Judge it!
Technically, India considers Tibet to be a part of China - so it's no choice at all.
If the Indian government had any brains, it would quietly use the Tibet issue to prompt the Chinese to stop supporting the jihadist states of Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Chinese acceptance of Indian hegemony in the subcontinent should be the price for Indian acceptance of Han hegemony in Tibet.
Apr 1, 2008 | Posted by: Xiangjun
India's Choice: Tibet or China?
Full story: www.washingtonpost.com
By Rama Lakshmi Washington Post Foreign Service Wednesday, April 2, 2008; Page A09 NEW DELHI, April 1 -- Angry Tibetans in India chanted all kinds of anti- China slogans last month when they gathered to protest ...
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The problem is India has no leverage on China. Whether or not India accepts Han Hegemony in Tibet is irrelevant because it can't do anything about it even if it doesn't. |
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“Hamaaraa Bhaarath Mahaan!” Since: Mar 08
Saint Paul, MN, USA ISP: Saint Paul, MN |
I would say the Indian govt is acting just. India has respect towards the Dalai Lama, but that should not put itself into trouble. Interfering into the internal affairs of the all powerful China might result an armed conflict. In such a situ, Pukistan would immediately find an opportunity to join hands with China to cause heavy losses to our homeland. Better stay away and adhere to our principle of "no-first-use". Besides Pukistan, Bangladesh and Nepal too have strong ties with China. These are potentil threats for any anti-chinese move by India.
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1 You are stupid to say the least. Did you see china, Bangladesh and Nepal supporting Pakistan militarily during Kargil conflict. On issue of Tibet, China is on backfoot and India does have lot of leverage when it comes to Tibet. India can make China hell using Tibet. India gave china bloody nose in all the skirmishes post 1962 war. Read little bit of history. |
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I'm sorry but you need the one that need to have some historical lessons. It seems that the Indians have a covered up version of their border skirmish with the Chinese back in the 1960s. Read it up on any third party neutral source and you'll see that the Indians were outmanuvered and routed in the skirmish. It was a pretty big embarassment to the Indians and it's kinda surprising you are bringing it up and touting it as a victory somehow. Since you say the Indians have alot of leverage please point out some of them, otherwise I'll have to conclude you are speaking out your rear as usual. |
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China and India will be the next big superpowers in Asia and the world. They will be the best of friends after they settle their disputes. The world will have to treat these two Asian powers with more respects with their coming economic and scientific/technological advances.
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INDIA IS A WORLD POOREST COUNTRY HOW INDIA CAN POWER WHAT A JOKE INDIA CANNOT BECOME ONE COUNTRY YOU SAYING WORLD POWER WHAT A WONDERFULL IMPOSSIBLE DREAMS INDIA CANNOT BECOME WORLD POWER YET IN NEXT 50 YEARS THEN INDO PAK WILL BE PEACE THEN MAYBE NEITHER IMPOSSIBLE |
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You should use your eyes instead of your ass. I never said India won 1962 war however India won every skirmish after 1962. It is a fact that you chinese don't know. Your govt. is known for hiding facts..We all can see how it is hiding facts in Tibet. Go learn history from non-chinese sources. |
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Before 1970s,China = ROC.
China have never invaded anyone. |
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Really? Study your history China has thousand years of fighting each other. Then Qin Shi Huang beat all and unified China, Look at the map of Qin Dynasty to see how big China was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Dynasty Map of the Han Dynasty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Han Then Jin Dynasty (265–420) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Jin_Dyna... Then Tang (Tibet was still not included) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_Dynasty Song http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_Dynasty Ming (Tibet was still not included but instead Vietnam was invaded) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_Dynasty Until Qing Dynasty, Tibet was included as a territory China then invaded all the neighbors to expand its land until what you see today. China invaded Mongolia, East Turkestan .... The last one was Sino-Vietnam war. oh, i forgot. In 1974 China sunk 3 Vietnamese navy ship and took over Paracels. In 1988, they sunk 2 more ship and took over about 9 islands from Vietnamese China also claims the disputed land Kashmir! Wow, China is so nice and peaceful! |
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I think what he is saying is that PRC hasn't invaded anyone in its 50 yrs or so of history. Has it occupied any area tha is not promised to it by the UN? All of the terriotry it has was inherited from the ROC which included Tibet. So really, all PRC did was to replace the government of ROC in the region as the only legal representative of the teirrtory that is belonged to China. In essense, it is a transfer of power like from Democrat to Republican excpet in a more violent but neverthe less legal manner.
Now if you have a problem with the current land distribution should bitch to the ROC government in taiwan and settle the score with them. As to the agreement, it was signed with British and Russia. |
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Come on HIV, we haven't had a true discussion about the land ownership of Tibet yet. Are you avoiding me? I am calling you out, let us talk about it. What is your bases of claim and proof that Tibet was a country? Do you know who the recognized soverign is before Dalai Lama? Who was the founding leader? Lets establish that cliam once and for all with some historic proof. Afterall, can't hand Tibet over to a soverign without any legal claim right.
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It is all about game, political game. don't be blinded by the beautiful words of some stake - holding people and stake - holding media.
