A Dull Show By Rebiya Kadeer In Melbourne

[Chan]

LOL wrote:

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Read post #97 by Miro, the opening sentence is:
"Yes. China is overdue for a change of government."
So if you don't agree with his statement as you said that you don't believe US is trying to over throw the Current chinese government then why are you joining the argument defending his point? Under stand your stance first is the key to argument.
My response is to his point that Jefferson also advocated revolt once in a while so he should start a revolt in US as an example. After all, Jefferson was a founding father of US. So where did I mis-used the quote exactly?
Try to understand the argument first or otherwise butt out.

Post 97 wasn't to you at all. You butted in to add your
ignorant comment about American history and Thomas Jefferson. Post 97 was a reply to Ray H and had nothing to do with you. So as butts go, you are the butthead.

You took Jefferson's quote out of historical context to
tell the US that we should have our own revolt and leave China alone. You try to be clever and turn the tables on
the US using an irrelevant quote for your own small minded purpose. That can work both ways-

"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-Tung

Chairman Mao describes how China has grabbed Tibet,
East Turkistan and part of India. China will subjegate all
opponents by any means to achieve its goals. It is a brutal warlike monster who is trying to conquer all of East Asia.

Do I misuse Chairman Mao's words? Yes. Just as you misused Jefferson's words. butthead.

[Chan]

LOL wrote:

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so let me ask you a question, what is the point of your so call advanced democractic society when people rather kill themselves livinging in such world? Provided that the caused of suicide was not due to political system, but that shows you people in democractic country can be more miserable than one that is authoritarian..

So let me ask you a question, why is China's suicide rate soaring?

ASIAONE / NEWS
China's suicide rate soaring
Tue, Dec 09, 2008

"On average, a Chinese person takes his or her own life every two minutes, giving the world's most populous nation a dismal record as it prepares to celebrate 30 years of otherwise spectacular economic reform.
"Since reform kicked off in 1978, the Middle Kingdom has been through enormous upheavals and so has the psyche of its 1.3 billion people.
Society has been uprooted as traditional family and clan structures have disintegrated, straining social relations and putting the individual under immense stress, experts said.
In just one generation, China's millennia-old civilisation has become one dedicated almost entirely to profit, with profound consequences."

Don't be so quick to point fingers at other countries without looking at your own, or maybe you can't get this information? Japan is far behind Russia in % of suicides.

By the way- you were butting into someone elses conversation when you commented. Miro was not the one who raised suicide as an issue, either.

[old china]

Chan wrote:

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So let me ask you a question, why is China's suicide rate soaring?
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Social pressure, financial pressure and lonliness are typical reasons in any society. I doubt if China has unique reasons.

Everybody has their problems these days .....

For example:

"Teenage American girls' suicide rates soar by 76 percent"

I also saw articles for Australia, France, Washington (must be the money) and the UK.

[dzhou]

ngali wrote:

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Being Chinese language newspapers it doesn't mean anything to me - I'll just have to take your word for the quality of their contents.
But considering your quite ludicrous assesment of English [language] papers as,
"clearly well controlled, filtered and monitored by their editors (Not much different to the communist ways of control and censorship). I don't think their journalists would remain on the job if they dare to write something favourable to China".
I doubt you have any kind of objective basis worth trusting.
Are you being hyperbolic, or do you mean that literally?

You know you two are accusing each other exactly the same thing could it be that the truth is somewhere in between?

[dzhou]

RayH wrote:

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You mean Butt Ugly Shoplifter.

No! She is just ugly judged by most Chinese. And she is a shop lifter.

[ngali]

dzhou wrote:

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You know you two are accusing each other exactly the same thing could it be that the truth is somewhere in between?

No. He's wrong - and so are you.

[dzhou]

ngali wrote:

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No. He's wrong - and so are you.

Yea, very convincing Aussie logic

[LOL]

Chan wrote:

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So let me ask you a question, why is China's suicide rate soaring?
ASIAONE / NEWS
China's suicide rate soaring
Tue, Dec 09, 2008
"On average, a Chinese person takes his or her own life every two minutes, giving the world's most populous nation a dismal record as it prepares to celebrate 30 years of otherwise spectacular economic reform.
"Since reform kicked off in 1978, the Middle Kingdom has been through enormous upheavals and so has the psyche of its 1.3 billion people.
Society has been uprooted as traditional family and clan structures have disintegrated, straining social relations and putting the individual under immense stress, experts said.
In just one generation, China's millennia-old civilisation has become one dedicated almost entirely to profit, with profound consequences."
Don't be so quick to point fingers at other countries without looking at your own, or maybe you can't get this information? Japan is far behind Russia in % of suicides.
By the way- you were butting into someone elses conversation when you commented. Miro was not the one who raised suicide as an issue, either.

yes, but atleast I butt in with the knowledge of which side I am supporting. You on the other hand were completely confused since you apparently supported my side but tried to defend Miro. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing or do you actually have a point?

