud it of taken serbia 3 months but i hope u use slingshots as ur major weapons in the next war because then serbia can finally destroy ur pathetic country altogether and were u by any chance firing little pebbles at serbs at the time
Keep babbling you little primitive monkey,we had already proved our determination in Vukovar, and hundred of other places ...What about you??? Zapamti bre samo mi treba 3 dana za cistiti Hrvatsku od vas.
feniks

Sydney, Australia

#22 Oct 15, 2008
napisao sam malo poduzi teksta kao odgovor na Maksovo pitanje o Tudmanu,, ovo sigurno vec znaju neki ljudi na ovom forumu ali znam kako vas ima previse koji nemate pojma zbog kakvih je okolnosti doslo do rata, ako vam je iskreno stalo do zrtve domovinskog rata procitati cete ovaj tekst do kraja...

Postavlja se pitanje zasto bi itko isao procesuirati i suditi onima koji su jedino htjeli Hrvatsku osamostaliti odnosno izvesti je iz savezne drzave, sto je bio sasvim legitimni cilj. Ono sto je sporno je legalnost takvog procesa, jer je pravo na smoopredjeljenje do otcijepljenja spomenuto tek u preambuli Ustava SFRJ iz 1974., a u normativnom njegovom dijelu nema niti jednog clanka koji bi o tome govorio. Dakle to pravo je bilo deklarativno i u praksi neostvarivo legalnim putem.

Otkuda uopce potreba za razdruzivanjem iz savezne drzave koja je, sto se zastite sastavnica tice imala ugradene elemente konfederalizma, tako da su se sve odluke koje su zadirale u prava i obaveze clanica federacije donosile konsenzusom u Vijecu republika i pokrajina Skupstine Jugoslavije?

SFRJ nikad nije bila monolit, ali se zasnivala na tri glavna koheziona faktora Josipu Brozu Titu, SKJ i JNA.

Sve vrijeme postojnja Jugoslavije postojalo je trvenje medu sastavnicama federacije, prvo zato jer Drugi svjetski rat na jugoslavenskim prostorima nikad nije zavrsen, a drugo radi neprekidnog subverzivnog djelovanmja nacional-sovinistickih snaga posebno u Hrvatskoj i Srbiji i trece radi silnog nezadovoljstva u Srbiji radi njenog teritorijalnog ustrojstva s dvije autonomne pokrajine, koje su si tokom vremena uzele prerogative drzave, na sto nisu imale pravo, jer je to pravo priznato samo republikama.

Vec za vriijeme Titove bolesti pocele su rasprave o potrebi redizajna SFRJ sa Srbijanske strane u smislu jedinstvene Srbije, a sa Hrvatske i Slovenske strane u smislu jacanja konfederalnih prava.

Cjeloviti srbijanski zahtjeve i pravci djelovanja obznanjeni su u cuvenom Memorandumu SANU, a na politickoj sceni jasno ih je inaugurirao Slobodan Milosevic.

SKJ, koji ni sam nije bio monolitan, vec takoder federaliziran I bez Tita, jednostavno nema snage da adekvatno, s pozicija jasnog jugoslavenskog opredjeljenja, energicno odgovori i bar pokusa sprijeciti te po federaciju pogubne tendencije.

Slijedi Milosevicev zahtjev za preuredenje SFRJ u "modernu federaciju" po principu "jedan covjek, jedan glas", sto je ustvari bilo nastojanje za ustrojstvo Jugoslavije kao unitarne drzave pod srpskom dominacijom. To bi bio takav korak unatrag da ga druge republike jednostavno nisu mogle prihvatiti, jer bi to za njih znacilo gubitak drzavnosti i prava na izvorni suverenitet uz gubitak mogucnosti zastite svojih interesana saveznoj razini, jer bi se sve odluke donosile bez instituta konsenzusa, dakle preglasavanjem, a to znaci u interesu najbrojnijeg naroda.
feniks

