When China Rules The World

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#1954 Dec 7, 2012
RayH wrote:
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China collape this, collapse that. The West has been saying that for over 30 years. Well?
We keep saying that because China hasn't been growing according to any plan, the have been devestating blows as well as great laps for lack of a better word. But the main reason the whole god damb thing hasn't crushed yet is because no expected the CCP to keep buying this much US treasury bills this long EFFECTIVELY KEEPING ITS OWN PEOPLE POOR.

But they did. Now that is of little use because other pressures which I keep mentioning over and over again have come to the fond.

Not many people want a collapse of the people's Republic as oppossed to the millions around the world and China who want to see the West fall despite the fact that that would total fxck up commerce and send people in deveoping countries including China all back 100yrs economically.

FYI China's aging population is set to become unworkable in 2016, when did u say China will become the Biggest economy in the world and a developed country again?

Since: Jun 12

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#1955 Dec 7, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
^ btw China came out of that mess having to impose tightening measures...
while the USA to this day has been pumping no less than 600 billion into its economy...
yes there are lots of problems in China...
but no where near the problems the USA has right now
Impose tightening measures...
while the USA to this day has been pumping no less than 600 billion into its economy...
yes there are lots of problems in China...
but no where near the problems the USA has right now
Thats it, thats the plan? Impose tightening measures? Oh ur ignorance no bounds when ur a big girl u will understand ur errors.
Ok first in the very unlikely event that the US was to crush ignoring the bottoming out rule that states that the loss of value for a currency equates in a high demand for products that country produces via lower prices of commodities from that country and the simple fact that the USD is the world reserve currency and that would not be allowed to happen by anyone,not the Russians not the Chinese not even the Iranians or North Koreans.
...tightening measures will have no effect, its like what I always about austerity.....it has never worked before.
And even in event that an "unlikely unforeseeable divine like interference event that would be needed to actually make this workable" happened it would still be like rationing ur water waiting for rain in a desert where it will never rain again.
As much as the yanks are addicted to China's junk, Chinese are equally addicted to the US' addiction to their junk.
Its like a junkie and a dealer who also happens to be an addicted gambler.....that’s China if u haven't made the connection.....the habitual gambler dealer who always ends up losing all his money on bets, they haven't lost their money yet but u guys have invested in Greece and American treasury bills which in all likelihood u also gamble against both paying back allocating the same amount of money u just did while betting on both these economies.......the US I can understand but Greece, Greeks never pay back u fools.
blitz123

Chennai, India

#1957 Dec 7, 2012
RayH wrote:
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Better than Deadman 82.
now why didnt i think of that before,good one rayh
blitz123

Chennai, India

#1958 Dec 7, 2012
dreadman82 wrote:
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Love the hook but this isn't much of research love, i mean the sigs are all there if u only know what ur looking at. It is simple economics and global trade. And these magical graphs and stats are open for anyone to read online from very respected and distinguished sources not the happy commie news agency...aka Xinhua or China daily.
Am no genious, even if I wanted to give out "free commercials of my research" I would probably find a better site to air my views. Maybe I love being the one to tell people people the ships they thought wouldn't sink are sinking.
Who knows, but its not just jabber. If u have an arguement againstsome of my posts air ur arguement and I will counter u, in the end we have a constractive arguement and we both learn a thing or two.
Or u could drag it into the mud which is fine with me because I can also get down, but tend to avoid unconstructive posts as they benefit me not.
listen buddy,i appreciate ur work,u have done extensive study on this,but all of this research should be in vain,china is an authoritarian capitalistic state,it will take more than just ur amazing resarch work and thesis,and i know its not jabber,and yes surely i can learn a thing or two from u
Fatboy

