China is a bully.
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PepeLeFeux

Pierrefonds, Canada

#1 Nov 30, 2012
http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-south-...
Starting January 1 police in the southern Chinese island province of Hainan will board ships which enter what China considers its territory in the South China Sea, Ben Blanchard and Manuel Mogato of Reuters report.
"Activities such as entering the island province's waters without permission ... and engaging in publicity that threatens national security are illegal," the China Daily said. "If foreign ships or crew members violate regulations, Hainan police have the right to take over the ships or their communication systems."
The aggressive move raises the stakes in Asia's biggest trouble spot, which includes some of the world's busiest shipping lanes through which more than half the globe's oil tanker traffic passes.
"That cannot be," Marine Lt.-Gen. Juancho Sabban, commander of Filipino military forces in the contested area, told Reuters. "That's a violation of the international passage (rights)."
Several Asian countries claim sovereignty over small islands in the area that are significant as strategic territorial waters and potentially exclusive economic zones rich in natural resources and fish.
Dr. Ely Ratner, a Fellow at the Center for a New American Security, told BI that the move is the latest manifestation of China using diplomatic, economic or military coercion to advance territorial claims in the South China Sea and the East China Sea.
However, what's new here is that in other conflicts – such as the Scarborough Shoal, Sansha City or the Senkaku islands – China has said it is reacting to provocations from other nations, whereas in this case there is no claim that it is a reaction.
"It's unquestionably escalatory and destabilizing," Ratner said. "This is a unilateral action by China, and is the type of [proactive maneuver] that people have been worrying a lot about and keeping an eye out for."
Ratner said "there's no doubt that in the medium term the diplomatic pushback both within the regional and [from] outside powers is going to be pretty strong" given the fact that the world economy is largely dependent on freedom of navigation and freedom of passage through the South China Sea.
The U.S.– which has repeatedly emphasized that it has a national interest in free navigation in the region – has shifted military resources back to Asia.

What makes China's decree difficult to counter is that Beijing is using non-military and law enforcement agencies (which makes it appear less threatening than if they used naval ships) and have not expressed an interest in developing a code of conduct that would provide nations with a protocol for how to behave around disputed waters or even an interest in discussing what islands are disputed.
But that doesn't mean China will get away with it in the long run.
"This is not a long-term winning strategy for the Chinese," Ratner said. "Every time they do something like this, what we see is both enhanced cooperation among the regional states – and we're starting to see some of that already – and increased demand for U.S. presence and diplomatic participation in the region."
The enhanced U.S. attention has emboldened countries such as the Philippines and Vietnam to take a tougher stance against Beijing. Ratner said that the regional nations and the U.S. can speak with one voice on these issues, "they can provide a diplomatic counterweight to some of these activities."
Ratner noted that the U.S. will likely continue to place these types of incidents in the broader perspective of U.S.-China relations to communicate the seriousness of the stakes.
old china

Chengdu, China

#2 Nov 30, 2012
Both Japan and the Phillipines have been out arresting foreign nationals claimed to be fishing in disputed territorial waters so it seems only fair that China and others should be in a position to dish out the same treatment.

However, one has to assume that Canada turns a blind eye to poachers in what they regard as Canadian territory?
Jeff

Edmonton, Canada

#3 Nov 30, 2012
old china wrote:
Both Japan and the Phillipines have been out arresting foreign nationals claimed to be fishing in disputed territorial waters so it seems only fair that China and others should be in a position to dish out the same treatment.
However, one has to assume that Canada turns a blind eye to poachers in what they regard as Canadian territory?
Taiwan/Republic of China has made very consistent claims over the Paracels and Spratlys, and at the end of WW2, as a member of the victorious powers, ROC sent naval ships to accept many of these islands to resume sovereignty rights from the hands of the Japanese military. That is also made on the legitimate basis of the 9 section lines.

China maps with 9 section lines have been cited widely in old geography books or those in other subjects all over the world after WW2. Go to major university libraries and find some old American books.

Not only the allied powers did not object, and ROC's actions have won endorsement from them and there were no objection from any Asian countries.

All of the sudden with the finding of oil in the South China Sea, some countries opened their mouth to say these islands are "mine". All of the sudden, these people made such land claims ignoring their own constitutional documents and international treaties.

