China's Soft "Nyet" to Russia's Ukraine Intervention

Mar 5, 2014 Full story: CFR.org 50

China's President Xi Jinping and his Ukrainian counterpart Viktor Yanukovich inspect honour guards during a welcome ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing on December 5, 2013.

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REMEMBER UKRAINIAN FAMINE

Surrey, Canada

#1 Mar 6, 2014
Even China under the CCP dictatorship is hanging Putin out to dry on this one now!

Oh well, "Vladimir the Short"........

Maybe King Kim III of the Kommunist Kingdom of North Korea will offer his support?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Mar 6, 2014
China is holding all the aces.

Since: Aug 12

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#3 Mar 6, 2014
both Russia and Ukraine are good friends of China,..China don't want to see them killing each other,..

EU NATO USA must stop interfere

stop the war

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#4 Mar 6, 2014
The war is already over. Russia does not want Ukraine. They wanted to secure their Black Sea port in Crimea. That has been done. But we can expect to hear a lot of noise for some tome to come while the humiliated west talks tough and bluff hot air.
AAA

UK

#5 Mar 6, 2014
Obama and Kerry are really dumb with all the talks of sanctions. Did they not know that America trade with Russia is only tiny at 40 billions? Must be crazy to imagine Europe will follow the mindless threat, given EU trade with Russia is near half a trillion.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#6 Mar 6, 2014
AAA wrote:
Obama and Kerry are really dumb with all the talks of sanctions. Did they not know that America trade with Russia is only tiny at 40 billions? Must be crazy to imagine Europe will follow the mindless threat, given EU trade with Russia is near half a trillion.
It is all just talk to try to save face after such humiliating defeat in Egypt, Syria, Ukraine, etc. And before that they have nothing to show for years of budgeting draining war in Iraq and Afghanistan. So all they can do is threaten sanctions which nobody takes seriously anymore. The war is already over in Ukraine. Putin took what he wanted and nobody can make him give it back.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#7 Mar 6, 2014
REMEMBER UKRAINIAN FAMINE wrote:
Even China under the CCP dictatorship is hanging Putin out to dry on this one now!
Oh well, "Vladimir the Short"........
Maybe King Kim III of the Kommunist Kingdom of North Korea will offer his support?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Politics and friendships can cause a lot of problems, throw in Religion and it is a recipe for disaster. China has become a very strong moderate these days and choses to take care of its own problems while trying to clean up the air quality and unemployment. To take sides with Russia right now would derail most of his plans so I can see why the leader said Russia should back down, there is too much at stake to lose.
REMEMBER UKRAINIAN FAMINE

Surrey, Canada

#8 Mar 6, 2014
George wrote:
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Politics and friendships can cause a lot of problems, throw in Religion and it is a recipe for disaster. China has become a very strong moderate these days and choses to take care of its own problems while trying to clean up the air quality and unemployment. To take sides with Russia right now would derail most of his plans so I can see why the leader said Russia should back down, there is too much at stake to lose.
Don't be so stupid!

Half of China is under military occupation and the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship, hated by its own people, is so afraid of the notion of a vote for independence in East Turkestan and Tibet, it is hanging Putin out to dry!

Yes! There is a LOT to lose for China! It will pay the price for "Putin's Big Adventure"!

China won't save Putin from his folly!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#9 Mar 6, 2014
Good. I hope Ukra dive collapses and takes out the billions half blind chinese morons earned by selling deadly dangerous products to western children with it.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Mar 6, 2014
REMEMBER UKRAINIAN FAMINE wrote:
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Don't be so stupid!
Half of China is under military occupation and the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship, hated by its own people, is so afraid of the notion of a vote for independence in East Turkestan and Tibet, it is hanging Putin out to dry!
Yes! There is a LOT to lose for China! It will pay the price for "Putin's Big Adventure"!
China won't save Putin from his folly!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
LOL. There is nothing to save Putin from. The war is over. Putin took what he wanted and had warned that he would do years ago. And nobody can or will make him give it back. He does not need Chinese help to make that stick.

What Russia and China have common cause on is the west. One day, Obama and his gang threatens China. Next day, they threaten Russia. So the Chinese and Russians will join forces at the UN to get what they both want: to be left the efff alone. It is that simple, Stupid Dummycrat liberals know nothing except how to harass people. They kept pushing Russia and would not stop. Now, things are beginning to blow up in their faces. And this is only the beginning. The west will have its behind handed to them in Syria and very soon. Israel will be lucky to come out in one piece.
AAA

London, UK

#11 Mar 6, 2014
Well, the key point is the people of Crimea want to be with Russia and not the new temporary "government" of Ukraine, if that is even democratically elected, and will be replaced soon. If there is any meaningful definition of democracy as the international community understand it, then the people of Crimea should be allowed to choose their destiny, independent of outside influence including EU or American. Remember, the UN charter grants the right to self determination for residents, like what the Falkland residents did when they have referendum to stay with UK.

Besides if what Russia did was illegal, then what the US did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan in the 21st century is definitely illegal. US cannot have it both way.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#12 Mar 6, 2014
AAA wrote:
Well, the key point is the people of Crimea want to be with Russia and not the new temporary "government" of Ukraine, if that is even democratically elected, and will be replaced soon. If there is any meaningful definition of democracy as the international community understand it, then the people of Crimea should be allowed to choose their destiny, independent of outside influence including EU or American. Remember, the UN charter grants the right to self determination for residents, like what the Falkland residents did when they have referendum to stay with UK.
Besides if what Russia did was illegal, then what the US did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan in the 21st century is definitely illegal. US cannot have it both way.
Thank you.
Liga

Riga, Latvia

#13 Mar 6, 2014
Yeah ....residents should decide.... How about to let Turks split Germany apart? How does it sound to you?