Filipstad, Sweden

#1959 Dec 7, 2012
blitz123 wrote:
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poorman 82
Holy Smokes!You know that the end of the WORLD is nigh!...When a Indian guy is calling a Norwegian guy a POORman :o)
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#1960 Dec 7, 2012
dreadman82 wrote:
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Well I keep on mentioning the same points over and over again because u keep bring up the same surplus this, Chinese biggest economy in 2020 BS, same old shi'ite(love this word now....thank u Saudi Arabian) over and over.
I keep breaking ur arguement and explain why I say China's problem are fundermental, while those in the US and EU are merely stractural but just when am finished u drag me back to point A from point C....
FACT 1
Things wont get bad enough for an entire crush of the whole US ecnomy. As the economy tanks which it is not doing lately anyway just as I had said 2months ago when I first started arguing my point with u or some other little girl here on this thread, it will gain steam from US exports becoming cheaper and highly trained financial workers and other experts who have lost their jobs go it on their own setting up new sectors and industries just like in Iceland, probably more so because Americans are more highly trained then Icelanders and are more numerically.
FACT 2
China at the moment sits on a simmilar time bomb Japan was sitting on almost 25yrs ago, which is high public debt so high so early in its development and right before it attempts a whole transformation of its economy.
FACT 3
China's economy is largely dependant on government and export expenditures, the household demand u keep neglating to mention has fallen sharply since 07 yet it is this that is most valuable if the economy is to become sustainable.
FACT 4
Another reason why I say China's position is more sensitive then any developed country is because developed countries tend to bounce back from crisis' relatively sooner then developing countries.
For an example see again my post on Iceland and look at Argentina now. Even if these 40 states do go bankrupt, which I doubt they will mostly because am sure u took that right out of the pages of some US news agency(...don't u know in the West bad news is good news for the Media), bankrupcy is not the end of the world as I have said so many times.
It is actually very desirable in an advanced country such as the US economically because it will clean out the messy Obama Care, cut the double debting gravy trains many US senetors are riding and force government to be more efficient....ok I know it would come with a lot of suffering but in general such times really wake up the country, gold is refined with fire not roses and ice tea.
No, China becomes world's largest economy not in 2020, but in 2018.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#1961 Dec 7, 2012
Fatboy wrote:
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Holy Smokes!You know that the end of the WORLD is nigh!...When a Indian guy is calling a Norwegian guy a POORman :o)
Small country of few million people, one of them in jail for mass murder.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#1962 Dec 7, 2012
dreadman82 wrote:
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We keep saying that because China hasn't been growing according to any plan, the have been devestating blows as well as great laps for lack of a better word. But the main reason the whole god damb thing hasn't crushed yet is because no expected the CCP to keep buying this much US treasury bills this long EFFECTIVELY KEEPING ITS OWN PEOPLE POOR.
But they did. Now that is of little use because other pressures which I keep mentioning over and over again have come to the fond.
Not many people want a collapse of the people's Republic as oppossed to the millions around the world and China who want to see the West fall despite the fact that that would total fxck up commerce and send people in deveoping countries including China all back 100yrs economically.
FYI China's aging population is set to become unworkable in 2016, when did u say China will become the Biggest economy in the world and a developed country again?
2016 is when China will face serious worker shortages, even worse than now. Just import some illegals from any of those 10 countries surrounding China that are much poorer.

No worries, China's switching to a 2 child policy next year.
Fatboy

Filipstad, Sweden

#1963 Dec 7, 2012
RayH wrote:
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Small country of few million people, one of them in jail for mass murder.
Mmmmmmmmm.......and the reason you post this is.........boredom?
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#1964 Dec 7, 2012
RayH wrote:
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2016 is when China will face serious worker shortages, even worse than now. Just import some illegals from any of those 10 countries surrounding China that are much poorer.
No worries, China's switching to a 2 child policy next year.
So what do you think China's population will be in 2018?

How will you feed them when your increased pollution has poisoned all your land?
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#1965 Dec 7, 2012
I can read wrote:
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So what do you think China's population will be in 2018?
How will you feed them when your increased pollution has poisoned all your land?
Under 1.4 Billion.

Increased pollution? Not really. China is No. 1 in the world in Green Energy: Solar, wind, hydropower, geothermal, and soon nuclear. And also a leader in battery powered electric cars.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#1966 Dec 7, 2012
dreadman82 wrote:
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Well I keep on mentioning the same points over and over again because u keep bring up the same surplus this, Chinese biggest economy in 2020 BS, same old shi'ite(love this word now....thank u Saudi Arabian) over and over.
I keep breaking ur arguement and explain why I say China's problem are fundermental, while those in the US and EU are merely stractural but just when am finished u drag me back to point A from point C....
FACT 1
Things wont get bad enough for an entire crush of the whole US ecnomy. As the economy tanks which it is not doing lately anyway just as I had said 2months ago when I first started arguing my point with u or some other little girl here on this thread, it will gain steam from US exports becoming cheaper and highly trained financial workers and other experts who have lost their jobs go it on their own setting up new sectors and industries just like in Iceland, probably more so because Americans are more highly trained then Icelanders and are more numerically.
FACT 2
China at the moment sits on a simmilar time bomb Japan was sitting on almost 25yrs ago, which is high public debt so high so early in its development and right before it attempts a whole transformation of its economy.
FACT 3
China's economy is largely dependant on government and export expenditures, the household demand u keep neglating to mention has fallen sharply since 07 yet it is this that is most valuable if the economy is to become sustainable.
FACT 4
Another reason why I say China's position is more sensitive then any developed country is because developed countries tend to bounce back from crisis' relatively sooner then developing countries.
For an example see again my post on Iceland and look at Argentina now. Even if these 40 states do go bankrupt, which I doubt they will mostly because am sure u took that right out of the pages of some US news agency(...don't u know in the West bad news is good news for the Media), bankrupcy is not the end of the world as I have said so many times.
It is actually very desirable in an advanced country such as the US economically because it will clean out the messy Obama Care, cut the double debting gravy trains many US senetors are riding and force government to be more efficient....ok I know it would come with a lot of suffering but in general such times really wake up the country, gold is refined with fire not roses and ice tea.
no because you keep arguing from fiction rather than fact... and just move on when confronted about it...

case in point....