The famous 118 degree east longtitude line marks the territories of the Philippines as to the east. This border line was defined not only by several international treaties between Spain, USA, and Britain, but also consistently used as the basis of laws enacted by the Philippines govt (such as laws enacted in the 1960's).

(** You do not need to google such information. Go to any major and govt libraries in the Philippines, USA, Britain, and Spain, you can find the information of such treaties and the 118 degree line. Filipino people are ignoring such info. deliberately.**)

Suddenly, the Philippines reverses their policy.

But in additional to mainland China (PRC), and Taiwan/ROC, the Philippines and Vietnam, and in some locations Malaysia are competing for these islands and they also harrass the fishermen from the other side.

History and legal facts have been deliberately ignored by the Philippines and Vietnam in their disinformation campaign against China.

The abovementioned information can be easily verified by accessing materials in your major govt and university libraries if you want to.
LOL

Cupertino, CA

#4 Nov 30, 2012
This is funny. I take it that they are not afraid of China. Else, why would they pick fights with China?
Snowflake

San Francisco, CA

#5 Nov 30, 2012
China is not a bully, they are not fighters they are talkers.
LOL

Cupertino, CA

#6 Nov 30, 2012
Snowflake wrote:
China is not a bully, they are not fighters they are talkers.
Really? LOL
Well, there is a lack of respect for the Chinese. This means respect must earn. Perhaps, if China nuke the shit out of someone, then, maybe, they will give her the respect she deserves.
Snowflake

San Francisco, CA

#7 Nov 30, 2012
Many small nations have beaten China in the past,
Japan, Mongolia,Manchuria et al. China is all talk and no action, they are scared.
LOL

Cupertino, CA

#8 Nov 30, 2012
Snowflake wrote:
Many small nations have beaten China in the past,
Japan, Mongolia,Manchuria et al. China is all talk and no action, they are scared.
They were lucky. Situations at those times allow them to.

Now, China is different. China is strong. We have money to spend, and we can nuke the countries we don 't like. This is why if we nuke one country, I think it would be ok. We can gain some respect. They way, they will fear us.
LOL

Cupertino, CA

#9 Nov 30, 2012
Snowflake, Want to meet me today. I am going to SF..LOL
PepeLeFeux

Pierrefonds, Canada

#10 Nov 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>Taiwan/Republic of China has made very consistent claims over the Paracels and Spratlys, and at the end of WW2, as a member of the victorious powers, ROC sent naval ships to accept many of these islands to resume sovereignty rights from the hands of the Japanese military. That is also made on the legitimate basis of the 9 section lines.
China maps with 9 section lines have been cited widely in old geography books or those in other subjects all over the world after WW2. Go to major university libraries and find some old American books.
The Chinese are only good in lying, cheating, and stealing and tghis is a prime example of this evil chinese character. The 9-Dash Line is part of China's military doctrine of first island chain as the area it must secure and disable from American bases, aircraft and aircraft-carrier groups, if in defending itself it must tactically unleash a pre-emptive attack against an enemy.
The first island chain comprises of the first chain of major archipelagos out from the East Asian continental mainland coast. Principally composed of the Kuril Islands, Japanese Archipelago, Ryukyu Islands, Taiwan, the northern Philippines, and Borneo; from the Kamchatka Peninsula to the Malay Peninsula. Some definitions of the first island chain anchor the northern end on the Russian Far East coast north of Sahkalin Island, with Sahkalin Island being the first link in the chain

There is not even historical basis in China's claim in their rights to own the area covered by the 9-dash line. It is historically shared, since ancient times, by the people of all nations whose coastlines straddles the South China Sea. The Xhinese are always so quick to say "I own that" or "This is Mine" historically.
LOL

