China cracks down on African immigrants and traders

Oct 7, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Guardian Unlimited

Guangzhou has drawn hundred of thousands of people from the continent. Now harassment and prejudice is widespread An woman walks with her child through a street near Xiaobei Rd, where many of Guangzhou's African migrants live.

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Rapoliete

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Obama's half-brother Mark lives in my city in China with his Chinese wife. Go figure.
Lucky you.
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Lucky you.
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Rapoliete

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You too.
Not me. Obama and his wife do not live in my country

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Not me. Obama and his wife do not live in my country
Lucky you!
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welcome
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Apr 10, 2012
 
I wished the Italian government had followed China footsteps. The Africans illegal immigrants are out of control in Italy and I hate it.
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lol
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Apr 12, 2012
 
African Perceptions of Chinese in South Africa

In an effort to understand local perceptions of the Chinese in southern Africa, my research team administered approximately 300 questionnaires, 100 of which were implemented within the University of Johannesburg (UJ) community and the other 200 across Johannesburg and Soweto.

A preliminary review of the survey data indicates that South Africans generally have a well-rounded view of the Chinese. For example, close to half of the UJ respondents agreed that Chinese small business helps South Africa generally, but with some costs. For example, some stated that the Chinese help to create jobs, but often employees must endure long hours and low pay. Others explained that the Chinese assist in bringing in consumer goods but “kill” some local businesses.

The vast majority of the UJ survey respondents indicated that they saw the Chinese as hardworking (64 percent), disciplined (49 percent), and friendly (57 percent). A smaller number stated that the Chinese were business-minded (10 percent) and smart, wise, or intelligent (8 percent). An even smaller proportion of the respondents described the Chinese as unfriendly (4 percent); shady,“crooks & capitalists,” or “snakes”(3 percent); and arrogant (1 percent).

Qualitative interviews with South African leaders and decisionmakers also revealed that most middle aged and older black South Africans in many parts of the country recalled generally pleasant encounters with Chinese South African shopkeepers from their youth. Often the Chinese were described as kind people who engaged with the local community, learned at least a few words of the local language, and would provide credit for groceries and sundries.

Many younger white South Africans recalled the handful of Chinese South Africans with whom they went to school; these, too, were generally neutral or good memories. Given the generally neutral to positive relations with Chinese South Africans, it would appear that unless one had a bad personal experience with a Chinese person, the average South African was willing to give the benefit of the doubt. However, few were ever able to distinguish between a person from China, Taiwan, Japan, or Korea.

This is not to say that the Chinese are welcomed with open arms into general South African society, if such can even be said to exist. Even 17 years after the end of apartheid, South Africa continues to be extremely divided along lines of race, ethnicity, and class. The negative reaction to the initial announcement of CASA's victory in their affirmative action case against the South African government is one indication that most South Africans remain highly confused and conflicted about how the Chinese fit into South African society.

http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/d...
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Question and Answers About Chinese People in South Africa

Submitted by Eric Olander on May 7, 2010

The Dutch-based new media organization Couscous Global recently posted an interesting little gem of a video on You Tube that asks young South Africans to express how they feel about the country’s Chinese population. It opens with a young Chinese guy asking the question in English and then turns to a racially diverse group of South African teenagers for their responses. On the surface, it just sounds like kids giggling and fumbling through their answers. Yet there were some very interesting, and extremely important, points they used to explain why they get along quite well with Chinese immigrants.

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The first young person to answers explains how when she goes to the market in Soweto and notices the Chinese butchers working there speak the local dialect. I saw this phenomenon myself in Kinshasa where Chinese immigrants regularly spoke Lingala. The ability to speak the local dialect is a critical advantage that Chinese immigrants in Africa have over their Western counterparts. This may seem obvious, but when two people can communicate in the same language, so many differences are radically shrunk, e.g. culture, class, race. It should be noted that in my time in the DR Congo I never met a single Westerner who could speak Lingala. For the most part, Westerners retain an outmoded expectation that everyone should speak their rather than how the Chinese are going about it and learning local dialects in the communities they live and work.

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The first young woman to speak remarked how the Chinese “don’t separate themselves.” This is another important distinction between how the Chinese live in Africa compared to Westerners. For the most, and of course there are exceptions, the overwhelming majority of European and American residents in Africa live behind high walls with security guards, barbed wire and an equal sense of “us and them.” They tend to avoid the local markets in favor of expensive supermarkets stocked with imported food; they avoid public transportation as they commute in bulky 4×4 SUVs and the few relationships they have with locals is either with their domestic staffs or a privileged few that work as their subordinates in Western NGOs or companies. In contrast, the Chinese approach is entirely different. Generally they do not live in Chinese ghettos, or so-called Chinatowns. Instead, the overwhelming majority of Chinese immigrants to Africa live in the same, vast neighborhoods right alongside Africans themselves. They eat the same food, shop at the same stores and squeeze in to the same crowded mini-vans that everyone else takes to get around. When considering the living standards of Chinese immigrants compared to Africans, it is important to remember that unlike wealthy Westerners, most of the Chinese are at the same socio-economic level as their African counterparts. Simply put, the class difference is often quite minimal.