for starters you are still arguing as if Iceland went bankrupt...or defaulted on its soverign debt...

where the FACT is Iceland Nationalized its banks...and did not go bankrupt or default on its soverign debt...

comparing it to Argentina who defaulted on its soverign debt

this was gone over more than once before this...

you need to get your facts straight... or its pointless to have a debate with you if you dont correct your facts first...

and keep spouting of the same wrong facts 1 month later...
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#1967 Dec 7, 2012
RayH wrote:
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Under 1.4 Billion.
Increased pollution? Not really. China is No. 1 in the world in Green Energy: Solar, wind, hydropower, geothermal, and soon nuclear. And also a leader in battery powered electric cars.
send the Chinese rich to colonize the world
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#1968 Dec 7, 2012
dreadman82 wrote:
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Thats it, thats the plan? Impose tightening measures? Oh ur ignorance no bounds when ur a big girl u will understand ur errors.
yes dummy... Chinese imposed tightening measures because Real Estate prices and inflation started to sky rocket...

the same things you and your side are talking about in regards to the sky is falling, when it came to the China slow down...

if now you are saying those austerity measures dont work...

then whats the big deal... their GDP should bounce back once the Real Estate markets pick up again... tightening measures or not...

heck I would tighten even more... and tax even more if I was the Chinese Government...
venter

Runnemede, NJ

#1969 Dec 7, 2012
if you are chinese leave china and come to america..
blitz123

Chennai, India

#1970 Dec 7, 2012
Fatboy wrote:
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Holy Smokes!You know that the end of the WORLD is nigh!...When a Indian guy is calling a Norwegian guy a POORman :o)
i only joked,besides not all indians r as poor as u think,the most epensive home in the world was built by mukesh ambani a billionaire,called antilia in mumbai,this 27 storeyed,173 mtr skyscraper costs $1 billion,what do u have to say to that

“CCP Troll”

Since: Nov 08

Hebei, China

#1971 Dec 7, 2012
blitz123 wrote:
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i only joked,besides not all indians r as poor as u think,the most epensive home in the world was built by mukesh ambani a billionaire,called antilia in mumbai,this 27 storeyed,173 mtr skyscraper costs $1 billion,what do u have to say to that
How many people could have had a toilet in their neighborhood for that kind of money?
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#1972 Dec 8, 2012
RayH wrote:
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Under 1.4 Billion.
Increased pollution? Not really. China is No. 1 in the world in Green Energy: Solar, wind, hydropower, geothermal, and soon nuclear. And also a leader in battery powered electric cars.
Bullshit.

Satelite data shows you to be the worst polluted nation on earth and getting worse all the time.
old china

Chengdu, China

#1973 Dec 8, 2012
I can read wrote:
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Bullshit.
Satelite data shows you to be the worst polluted nation on earth and getting worse all the time.
The investment in developing green energy solutions in China (which probably is in excess of other nation's commitments these days) does not prohibit China from using coal which is where much of China's pollution comes from.

If you cast your mind or search engine back to the 50's, when the UK could also be categorised as a manufacturing nation, you will find that the UK suffered lethal (in the true sense of the word) smogs. It was as a result of that that smokeless fuel zones had to be introduced.

Given time the Chinese will complete their 'greening program but it is both naive and irrational to expect them to simply lay off their manufacturing workers, rebuild their infrastructure, placate their customers who would have to pay for the inflated prices of the products and accept no deliveries while it was all sorted out and continue to balance the books as usual. These things have to be phased in and that is something which China is probably doing at a more rapid pace than any other nation.

If you want pollution then go to the USA who was one of the beneficiaries of Japan’s nuclear disaster. Just in the first 3 months after the reactor's blew the USA recorded an additional 40,000 (if I remember correctly) deaths in the very old and the very young which was attributed to radioactive fallout but not widely publicised. The Japanese are using out of date American reactors which are still in service throughout the USA. The Japanese have plans to restart these reactors. In addition, nuclear and chemical waste is known to have been buried without record or accountability in many sites in the USA. Let as also not forget that using armaments tipped with depleted uranium is a very convenient method of exporting your problem of pollution.
old china

Chengdu, China

#1975 Dec 8, 2012
I can read wrote:
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Bullshit.
Satelite data shows you to be the worst polluted nation on earth and getting worse all the time.
To quote the Guardian newspaper:

"Looking at a country's total carbon emissions doesn't tell the full story of a country's contribution to global warming.

China, for example, is the world "leader" in total emissions (6018m metric tonnes of carbon dioxide) since it overtook the US (5903) in 2007. But all that really tells you is that China is a fast-developing country with a lot of people.

A more useful measurement is carbon emissions per capita (person). Under that measurement, the average American is responsible for 19.8 tonnes per person, and the average Chinese citizen clocks in at 4.6 tonnes.)

And for the record, the UK was, at that time, outputting 9.66 tonnes of Co2 per person so you can wipe that smug look off your face even though China's Co2 output has gone up by about 20% or so since then.

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