Cupertino, CA

#11 Nov 30, 2012
PepeLeFeux wrote:
<quoted text>
The Chinese are only good in lying, cheating, and stealing and tghis is a prime example of this evil chinese character. The 9-Dash Line is part of China's military doctrine of first island chain as the area it must secure and disable from American bases, aircraft and aircraft-carrier groups, if in defending itself it must tactically unleash a pre-emptive attack against an enemy.
The first island chain comprises of the first chain of major archipelagos out from the East Asian continental mainland coast. Principally composed of the Kuril Islands, Japanese Archipelago, Ryukyu Islands, Taiwan, the northern Philippines, and Borneo; from the Kamchatka Peninsula to the Malay Peninsula. Some definitions of the first island chain anchor the northern end on the Russian Far East coast north of Sahkalin Island, with Sahkalin Island being the first link in the chain
There is not even historical basis in China's claim in their rights to own the area covered by the 9-dash line. It is historically shared, since ancient times, by the people of all nations whose coastlines straddles the South China Sea. The Xhinese are always so quick to say "I own that" or "This is Mine" historically.
You talk too much. What are you going to do about it. I will to kill you all.
LOL

Cupertino, CA

#12 Nov 30, 2012
Pathetic, these half as monkeys don 't give respect.
Snowflake

San Francisco, CA

#13 Nov 30, 2012
China is getting very strong militarily and monetarily. They are not the same China as 60 yrs ago. Their last military action was against VN in 1987 I beleive, they wipe out VN's most advanced warships in less than 30 seconds in the disputed Islands.
LOL

Cupertino, CA

#14 Nov 30, 2012
Snowflake wrote:
China is getting very strong militarily and monetarily. They are not the same China as 60 yrs ago. Their last military action was against VN in 1987 I beleive, they wipe out VN's most advanced warships in less than 30 seconds in the disputed Islands.
We Chinese don 't think in 60. We think in 1000s. The point is, all those states needs realize their master. Now, they don 't have respect. That is not acceptable.
Jeff

Edmonton, Canada

#15 Nov 30, 2012
LOL wrote:
This is funny. I take it that they are not afraid of China. Else, why would they pick fights with China?
They think Americans will die for them!!!

Without USA, they will behave differently. They are all chickens IF without American support. They are playing such a trick to drag USA into the conflict.

Filipinos love to make belligerent statements all the time. They boasted of their military capabilities. Suddenly they may pretend to be victims to earn sympathy from other countries (esp. from USA). They have changed their attitudes back and forth in the last while.

A country of split personality that deserves no respect!

But China is quite quiet, and always says that they want a peaceful solution.

China only sent unarmed civilian/admin. patrol ships to Scarborough Shoal (Huang Yan Island), but the Philippines dispatch naval ship to capture Chinese fishermen.

Manila turn around to say China is the aggressor who sent Chinese navy to the area. Of course, that is just badmouthing!!!
Jeff

Edmonton, Canada

#16 Nov 30, 2012
LOL wrote:
<quoted text>
They were lucky. Situations at those times allow them to.
Now, China is different. China is strong. We have money to spend, and we can nuke the countries we don 't like. This is why if we nuke one country, I think it would be ok. We can gain some respect. They way, they will fear us.
Japan deserves your atomic bombs even though they blame your country and ask for an apology!!!
Jeff

Edmonton, Canada

#17 Nov 30, 2012
Snowflake wrote:
China is getting very strong militarily and monetarily. They are not the same China as 60 yrs ago. Their last military action was against VN in 1987 I beleive, they wipe out VN's most advanced warships in less than 30 seconds in the disputed Islands.
in 1979 when Vietnam invaded Laos and Cambodia and China launched an attack to shattered Vietnam's hegemoney in Indo-Chinese Peninsula.

Vietnam learned a dear lesson and dropped its dream of building a bigger Vietnam empire.
Jeff

Edmonton, Canada

#18 Nov 30, 2012
PepeLeFeux wrote:
<quoted text>
The Chinese are only good in lying, cheating, and stealing and tghis is a prime example of this evil chinese character. The 9-Dash Line is part of China's military doctrine of first island chain as the area it must secure and disable from American bases, aircraft and aircraft-carrier groups, if in defending itself it must tactically unleash a pre-emptive attack against an enemy.
The first island chain comprises of the first chain of major archipelagos out from the East Asian continental mainland coast. Principally composed of the Kuril Islands, Japanese Archipelago, Ryukyu Islands, Taiwan, the northern Philippines, and Borneo; from the Kamchatka Peninsula to the Malay Peninsula. Some definitions of the first island chain anchor the northern end on the Russian Far East coast north of Sahkalin Island, with Sahkalin Island being the first link in the chain
There is not even historical basis in China's claim in their rights to own the area covered by the 9-dash line. It is historically shared, since ancient times, by the people of all nations whose coastlines straddles the South China Sea. The Xhinese are always so quick to say "I own that" or "This is Mine" historically.
"The 9-Dash Line is part of China's military doctrine of first island chain ..."- It shows you racist does not know the subject matter.

