Chinese government gifts MA60 aircraf...

Chinese government gifts MA60 aircraft at Fua'amotu hand-over

There are 370 comments on the Matangi Tonga story from Jul 7, 2013, titled Chinese government gifts MA60 aircraft at Fua'amotu hand-over. In it, Matangi Tonga reports that:

In an emotional speech he said that it was the first of its type in the region but, "It is sad that the United States even New Zealand have not accepted this aircraft."

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eagger

Tonga

#194 Jul 15, 2013
stopit wrote:
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Why would i want Taiwanese blood or genes??? Khan you lick my arse instead! What the fck is a "commie nazi chinese" hahaha i don't give a flyin fck about your dramatic propaganda...mutt! As for your experts,they were picky who they sampled for DNA ..what's even more funny,is there were no melanesian genes in samoa hahahaha lmao tell me where they sampled Tongans? Island,Village? etc... we talkin bout a plane,what Tonga does with it? Has nothing to do with 'nazi chinese' wtf you smokin man? Looks like you're the one lookin for attention...
I'm still trying to understand what a commie nazi chinese is?lol.
eagger

Tonga

#195 Jul 15, 2013
stopit wrote:
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hehehe you no listen aye lol.. Ok maybe you don't know 'ama' you know 'Ngata'? The Progenitor of Tu'ikanokupolu? Yes? That's not recent... that's excluding samoans brought to Tonga by Tu'itonga...i'am talking about way back? Which back you talkin bout? lol. Call it whatever type of mix,but Tonganz were not Asians,yeah,i'm talkin bout first Tongan settlers too...man you no listen man hehehe
I guess our theories separate on the origins. as far as I know and have learnt so far, polynesians are a mix between melanesian and south east asian, and if your theory is correct, the first tongan settlers must have been pure melanesians, then became more polynesian mixing with samoans? But anyways, ive never really given much thought to the race or color of our first settlers, interesting topic
stopit

Australia

#196 Jul 15, 2013
Dumb Chinese wrote:
I can not understand why China would give a 30 million dollar gift to such undersrving,dumb, ungrateful and barbaric people. Chinese are supposed to be very smart. Heck Samoa is much closer to China,
many Samoans and Chinese are friends and even intermarry. Tongans are lazy and useless.
hihihi hahaha just ask China for a Plane already lol China is very smart. Genetically,samoa is closer to china....and Tongans weren't lazy nor useless when they invaded samoa...just ask for a plane gadamnit hihihi
stopit

Australia

#197 Jul 15, 2013
eagger wrote:
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I guess our theories separate on the origins. as far as I know and have learnt so far, polynesians are a mix between melanesian and south east asian, and if your theory is correct, the first tongan settlers must have been pure melanesians, then became more polynesian mixing with samoans? But anyways, ive never really given much thought to the race or color of our first settlers, interesting topic
So what are you sayin toko? Pure polynesian were Asians? hahahaha The mix between melanesian blood*fiji* was later,so was the Asian genes*samoa*.. The original Tongans were giants well built people,brown color to tan to Dark.. light brown.fair etc.. Some samoans were fair skinned due to their Asian gene... Get that theory off ya head,fiji and samoa did not create 'Tongans' it was Tongans that mixed with 'fijians' it was Tongans that went and mixed with 'samoans' Tongans wreaked and fckd everything in its path hihihi you no listen mann hihihi
stopit

Australia

#198 Jul 15, 2013
eagger wrote:
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I'm still trying to understand what a commie nazi chinese is?lol.
My Teacher didn't tell me that one,or maybe i wasn't listening in class...lol.
eagger