My point with the quote, as you so obviously trying to turn the angle on, was saying that Miro should start something in US first before trying to topple the CHinese government. Cause that just makes him a HYPOCRITE just as you are.

Now you are trying to argue the point of suicide rate with me? Notice I said amongst developed countries, the point is that if democracy and freedom is the key to happiness why are people committing suicide. Notice, not everything is a comparison between two societies. I have been to China, and I haven't heard of anything regarding soar suicide rates.

Also understand, culture is a constantly changing aspect of life. China is simply integrating what it needs to adopt to modern society. I doubt anyone is losing its identity over there since I was just there for two months not too long ago. In fact, if anything people are trying to bring back the old traditions that fits modern life.

[Chan]

old china wrote:

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Social pressure, financial pressure and lonliness are typical reasons in any society. I doubt if China has unique reasons.
Everybody has their problems these days .....
For example:
"Teenage American girls' suicide rates soar by 76 percent"
I also saw articles for Australia, France, Washington (must be the money) and the UK.

I know. LOL likes to stick his nose into conversations to
score mythical points with someone. He's cocky. Lithuiania and Russia have really high rates. The US average, China below average. And as you say, it varies
according to demographics. A meaningless point of comparison between countries.

[RayH]

LOL wrote:

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yes, but atleast I butt in with the knowledge of which side I am supporting. You on the other hand were completely confused since you apparently supported my side but tried to defend Miro. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing or do you actually have a point?
My point with the quote, as you so obviously trying to turn the angle on, was saying that Miro should start something in US first before trying to topple the CHinese government. Cause that just makes him a HYPOCRITE just as you are.
Now you are trying to argue the point of suicide rate with me? Notice I said amongst developed countries, the point is that if democracy and freedom is the key to happiness why are people committing suicide. Notice, not everything is a comparison between two societies. I have been to China, and I haven't heard of anything regarding soar suicide rates.
Also understand, culture is a constantly changing aspect of life. China is simply integrating what it needs to adopt to modern society. I doubt anyone is losing its identity over there since I was just there for two months not too long ago. In fact, if anything people are trying to bring back the old traditions that fits modern life.

If you look at some of the world happiness surveys, China usually ranks in the top 1/3, while U.S. and many European countries end up in the bottom 1/2.

[old china]

Chan wrote:

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I know. LOL likes to stick his nose into conversations to
score mythical points with someone. He's cocky. Lithuiania and Russia have really high rates. The US average, China below average. And as you say, it varies
according to demographics. A meaningless point of comparison between countries.

How can he stick his nose into a debate on an open forum?

Perhaps it's time you guys got a room? LOL

I would actually go along with China possibly having a high suicide rate because of the work ethic, obligation to succeed and minimal play time. Well, for some people but not for me.

[Chan]

old china wrote:

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How can he stick his nose into a debate on an open forum?
Perhaps it's time you guys got a room? LOL
I would actually go along with China possibly having a high suicide rate because of the work ethic, obligation to succeed and minimal play time. Well, for some people but not for me.

Wrong gender for a room(assuming he's a guy). lol
Capitalism and industrialization bring many pitfalls. Russia is a good example of how not to do it. The damage they did to their environment and people will never be undone- including Eastern Europe.
People talk about how bad the US economy is. I'd rather be here than in Russia. They may never recover.

[Sly]

ngali wrote:

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Being Chinese language newspapers it doesn't mean anything to me - I'll just have to take your word for the quality of their contents.
But considering your quite ludicrous assesment of English [language] papers as,
"clearly well controlled, filtered and monitored by their editors (Not much different to the communist ways of control and censorship). I don't think their journalists would remain on the job if they dare to write something favourable to China".
I doubt you have any kind of objective basis worth trusting.
Are you being hyperbolic, or do you mean that literally?

I mean that literally. You seem to treat the Chinese language newspapers with contempt. I respect their reports on China as opposed to the Western ones.

If you are originally from Taipei as your location seems to indicate, I presume you read Chinese. Just ask your Taiwanese friends in Australia if you have them.

Regarding the "sensorship" in Australian press on articles on China, you only need to read them for a period of time to find out. My English is not superb, but it is good enough to comprehend the contents of those articles. Pay particular attention to their use of words and expressions. They work on several pre-set formats.

Check this out: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,...

This journalist Greg Sheridan is a classic example. His articles on China are always purposely negative. In this article, he even suggested Rebiya Kadeer what to do. He doesn't have the professional ethics required for a journalist to be impartial.

I strongly believe that the West is out to harm China and it doesn't give a damn to the suffering of the Chinese people as the result. Imagine if one million Chinese were to drop dead, I don't think the West feels the pain as what the Chinese would. Any tragedy occurred in China was not received with empathy but was used as an opportunity to smear the Chinese government.