Which China you are talking about?

Which Chinese govt initiated the 9-dash line?

Isn't it clear you are ignorant of the subject matter?
PepeLeFeux

Pierrefonds, Canada

#19 Nov 30, 2012
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>"The 9-Dash Line is part of China's military doctrine of first island chain ..."- It shows you racist does not know the subject matter.
Which China you are talking about?
Which Chinese govt initiated the 9-dash line?
Isn't it clear you are ignorant of the subject matter?
Google that before calling somebody a racist. You are either one ignorant chinaman living in a democratic world and enjoying liberties guaranteed in Canada while supporting bullying of smaller nations by china. Go back to China and enjoy life as a communist over there. Canada does need an ugly chinaman like yourself.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#20 Nov 30, 2012
PepeLeFeux wrote:
http://www.businessinsider.com /chinese-south-china-sea-to-di sputed-waters-2012-11
Starting January 1 police in the southern Chinese island province of Hainan will board ships which enter what China considers its territory in the South China Sea, Ben Blanchard and Manuel Mogato of Reuters report.
"Activities such as entering the island province's waters without permission ... and engaging in publicity that threatens national security are illegal," the China Daily said. "If foreign ships or crew members violate regulations, Hainan police have the right to take over the ships or their communication systems."
The aggressive move raises the stakes in Asia's biggest trouble spot, which includes some of the world's busiest shipping lanes through which more than half the globe's oil tanker traffic passes.
"That cannot be," Marine Lt.-Gen. Juancho Sabban, commander of Filipino military forces in the contested area, told Reuters. "That's a violation of the international passage (rights)."
Several Asian countries claim sovereignty over small islands in the area that are significant as strategic territorial waters and potentially exclusive economic zones rich in natural resources and fish.
Dr. Ely Ratner, a Fellow at the Center for a New American Security, told BI that the move is the latest manifestation of China using diplomatic, economic or military coercion to advance territorial claims in the South China Sea and the East China Sea.
However, what's new here is that in other conflicts – such as the Scarborough Shoal, Sansha City or the Senkaku islands – China has said it is reacting to provocations from other nations, whereas in this case there is no claim that it is a reaction.
"It's unquestionably escalatory and destabilizing," Ratner said. "This is a unilateral action by China, and is the type of [proactive maneuver] that people have been worrying a lot about and keeping an eye out for."
Ratner said "there's no doubt that in the medium term the diplomatic pushback both within the regional and [from] outside powers is going to be pretty strong" given the fact that the world economy is largely dependent on freedom of navigation and freedom of passage through the South China Sea.
The U.S.– which has repeatedly emphasized that it has a national interest in free navigation in the region – has shifted military resources back to Asia.
What makes China's decree difficult to counter is that Beijing is using non-military and law enforcement agencies (which makes it appear less threatening than if they used naval ships) and have not expressed an interest in developing a code of conduct that would provide nations with a protocol for how to behave around disputed waters or even an interest in discussing what islands are disputed.
But that doesn't mean China will get away with it in the long run.
"This is not a long-term winning strategy for the Chinese," Ratner said. "Every time they do something like this, what we see is both enhanced cooperation among the regional states – and we're starting to see some of that already – and increased demand for U.S. presence and diplomatic participation in the region."
The enhanced U.S. attention has emboldened countries such as the Philippines and Vietnam to take a tougher stance against Beijing. Ratner said that the regional nations and the U.S. can speak with one voice on these issues, "they can provide a diplomatic counterweight to some of these activities."
Ratner noted that the U.S. will likely continue to place these types of incidents in the broader perspective of U.S.-China relations to communicate the seriousness of the stakes.
Japs and Flips have been doing that for ages.

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