Tonga

#199 Jul 15, 2013
stopit wrote:
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So what are you sayin toko? Pure polynesian were Asians? hahahaha The mix between melanesian blood*fiji* was later,so was the Asian genes*samoa*.. The original Tongans were giants well built people,brown color to tan to Dark.. light brown.fair etc.. Some samoans were fair skinned due to their Asian gene... Get that theory off ya head,fiji and samoa did not create 'Tongans' it was Tongans that mixed with 'fijians' it was Tongans that went and mixed with 'samoans' Tongans wreaked and fckd everything in its path hihihi you no listen mann hihihi
lol na im not saying pure polynesians were asians, I'm saying polynesians are a mix between the two, like a liger, a pure liger is neither a lion or a tiger, its just a liger.lol. But yeah, i think we can agree to disagree on our original tongan history, and maybe you might agree with me that if they weren't actual giants, they'd be giants in my books for sailing over this great ocean, over a thousand years ago

raider4life

Since: Dec 12

Honolulu, Hi

#200 Jul 15, 2013
eagger wrote:
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I don't want to get involved in this samoa - tonga rivalry but are you saying Samoa should have got the plane?
yupp they getting tired of playing with Chinese submarines....hihihihihihihi
stopit

Helensvale, Australia

#201 Jul 15, 2013
eagger wrote:
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lol na im not saying pure polynesians were asians, I'm saying polynesians are a mix between the two, like a liger, a pure liger is neither a lion or a tiger, its just a liger.lol. But yeah, i think we can agree to disagree on our original tongan history, and maybe you might agree with me that if they weren't actual giants, they'd be giants in my books for sailing over this great ocean, over a thousand years ago
So,we be 'liger' then.k. hihihi nah,they weren't actual giants that stood 1xfeet in Tonga and the other foot on fiji...walking the ocean waist height...if such a thing happened? Probably in another world hehehe ka koe kakai tupu lahi kaukaua e fanga kui,and that was one advantage they had,and were able to do what they did!

Ok my 'liger' hihihi
coco

Palo Alto, CA

#202 Jul 15, 2013
'Oku tonu pe ke 'ai e Vaka ke fai mo puna pe'e a'u 'o Mahina kuo toe Hoko ha me'a Hahahah...
stopit

Helensvale, Australia

#203 Jul 15, 2013
coco wrote:
'Oku tonu pe ke 'ai e Vaka ke fai mo puna pe'e a'u 'o Mahina kuo toe Hoko ha me'a Hahahah...
Ke 'ilo 'coco' koe 'omai pe ha taha mei tu'a pule'anga kene fkpapau'i kae fiemalie e kakai,koe nounou ia... fehi'a moutolu he tenga'ikoa,sai'ia pe moutolu he noo pa'anga ee lol..

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#204 Jul 15, 2013
Malo e lelei from the Fatafata-Mafana, Taulanga e Lolo 'a Halaevalu.

Pea fakatapu ki he hou'eiki pea mo sola mo e vulangi 'oku fanifo he ngalu 'ea kae 'ataa keu lave ki he kavainga ni.

Who the hell made NZ lord over Tonga? If the government of China with 1.3 billion people says that the plane is safe than who the hell said it is not. Do we think for a minute that a life in China is less precious that a life in New Zealand? Don't be ridiculous.

Do you think that the Chinese government would allow a coffin to fly? Why don't you compare the MA60 aircraft and the Dash 8 (Canadian). The Dash 8 has more safety issues than the MA60...the only different is the MA60 is made in China and the Dash 8 is in Canada...do you get it? The West has a lot to lose if China got her foot into this very lucrative commuter aircraft business. My good folks, this is not about air safety but about control, economic control that is.

The people of China gave the people of Tonga a $24.0 Million gift and instead of saying thank you very much we took side with New Zealand who has threatened and took away a $10 Mil aid package they promised to give Tonga. Who should we consider friend? The one who broke her promise or the one who gave unconditionally. New Zealand acted childishly when she doesn't get her way.

China is forcing the old masters of the Pacific to put up or shut up. In other words, New Zealand must match the gift of the people of China or be forced to shut the hell up. As any bullies on the play ground, New Zealand puffs and huffs and complains that the house is made of brick. The government of NZ is a bully and has been for a very long time and now she has been challenged by the Tongan government and she doesn't know how to react.

The old colonial mentality would be New Zealand down fall. Fiji in the last few years has shown New Zealand that she is a lightweight economically and politically. It would do her a lot of good to mind her own damn business. Given that she helps Tonga a lot but we have grown up and she should adapt if she wants to remain relevant in the scope of things.