No matter what kind of government China is having now, as long as China is progressing economically and becoming wealthy, one day the country will be mature enough to embrace democrasy.

[dzhou]

RayH wrote:

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If you look at some of the world happiness surveys, China usually ranks in the top 1/3, while U.S. and many European countries end up in the bottom 1/2.

I know that Philipinos used to rank number one in Asia

[ASA]

Sly wrote:

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Check this out: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,...
This journalist Greg Sheridan is a classic example. His articles on China are always purposely negative. In this article, he even suggested Rebiya Kadeer what to do. He doesn't have the professional ethics required for a journalist to be impartial.

Read this article about idiot and racist greg sheridan who has caused so much damage to relation between Australia and China for his insensitive, biased and damaging remarks over the year.
Commentary: Australian editor's anti-China rant violates press ethics
BEIJING, Aug. 14 (Xinhua)-- A lengthy article by an editor on Australia's biggest-selling national newspaper on Thursday instructing notorious separatist Rebiya Kadeer on how to counter China is an open violation of a journalist's professional ethics.
During Rebiya's visit to Australia, Greg Sheridan, an editor of The Australian, also wrote another report "praising" her "courage" to confront the Chinese government.
In Thursday's article, titled "Uygurs must fight for rights within China," Sheridan said Rebiya should leave aside her campaign for a separate state for a while, as the appeal for the "Xinjiang independence" would not find a foothold in the international community and was likely to be snubbed by the West.
Rebiya should "concentrate instead on human rights, cultural autonomy and democracy," so as to win support and aid from Western nations, Sheridan said.
He also lauded the week-long visit to Australia by the self-appointed leader of the separatist World Uygur Congress, saying it would "change the course of Chinese politics."
It is hard to understand why a journalist, deviating from the professional ethics of objectivity and fairness, openly played the role of an "adviser" for a foreign separatist.
What Sheridan has done is not an individual case. For some time, a number of Western "journalists" have conducted activities that not only violate their professional ethics but even disregard basic moral norms.
Some Western media have abandoned the policy of unbiased and balanced reporting by spreading lies.
After the March 14 riot last year in Lhasa, capital of southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region, some Western media spared no efforts in spreading lies.
Following the July 5 riot in Urumqi, capital of China's northwest Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, Western media, returning to their old habits, launched one-sided reports such as interviews with Rebiya to spread separatists' lies again.
They described the incident with such words as "reportedly" and "allegedly," and never verified the facts.
Furthermore, some Western media distorted the truth and used fabricated evidence to support false stories.
After the March 14 riot, a well-known broadcaster posted a story, titled "Tibetans describe continuing unrest," on its website with a photo depicting Chinese police and paramilitaries who were helping medical workers rescue the injured.
But it provided a caption for the photo that said "There is a heavy military presence in Lhasa," regardless of the eye-catching bold words of "Emergency Treatment" on the ambulances beside the police.
When reporting in Urumqi after the July 5 incident this year, some Western journalists played the role of "news directors" and "actors" to induce people to shout slogans, then shot and recorded "in line with their requirements."
Some foreign media filed irresponsible accusations regardless of history and truth. Some described the peaceful liberalization of Tibet in 1950 as "China's invasion into Tibet." French daily LeMonde called China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region "East Turkistan," which never existed, and accused China of "colonizing" the region.
Some journalists, however, not only compromised their professional ethics, but also violated basic moral principles as human beings.

to continue..

[ASA]

Sly wrote:

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This journalist Greg Sheridan is a classic example. His articles on China are always purposely negative. In this article, he even suggested Rebiya Kadeer what to do. He doesn't have the professional ethics required for a journalist to be impartial.
I strongly believe that the West is out to harm China and it doesn't give a damn to the suffering of the Chinese people as the result. Imagine if one million Chinese were to drop dead, I don't think the West feels the pain as what the Chinese would. Any tragedy occurred in China was not received with empathy but was used as an opportunity to smear the Chinese government.
No matter what kind of government China is having now, as long as China is progressing economically and becoming wealthy, one day the country will be mature enough to embrace democrasy.

Read this article about this idiot and racist greg sheridan on his inflammatory remarks over the years.
BEIJING, Aug. 14 (Xinhua)-- A lengthy article by an editor on Australia's biggest-selling national newspaper on Thursday instructing notorious separatist Rebiya Kadeer on how to counter China is an open violation of a journalist's professional ethics.

During Rebiya's visit to Australia, Greg Sheridan, an editor of The Australian, also wrote another report "praising" her "courage" to confront the Chinese government.

In Thursday's article, titled "Uygurs must fight for rights within China," Sheridan said Rebiya should leave aside her campaign for a separate state for a while, as the appeal for the "Xinjiang independence" would not find a foothold in the international community and was likely to be snubbed by the West.

