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1904 China map admits Paracel, Spratly not Chinese territory

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“Hello everyone!”

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#1 Aug 23, 2013
1904 China map admits Paracel, Spratly not Chinese territory

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/19...

A Chinese language expert in Vietnam has an official map of China from 1904 that does not show Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) islands as belonging to that country.

The map possessed by Mai Hong, former head of the archive at the Han Nom Institute that studies ancient Vietnamese language and its influence by Chinese, for more than 30 years shows Hainan Island as China’s southernmost tip.

The two archipelagoes off Vietnam’s central coast are not shown in the map.

But now China claims the islands despite lots of historical evidence showing Vietnam’s existence on the islands before anyone else.

A Vietnamese map from 1834 includes the two islands.

Hong said the colored-paper map was made during the Qing Dynasty era and published by the Shanghai Publishing House.

Hong said the Chinese descriptions on the map indicate it took from 1708 to 1904, from the time of Emperor Guangxi to that of Guangxu, to complete it.

The kings sent scholars and experts, including Westerners such as Johann Adam Schall von Bell and Ferdinand Verbiest, to all of China's then 13 provinces for the task, he said.

The foreword was written by the then director of an observatory.

Hong had bought the map from a familiar book seller for his institute.“He showed me the map and suggested that I should buy it. It cost more than my one month salary.”

On July 4 he handed over the well-preserved, 115 cm x 140 cm map to the Vietnam National History Museum in Hanoi. A handover ceremony is being held Tuesday with several historians attending.

“I think this map can provide some very good information for Vietnam’s defense at international negotiations. A proof from China themselves will save us from (verbal) attacks.”

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/19...

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#2 Aug 23, 2013
Phi Viet

Potomac, MD

#3 Aug 23, 2013
Spratly belongs to Philippines and Vietnam because it is 10000 miles from China....China will be punished badly and you will see.

Since: Nov 10

Harbin, China

#4 Aug 23, 2013
eh?
where aer you from to rumour?

have you thought, base on the deduction, you were all belong to China territory before 400years?
2 Cents

Taipei, Taiwan

#5 Aug 23, 2013
Phi Viet wrote:
Spratly belongs to Philippines and Vietnam because it is 10000 miles from China....China will be punished badly and you will see.
Wishful thinking is really just a form of unhelpful delusional thinking. Peaceful talks are the only way forward even if they seem futile. Even if there is no negotiated resolution immediately, most of these tiny islands will be underwater soon anyway from rising sea levels.
Phi Viet

Potomac, MD

#6 Aug 23, 2013
If China knew spratly belongs to China, why China hasn't done anything for almost 4000 years? When China started claiming their dreaming 9-dash line?

U meant Chinese people just got smart recently?
China India

Potomac, MD

#7 Aug 23, 2013
Greed becomes st u pid??? Yes

Now Most Asian countries hate China even folks of the same kind like HongKongese and Taiwanese don't like Chinese either. If you look at market world wise, Chinese market has been the worst market in last 3 years.

Since: Nov 10

Harbin, China

#8 Aug 23, 2013
Phi Viet wrote:
If China knew spratly belongs to China, why China hasn't done anything for almost 4000 years? When China started claiming their dreaming 9-dash line?
U meant Chinese people just got smart recently?
you are kidding.
4000ys? why not 40000y or more?
I know from geographer that there was no human being over there 4million years ago.

but 400 years ago, chinese have started their life, work and trade and rest over there.
where was the other nation on those days? they went into rapture with getting a china and a cloth made of silk.
didn't they?