Sydney, Australia

#23 Oct 15, 2008
nastavak slijedi ...
Sve to na kraju dovodi do faktickog raspada SKJ kad delegacije slovenskih i hrvatskih komunista napustaju 14. izvanredni kongres SKJ. Tako ej nestao i drugi kohezioni faktor SFRJ. Ostala je samo JNA, a vojska vec i zbog svojeg ustrojstva sama ne moze drzavu drzati na okupu.
Ipak zivot nije stao, ubrzano se krece u demokratizaciju drustva pripremaju se, poslije 50 godina, prvi slobodni izbori, za koje je izgleda, bar sto se Hrvatske tice, najspremnija proustaska i protujugoslavenska emigracija. Ona je dugi niz godian bila u potrazi za svopjim kandidatom koji bi na slobodnim izborima mogao pobijediti, u tom djelovanju apsolutno najaktivniji bio je franjevacki punkt u Norvalu. I oni su nepogresivo pronasli kandidata prihvatljivog i "ustaskoj" i "partizanskoj" Hrvatskoj, "disidenta" Franju Tudmana, kojemu je pruzana sva logisticka i novcana pomoc samo da se docepa vlasti, a onad da se krene u 'proces lustracije, ali ne komunista, vec Srba u Hrvatskoj.
Tudman je svoju misju ozbiljno shvatio i odmah po dolasku na vlast pocinje s programom koji mora dovesti do smanjenja broja Srba u Hrvatskoj na "prihvatljivu" razinu. S jedne strane zaglusujuca velikosrpska propaganda i program "svi Srbi u jednoj drzavi" (kao da to nisu bili u SFRJ), a s druge proustaske najave "gustih magli", "vrba" i granica na Drini", koje prate maltretiranja i otpustanja Srba s posla, dovode do pobune Srba u Hrvatskoj. Vec u sijecnju 1991. pojavili su se tzv. eskadroni smrti, koji su vrsljali ne samo po Krajini sijuci medu Srbima paniku i strah.
Sam Tudman, nedouceni karijerist, koji je uvjeren u svoje poslanje pogresno misli da politikom toplo-hladno moze stvari drzati pod kontrolom, iako ni sam nije bas nacisto kojom "tehnologijom" istjerati bar polovicu Srba iz Hrvatske. I tu mu dolazi spas u obliku Slobodana Milosevica, koji dobro zna da Tudmanu smetaju Srbi, a njemu bi mogli dobro doci da ih naseli na Kosovo i dodatno destabilizira prilike u Pokrajini, kako bi onda represijom mogao "spasavati" Kosovo za Srbiju, dobivati glasove Srbijanaca i tako opstajati na vlasti. To je tog 25. ozujka 1991. Milosevic predlozio Tudmanu, nudeci mu u paketu i priliku da zajednicki podijele BiH. Kao sredstvo za provodenje toga cilja dogovoren je rat, jer samo rat moze prouzro&#269;iti dovoljno straha da natjera veliki broj ljudi na napustanje svojih domova i trazenje spasa u kakvoj-takvoj sigurnosti. Na sastanku u Tikvesu 15. travnja 1991. Milosevic i Tudman pertfektuirali su sve oko podjele BiH i rat je mogao poceti. Tudman, bez vojne sile, ima namjeru oformiti stranacku vojsku HDZ-a, naoruzavajuci njegovo clanstvo, ali situaciju mu kvari i dodatno komplicira D. Paraga osnivanjem paravojnog HOS-a, stranacke vojske HSP-a, vojnicki potpuno bezvrijednog, ali silno stetnog na propagandnoj razini.
Kako za ozbiljne ratne sukobe medu pripadnicima hrvatskog i srpskog naroda ne postoji dovoljno mrznje, jedna i druga strana pocinju ciniti zvjerstva kako bi se razina mrznje podigla, a rat mogao "komfornije" voditi.
Detalji dogovora dvojice zlotvora nisu naravno smjeli postati javna svojina, javna retorika bila je sasvim druga i drugacija, pa je s hrvatske strane sve detalje znao, pretpostavljam, jedino G. Susak, a sa srpske general J. Stanisic.
Svi drugi su znali samo poneki od fragmenata dogovora iz Karadordeva i Tikvesa, koji su imali za cilj uspostavu etnicki ciscih Velike Srbije i Velike Hrvatske na racun susjedne BiH.
Dakle za sud u den Haagu mogli su, kao pokretaci zlocinackog pothvata, biti zanimljivi jedino Milosevic i Tudman i uz njih J. Stanisic i G. Susak, koji su se dobrovoljno prihvatili provodenja plana "Humano preseljenje naroda i razmjena teritorija", sto je bio eufemisticki naziv za izgon Srba iz Hrvatske, etnicka ciscenja i podjelu BiH.

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