China is the new economy power in the Pacific and NZ meekly hand out is no longer holds the weight she used to have. Come on, do the math,$3.0 Mil with over burden conditions or a straight $24.0 Mil gift. I am waiting for the day NZ would just fade away like all colonial masters of the past.

New Zealand cannot survive without the Pacific Islands. If she is wise, she should be part of the solution and not viewing herself as the only solution. Don't speak down at us like that we are simpletons.

New Zealand, you've taught us too well. We are a democracy. We elected our own representatives and formed our own government. We are doing very well for a four year old democracy. Perhaps you should reconsider your approaches and view Tonga as an equal partner in the Pacific but not your whipping boy.

Tu'a ofa atu,
Vavauan
PewPew

Hawthorn, Australia

#205 Jul 16, 2013
eagger wrote:
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I'm still trying to understand what a commie nazi chinese is?lol.
An angry Samoan who gets no gifts from his/her motherland
William51

Australia

#206 Jul 16, 2013
Well Makahunu perhaps you should ask your friends, the Chinese for more money and ditch New Zealand, Australia, the EU and the USA. They only supply nearly have the money it takes to run the Government of Tonga! You can also get the Chinese to visit Tonga as tourists so they can replace all those horrible Colonial people.

As for people fading away, it is more likely given comments in this forum, that Tongans will be the ones doing the fading as the Chinese overtake them and takeover businesses, retail, banks and anything else they can get.

Will I fly in the aircraft, not a chance.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#207 Jul 16, 2013
Malo Willie 51,

The Chinese are already here...hello, when did you check out to lunch. You are five years too late and were misreading my comment. It was the attitude of the current government of New Zealand toward Tonga that was troublesome. I did not speak against the people of New Zealand or any of the people from the countries you've mentioned above, the Vavauans have no beef with them. Let me see, give China five years...they will replace the white tourists to Vavau. There are less than 1,000 tourists who visit Vava'u annually. If someone told you differently you should ask where he hides them because they are NOT here and I live here too.

Wow, talking about reverse prejudice/discrimination and you are one of them hypocrites...absolutely shocking. I am assuming you're living oversea enjoying the fruit of your labor. No one tells you that you deserve to go back to Tonga because you're occupying a job that a native person should have. Why is it different when it comes to the Chinese who live and do business in Tonga? Your attitude toward the Chinese Tongans reflected a very un-Tongan stance on hospitality toward the sola and the muli. This same indifference gave the criminal elements in Tonga the excise to rob, beat and even murdered Chinese shopkeepers because they deserved what's coming to them. Our society should protect the solas and the mulis because our tradition demands it. I believe you are still in the mid-19th century perhaps living in the Mississippi delta...it is now the 21st century in case you just woke up.

We must learn to be more efficient and compete with the Chinese in their own game. If you can't than the best thing for you to do is to look for another line of work. Why should I pay more for your inefficiency when I can pay less at the Chinese shop for the same product? Efficiency and good services are the key words here my friend...economic 101.

The current government of NZ should've handled this situation diplomatically and out of the public eyes. Mr. Whatever His name was playing the Tongans against their government. He publically threatened our government and then removed promised aid that would have improved the Tongan economy just because Tonga wants to fly a Chinese made aircraft instead of the post WWII Convair (owns by Kiwis) they are pushing on Tonga.

The NZ government who taunted Tonga to adopted western style democracy for half a century and when the Tongan democratically elected government made a conscious move to accept a huge gift from the people of China, she acts like a spoil child...what an Indian Giver.

The New Zealand government does not realize that most of the tourist businesses in Vavau are Kiwis owned and they will suffer too. The NZ government is playing a very risky game that will be soon place them in the irrelevant status in the Pacific.