The subtleties of this video are what make it meaningful. The fact that Chinese immigrants are able to form this impression of themselves is an important soft-power tool that will no doubt have a broad impact on overall Sino-African ties. I received an almost identical response from Congolese who I questioned about their views on the growing number of Chinese immigres. One Kinois resident best summarized popular opinion when said “the Chinese, they are not afraid of us.

White people fear us and hide behind the walls. The Chinese do not.”

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And that's the difference between human rights abusers and liberators.
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I am not welcome any non-asians live in my country,all my brother and sisters only means east asians and south east aisans(Except Malay race) or any people come from singapore i totally welcome,because they are my people,chinese are not welcome in europe or australia because their skin color,we can understand,we also find out that is huge number blacks live in EU, i don't want my great motherland like that,NEVER!

I am not aganist any black people,i like you but i never welcome you to come to my country,my people fight for china,build china for 5000 years,we don;t want to share this with any one,ANY,chinese build hundreds modren cities for china only over 30 years,we working hard for it with full of tears and blood,why someone group like blacks which one haven't any involve to improvement my country to live with us?

Look guangzhou today,is disater!HK Beijing,Shanghai,Shengyang ETC i saw too much blacks and whites!you are not belong here,we welcome you to travel,but,we don't want you to stay,especailly for blacks,you are not east asians,you are not even south east aisans,you haven't any blood of our people,you should stay in africa or EU,since whites people bring you with them back to EU for hundreds years ago!

Nope,Chinese loves you people,but we don;t want you come to china!
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There are many Chinese people in my country – working there, selling there. Nobody is pursuing them," said Obi. He is restless; reluctant to loiter in a restaurant, on the street or even at a friend's home, lest the police come. "If I see them, I run," he says. "That's how I liv-------
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well deport them?
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You assume their Chinese parents even have any manner to teach their children. China has been a sick country. They people are rude and had just about everything wrong with their behaviors.
mr drgunzet is a stupid man
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#316
Nov 29, 2012
 
all country cracks down of illegal immigrant...that is a right thing to do...

many african in guangzhou are over staying, their visa has expire...they are illegal staying and against the law....this has nothing to do with racial discrimination
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Wow this is going to sound very racist so please level with me. In Ghana, Nigeria, Zambia and a lot of other countries a huge number of Chinese were recently deported, in Angola 2 million Chinese who were given visas overstayed (that is more than the entire population of foreigners in China), the actual number of illegal Chinese in the entire African continent exceeds what anyone can imagine.

And what do they do, small time stuff like selling chickens, digging in illegal gold mines and digging holes jobs which Africans themselves can do, at least in South Africa where I have travelled to before. I would say that China is probably the only place Africans in part are given ONLY white collar jobs, do Africans actually have some skills China needs that everyone else in world has except China?

Oh I am not for or against deporting of Guangzhou Illegal Africans but would just like to add that one should not point ones finger at another when ones own finger is in fact dirty, CHINESE ARE THE MEXICANS OF AFRICA.

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Winnie Wu wrote:
I am not welcome any non-asians live in my country,all my brother and sisters only means east asians and south east aisans(Except Malay race) or any people come from singapore i totally welcome,because they are my people,chinese are not welcome in europe or australia because their skin color,we can understand,we also find out that is huge number blacks live in EU, i don't want my great motherland like that,NEVER!
I am not aganist any black people,i like you but i never welcome you to come to my country,my people fight for china,build china for 5000 years,we don;t want to share this with any one,ANY,chinese build hundreds modren cities for china only over 30 years,we working hard for it with full of tears and blood,why someone group like blacks which one haven't any involve to improvement my country to live with us?
Look guangzhou today,is disater!HK Beijing,Shanghai,Shengyang ETC i saw too much blacks and whites!you are not belong here,we welcome you to travel,but,we don't want you to stay,especailly for blacks,you are not east asians,you are not even south east aisans,you haven't any blood of our people,you should stay in africa or EU,since whites people bring you with them back to EU for hundreds years ago!
Nope,Chinese loves you people,but we don;t want you come to china!
5000years and have never learnt anything within that time, everytime China closes its door you have famaines, cultural revolutions, invasions and poverty, your blood sweet and tears are worthless, IT WAS HARD COLD FOREIGN INVESTMENT AND EXPORT EARNINGS THAT HAS BEEN BUILDING THOSE CITIES YOUR.

Close China again and you will be back in the stone age like you were 30years ago when Dong Xiao Ping opened up the country. Because otherwise China was so weak and fraggle it was going to implode.

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