Rebiya should "concentrate instead on human rights, cultural autonomy and democracy," so as to win support and aid from Western nations, Sheridan said.

He also lauded the week-long visit to Australia by the self-appointed leader of the separatist World Uygur Congress, saying it would "change the course of Chinese politics."

It is hard to understand why a journalist, deviating from the professional ethics of objectivity and fairness, openly played the role of an "adviser" for a foreign separatist.

What Sheridan has done is not an individual case. For some time, a number of Western "journalists" have conducted activities that not only violate their professional ethics but even disregard basic moral norms.

Some Western media have abandoned the policy of unbiased and balanced reporting by spreading lies.

After the March 14 riot last year in Lhasa, capital of southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region, some Western media spared no efforts in spreading lies.

to continue..

[ASA]

Following the July 5 riot in Urumqi, capital of China's northwest Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, Western media, returning to their old habits, launched one-sided reports such as interviews with Rebiya to spread separatists' lies again.

They described the incident with such words as "reportedly" and "allegedly," and never verified the facts.

Furthermore, some Western media distorted the truth and used fabricated evidence to support false stories.

After the March 14 riot, a well-known broadcaster posted a story, titled "Tibetans describe continuing unrest," on its website with a photo depicting Chinese police and paramilitaries who were helping medical workers rescue the injured.

But it provided a caption for the photo that said "There is a heavy military presence in Lhasa," regardless of the eye-catching bold words of "Emergency Treatment" on the ambulances beside the police.

When reporting in Urumqi after the July 5 incident this year, some Western journalists played the role of "news directors" and "actors" to induce people to shout slogans, then shot and recorded "in line with their requirements."

Some foreign media filed irresponsible accusations regardless of history and truth. Some described the peaceful liberalization of Tibet in 1950 as "China's invasion into Tibet." French daily LeMonde called China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region "East Turkistan," which never existed, and accused China of "colonizing" the region.

Some journalists, however, not only compromised their professional ethics, but also violated basic moral principles as human beings.

Last year, after the Tibet riots, the U.S. Cable News Network (CNN) commentator Jack Cafferty referred to the Chinese as "basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years." This year, an editor named Sheridan virtually claimed himself to be a "policy think tank" against China for separatists.

Only a year after the Tibet riots, some Western media and so-called "journalists" have rushed to put on a similar farce once again. The only explanation is that those media and "journalists," so passionate about spreading bias and hatred regardless of the truth, professional ethics and moral standards, have been turned into the tools, knowingly or not, of some forces to demonize China intentionally.

The distorted reports once again shattered the self-styled "just and objective" image of some media. Many readers stood up against Sheridan's article, loaded as it was with apparent paranoia and ill intentions. His on-line version of the anti-China rant has come under fire from netizens around the world.

According to Western journalism, the right to judge the news rests with the readers. As a Chinese saying goes, "the people's eyes are bright and discerning."

In the era of globalization, an increasing number of Westernersare coming to know more about the real China amid expanding exchanges in various sectors. Media and journalists should learn a lesson from Sheridan's actions or risk becoming a laughingstock around the world.

[RayH]

Just face it. Western reporters have to toe the line for their MASTERS or face unemployment.

[ngali]

Sly wrote:

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I mean that literally. You seem to treat the Chinese language newspapers with contempt. I respect their reports on China as opposed to the Western ones.
If you are originally from Taipei as your location seems to indicate, I presume you read Chinese. Just ask your Taiwanese friends in Australia if you have them.
Regarding the "sensorship" in Australian press on articles on China, you only need to read them for a period of time to find out. My English is not superb, but it is good enough to comprehend the contents of those articles. Pay particular attention to their use of words and expressions. They work on several pre-set formats.
Check this out: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,...
This journalist Greg Sheridan is a classic example. His articles on China are always purposely negative. In this article, he even suggested Rebiya Kadeer what to do. He doesn't have the professional ethics required for a journalist to be impartial.
I strongly believe that the West is out to harm China and it doesn't give a damn to the suffering of the Chinese people as the result. Imagine if one million Chinese were to drop dead, I don't think the West feels the pain as what the Chinese would. Any tragedy occurred in China was not received with empathy but was used as an opportunity to smear the Chinese government.
No matter what kind of government China is having now, as long as China is progressing economically and becoming wealthy, one day the country will be mature enough to embrace democrasy.

Despite your much vaunted English skills you evidently haven't been able to discern between a column and a news article.

[Sly]

ngali wrote:

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Despite your much vaunted English skills you evidently haven't been able to discern between a column and a news article.

Whether it's a column (commentary) or a news article, it doesn't matter. The general public doesn't know nor care about the difference. The goal of the media is to convey the messages to the readers to influence and form their individual opinion.