You see, the people in Tongatapu don't have to fly but the people of Vavau and Haapai, Eua and the Niuas MUST fly to Nukualofa to get anywhere in the world. We are the one should be deciding this...we cannot afford $620 for a round trip ticket. With the gift from China there is no loan to pay. The gift was also wrapped nicely with all the spare parts, pilot training programs, engineering and technical assistance, etc. We are expecting a drastic reduction in airfares of the local people and the tourists alike. The 'Otuanga 'Ofa is available if you don't want to fly but it'll take you 24 hours to get to Neiafu.

Tell me my dear friend, what are you complaining? Don't worry, I'll keep the seat warm for you in our brand new airplane.

Lolo forever!
maka
uiha

United States

#208 Jul 16, 2013
throw the chinese out of Tonga n we be better off with our laid back life that we used to who needs the chinese i say get rid of them n those that support them blood sukin mosquitos n keep the Tongan money that is flowin from the Tongans overseas in Tonga n not into chinese hands,that they send back to china pathetic dumb arses
eagger

Tonga

#209 Jul 16, 2013
@ makahunu, I agree that we should not marginalize chinese tongans and that we should learn to live with them coz we all are one people of this world.

On NZ, I disagree, NZ is not acting lordly at all, nor did they taunt us into getting democracy. A lot of people wanted democracy, it wasn't coz NZ told us to.

The Governments of Australia and NZ have long supported and given much aid to Tonga over the years. This tourism aid money they pulled is not ours by right, promised or not, it is NZ's own tax payer's money. And if they are concerned about this planes safety, any good friend would pressure a friend to have it checked out, not ignore it and hope the concerns was all for nought else something happens and everyone loses.

I don't think this is a power play, I think the reaction from NZ shows the pressure they thought was necessary to get their concerns heard by government. Of course, if they knew a quiet word would be enough to get the plane checked out, they would have done that, but if they knew it wasn't enough, they'd be forced to add more pressure.

Since safety standards vary from person to person and state to state. Frankly, I have no confidence in our own standards, and i dont believe they are very high when we look at the tragedy of the Ashika. We shouldn't measure it against China, coz that would be biased since it was manufactured in China. We should measure it against well respected safety standards in the international community.

I got nothing against China, nor am I for being ungrateful for the plane, and I'd like us to be close to all our friends in the international community. but for NZ to go that far, and for the history of plane crashes, gov should at least invite kiwi experts to have it checked out properly.
kauvaka

Tonga

#210 Jul 16, 2013
makahunu,in two of your posts you say "we are a democracy. We elected our own representatives....." and "....and when the Tongan democratically elected government...." How can you claim our government is democratically elected, how many votes did the prime minister receive, was it 3 or 4, how many did Clive Edwards receive?

h

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#211 Jul 16, 2013
kauvaka wrote:
makahunu,in two of your posts you say "we are a democracy. We elected our own representatives....." and "....and when the Tongan democratically elected government...." How can you claim our government is democratically elected, how many votes did the prime minister receive, was it 3 or 4, how many did Clive Edwards receive?
h
Malo Kauvaka,

Point taken and I agree with you that Tonga does not have a perfect democracy but my point is, who does? There is no such thing as a perfect democracy or any that could come close. Democracy is an idea but it comes in different shapes and sizes and we should pick one that fits our own state of affairs.

We are taking baby steps toward a democracy that is uniquely Tongan. A democracy that exist in harmony with our traditions and way of life. We are not palangis we are Tongan. We should learn the palangi ways but we should also mindful that we are a unique people with our own identity. I am sure the wise men that the people (we) elected to serve in the legislature would be also mindful of our unique culture and traditions. We should be patience. We need a democracy that evolve patiently but necessary slowly.

Malo aupito
maka
stopit

Australia

#212 Jul 16, 2013
A simple gift leading to a big issue hahaha just check the plane and fly the damn thing,and no,doesn't have to be NZ experts to check it,hell,get someone from Britain or whatever? Talk too much,just do it to eaze peoplez minds and fly already...sesele lol. You either ride or you don't,if NZ wants to cut ties? Fck it...sooky baba
Dumb Chinese

San Francisco, CA

#213 Jul 16, 2013
Tonga has no shame,accepting hand outs and left overs from China, while its ppl are as lazy and dumb as a bunch of alcoholics and hobos..

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