Since: Nov 10

Harbin, China

#9 Aug 23, 2013
China India wrote:
Greed becomes st u pid??? Yes
Now Most Asian countries hate China even folks of the same kind like HongKongese and Taiwanese don't like Chinese either. If you look at market world wise, Chinese market has been the worst market in last 3 years.
you are paradox, don't forget HK or TW are all chinese.
you need to back school for more learning.
China India

Potomac, MD

#10 Aug 24, 2013
There are many of my friends come from Taiwan and they hate China so much....They would never marry anyone from mainland. That is a fact!
SpongeBob

Mission, Canada

#11 Aug 24, 2013
...When a war on sea happens bt PLA and Vietnamese....consider the tiny size of Paracel and it's distance from Vietnam coast,,,,PLA servicemen of Paracel Islands would have no chance to...enjoy the life. Just try to desert your Army and hide in main land before war explodes, baby! Wahahhahaaha!
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#13 Aug 24, 2013
SpongeBob wrote:
...When a war on sea happens bt PLA and Vietnamese....consider the tiny size of Paracel and it's distance from Vietnam coast,,,,PLA servicemen of Paracel Islands would have no chance to...enjoy the life. Just try to desert your Army and hide in main land before war explodes, baby! Wahahhahaaha!
You must be kidding!

There can be war between China and Vietnam. If you are talking about the 'logistics' of the movements of troops, China is well prepared for their stand.

However, if war starts, which I repeat will never happen, China will respond with a three-pronged attach on Vietnam. First, they will fire their long range missiles to Ho Chi Minh city from Shaoguan,Guangdong; second, they will use the Laos highway to attach the waist or middle of VN and cut the flow of VN troops; third, they will cross the border from Yunan and reclaim the territories lost on previous wars with VN. I hope the VN administration will take your comments as a joke.

China will not war with VN because they want you to return to the fold and share the prosperity they are now enjoying.
AAA

Whitchurch, UK

#14 Aug 24, 2013
China India wrote:
There are many of my friends come from Taiwan and they hate China so much....They would never marry anyone from mainland. That is a fact!
Mate, Taiwan is pretty much 50-50 split on China, but they are 100% united with territory disputes against Philippines.
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#15 Aug 24, 2013
New China wrote:
eh?
where aer you from to rumour?
have you thought, base on the deduction, you were all belong to China territory before 400years?
Ahh.

So all you chinese chaps will be surrendering again and bowing to your mongolian masters?
Gengis Khan

Christchurch, New Zealand

#16 Aug 24, 2013
China India wrote:
There are many of my friends come from Taiwan and they hate China so much....They would never marry anyone from mainland. That is a fact!
you are so right. communist china is despised in Taiwan. much the same I suppose as the nth Korean regime is loathed and hated by the South Koreans.
Is their any other country in the world that is hated, feared, and despised by all its neighbours more than what china is?.
AAA

Whitchurch, UK

#17 Aug 24, 2013
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahh.
So all you chinese chaps will be surrendering again and bowing to your mongolian masters?
It is 21 century now, one should not mix country with race, most countries as are multi racial nowadays
AAA

Whitchurch, UK

#18 Aug 24, 2013
Gengis Khan wrote:
<quoted text>
you are so right. communist china is despised in Taiwan. much the same I suppose as the nth Korean regime is loathed and hated by the South Koreans.
Is their any other country in the world that is hated, feared, and despised by all its neighbours more than what china is?.
Philippines
AAA

Whitchurch, UK

#19 Aug 24, 2013
Gengis Khan wrote:
<quoted text>
you are so right. communist china is despised in Taiwan. much the same I suppose as the nth Korean regime is loathed and hated by the South Koreans.
Is their any other country in the world that is hated, feared, and despised by all its neighbours more than what china is?.
Japan
AAA

Whitchurch, UK

#20 Aug 24, 2013
Gengis Khan wrote:
<quoted text>
you are so right. communist china is despised in Taiwan. much the same I suppose as the nth Korean regime is loathed and hated by the South Koreans.
Is their any other country in the world that is hated, feared, and despised by all its neighbours more than what china is?.
USA, just ask the Latin Americans.
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#21 Aug 24, 2013
Gengis Khan wrote:
<quoted text>
you are so right. communist china is despised in Taiwan. much the same I suppose as the nth Korean regime is loathed and hated by the South Koreans.
Is their any other country in the world that is hated, feared, and despised by all its neighbours more than what china is?.
You are so wrong!

No country in the Americas hate China. No country that is neighbor to China hate China either. People who say they hate China are only the ones who 'misrepresent' the neighboring countries.

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