Since: Mar 08

Canada

#14 Mar 6, 2014
AAA wrote:
Well, the key point is the people of Crimea want to be with Russia and not the new temporary "government" of Ukraine, if that is even democratically elected, and will be replaced soon. If there is any meaningful definition of democracy as the international community understand it, then the people of Crimea should be allowed to choose their destiny, independent of outside influence including EU or American. Remember, the UN charter grants the right to self determination for residents, like what the Falkland residents did when they have referendum to stay with UK.
Besides if what Russia did was illegal, then what the US did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan in the 21st century is definitely illegal. US cannot have it both way.
- What Russia did was to send troops to her own border, while US sent troops to other countries.

- Talking about referendum, Crimea's parliament voted to join Russia on Thursday. However, Ukraine PM rejects the Crimea referendum. Democracy is just a joke.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-pm-rejec...
REMEMBER UKRAINIAN FAMINE

Surrey, Canada

#16 Mar 6, 2014
AAA wrote:
Well, the key point is the people of Crimea want to be with Russia and not the new temporary "government" of Ukraine, if that is even democratically elected, and will be replaced soon. If there is any meaningful definition of democracy as the international community understand it, then the people of Crimea should be allowed to choose their destiny, independent of outside influence including EU or American. Remember, the UN charter grants the right to self determination for residents, like what the Falkland residents did when they have referendum to stay with UK.
Besides if what Russia did was illegal, then what the US did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan in the 21st century is definitely illegal. US cannot have it both way.
That goes for the Chechen nation, the other minority peoples in Russia, the Tibetan nation, and East Turkestan too, right?

Glad to see you support the struggle for freedom of SO MANY NATIONS!
well

Toronto, Canada

#17 Mar 6, 2014
REMEMBER UKRAINIAN FAMINE wrote:
Even China under the CCP dictatorship is hanging Putin out to dry on this one now!
Oh well, "Vladimir the Short"........
Maybe King Kim III of the Kommunist Kingdom of North Korea will offer his support?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
China has its problems. Taiwan, Tibet, Uighur lands....They might decide to join some other country.
AAA

London, UK

#18 Mar 6, 2014
REMEMBER UKRAINIAN FAMINE wrote:
<quoted text>
That goes for the Chechen nation, the other minority peoples in Russia, the Tibetan nation, and East Turkestan too, right?
Glad to see you support the struggle for freedom of SO MANY NATIONS!
That is correct. Another key point is referendum without having to kill each other. In UK, the Scottish will be voting for independent soon. We are not going to send in the tanks even if the result is to split from United kingdom, even if we don't like it. It really depends on how mature your democracy is. In China, I would say no way that works, but then China never pretend to be a democracy anyway. In Iraq or Chechnya, that won't work either, so please don't embrace democracy too early there.

Therefore if Ukraine or EU or American want to believe democracy for Crimea, then surely they have to respect the people's choice, else it will be highly hypocritical.
AAA

London, UK

#19 Mar 6, 2014
well wrote:
<quoted text>China has its problems. Taiwan, Tibet, Uighur lands....They might decide to join some other country.
Like I said, mature democracy means there should be no blood shed or conflict in a split. I am afraid most countries are not in a position to claim that, including USA. Imagine if Texas or Alaska wants to split from the union, you think federal government won't send in the republican guards? Or Quebec for that matter, will Canada federal government let it go peacefully? China never claimed to be a democracy, so it is not relevant to them. For China, democracy is not a suitable model, at least for now.

Therefore, what Putin did might not be too bad at all. It secured a stable environment for the people of Crimea to vote for their destiny, else we may see the nationalist Ukrainian sending in the guards, like the sectarian violence situation in Syria or Kosovo, killing the Russian speaking races.
AAA

London, UK

#20 Mar 6, 2014
Liga wrote:
Yeah ....residents should decide.... How about to let Turks split Germany apart? How does it sound to you?
Fine, but the overall majority of Turks want Germany identity, else they would have stayed in the ottoman empire and not Germanic Deutschland if they are so damn proud if their nationalism. Turks are relatively recent migrants to Germany, probably just two three generations, and for migrants it is all about achieving better life for themselves and children away from motherland, surely they gave made a conscious choice, and that is the basis of democracy.fair
Liga

Riga, Latvia

#21 Mar 7, 2014
AAA wrote:
<quoted text>
Fine, but the overall majority of Turks want Germany identity, else they would have stayed in the ottoman empire and not Germanic Deutschland if they are so damn proud if their nationalism. Turks are relatively recent migrants to Germany, probably just two three generations, and for migrants it is all about achieving better life for themselves and children away from motherland, surely they gave made a conscious choice, and that is the basis of democracy.fair
Are you kiddidng me?
"....the overall majority of Turks want Germany identity..."
They might want German citizenship, true, but there is no way a Turk would want to be seen as a German, to accept their traditions or standarts of life. I don't believe in integration/assimilation, because there is no any good example of it out there....
Mark my words, sooner or later, turks are gonna cause serious problems in Germany. Just like Russians are causing problems in Ukraine now. Who knows...maybe phrase "survival of the fittest" refers to the humans aswell...

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