Leave this kind of discussion. don't be obsessing. The tibet issue is a game played by all different political powers, organizations and interested people. Don't believe in any of them. if you have money, buy a ticket to travel to China to see the real tibet. Then you could understand what truth means. |
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1 Under being tortured by the police, raised the slogan for the long life of H.H.The Dalai Lama. According to a reliable source from Tibet, Tenzin Dargyal of 18 years old, son of Thagri Wangchen from Kham-Sog District had fought with Chinese several times and particularly in recent time, he has fought with a Chinese and as a result, on 24th March, he was arrested by PRC police...... Commemoration of the 2550th Anniversary of Lord Buddha Pune, March 25 In order to commemorate the 2550th Anniversary of Lord Buddha, Ambedkar Institute of Social and Econonic Change invited H.H.The Dalai Lama as a guest of honour in the occassion organised at Pune in Maharashtra, South India...... Special Long-Live Prayers held for the long and healthy life of H.H.The Dalai Lama Dharamsala,March According to the Tibetan Lunar calender, H.H.The 14th Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso has reached the age of 73 which is considered as the actual obstruction to one’s life....... Release of Tenphel,Tibetan Political Prisoner The patriot Tenphel had been arrested and detained by the Chinese Government on the pretext of propagandizing the endless torture being given to Ven. Trulku Tenzin Delek....... Prohibition of doing special prayers and incense burning over the Kuru Bridge Taking the opportunity on 10th March gathering, Tibetan Government in Exile requested all the Tibetan people to accumulate more virtues and abandon every sin on 14th March because on behalf of all the Tibetan People in and outside Tibet, the government was going to offer a special Long-Live Prayers for the long and healthy life of H.H.The Dalai Lama and to overcome all the obstructions of the age....... Illegal Torture in Tibet According to the news from government related office, Recently in Tibet, there broke a quarrel between some of the Chinese merchants and the Tibetans. And also a Tibetan student of 13 was rapped by a Chinese teacher....... The Fourth Discussion on Democracy Dharamsala,March 31 In order to create awareness among the general public about the democracy, the Fourth Discussion on Democracy was organised by National Democratic Party of Tibet in association with Phayul Website here at Yongling School....... Reached Lhasa by Prostration The local people of Kham Driru District had done a wide range of boycott movement of the wild life Skin Materials last year....... Workshop to the deputies of the Tibetan Parliament in Exile Dharamsala, March 28-29 A workshop of twin days for the Tibetan deputies was organised to help them to know the proper techniques to answer the people’s asked questions during their out-reach programs and also taught about the present plight in Tibet...... Stoppage of the artificial wild life skin cloths An important resolution has been passed by the Local Assembly of Dharamsala that all the wild life skin materials either original or duplicate should be banned altogether because both the materials look similar in the television and there is a risk for not able to identify the real one. The local Heads were requested to implement it seriously and urgently....... 2007-2008 Budget Session of the Tibetan Exile Government Dharamsala, March 14th - 27th The Preliminary Budget of the Tibetan Exile Government was handed over to the Tibetan Parliament in Exile (TPIE) in the month of February. |
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To HIV,
Is the increasing of Chinese territory means we invaded other countries? Using your logic, there was no country called Germany 300 years ago.Did one of them invaded all its neighbors to become Germany? Actually, you can also find that the enlargement of Chinese territory happened during Yuan and Qing dynasty are all caused by invasion from other ethnics(Mongolia or Man people). After that they adopted the Chinese culture, they become Chinese and their land was also integrated to China. To Tim Duun, Did you ever talk to a Chinese youth about 1989 Tiananmen massacre? Most( if not all) Chinese people know what happened there. In your comment you showed great ignorance of Chinese society. I guess you are sure that Chinese government are new Nazi and Chinese people are all brain-washed. They only things that can bring us happiness are freedom and democracy,right? |
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“Hamaaraa Bhaarath Mahaan!” Since: Mar 08
Saint Paul, MN, USA ISP: Saint Paul, MN |
Well Kabeer, lemme b stupid. Thank gudness, am not stupid enuf like u to disagree the facts. These nations did not support Pukistan openly in the Kargil conflict but no body could deny China's military weaponry aids to Pakistan and that is what I meant by support. Pakistan.. was supported with Nuclear fuel, technology and weapons by China in every war that they waged with India. If U really know history, The so called "Aksai Chin" was ceded by Pukistan to China as a sign of Good Will. China and Pukistan were and are always allies against their common enemy. Look at the foreign relations of Bangladesh w.r.t. China and India. Bangladesh has got record level trade (in Billions of $) with China and would not love to forbid that for India. India. Nepal, I accept that it has neutral relations with both India and China. In 1962, India might have given a bloody nose to China, but almost lost 2 limbs(which is a way too heavy loss). Only after such an annoying defeat did Military expenditure boost up. India could match China one on one, but considering the combined effort of China and the butcher Pukistan, India will be no match. FYI, I am patriot Tamil, Indian but my Patriotism does not overshadow my common sense in understanding and analysing the truths -Paayum Puli (Pouncing Tiger) |
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