Thousands in Taiwan protest China tra...

Thousands in Taiwan protest China trade deal

There are 13 comments on the Courier News story from Mar 30, 2014, titled Thousands in Taiwan protest China trade deal. In it, Courier News reports that:

Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators gathered in the streets around Taiwan's Parliament on Sunday to voice their opposition to a trade pact with China, part of a nearly 2-week-old protest that is challenging the president's policy of moving the democratic island economically closer to China.

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Cannon

Calgary, Canada

#1 Mar 30, 2014
Take the trade deal back. Give one tea leaf egg to every demonstrator.
New China

Zhengzhou, China

#2 Mar 30, 2014
tea leave egg is not bad.
AAA

Singapore, Singapore

#3 Mar 30, 2014
Cannon wrote:
Take the trade deal back. Give one tea leaf egg to every demonstrator.
That will be 110,000 tea leaf eggs and same number of plastic bags. Not environmental friendly and they will litter the road with egg shell.

How about 200 NT each directly into the bank account will be a neater solution.
Gengis khan

Palmerston North, New Zealand

#4 Mar 30, 2014
well triple A, even "want want" news admits police got the numbers wrong, and that there were at least 500.000 there. That's to many eggs to dish out.
But I bet your good friend Annette would like to give one to Ma
AAA

Singapore, Singapore

#5 Mar 31, 2014
Gengis khan wrote:
well triple A, even "want want" news admits police got the numbers wrong, and that there were at least 500.000 there. That's to many eggs to dish out.
But I bet your good friend Annette would like to give one to Ma
Didn't know "Want Want" is into media now, thought they are only good at crackers and milk.

Yeah, Ma is trapped in his office, the tea leaf egg will be a timely snack. But probably more effective if white wolf from zhu lien bang have a heart to heart chat with Lin Fei Fan and Chen Wei Ting over oolong and Annette's eggs.

Annette is better than many of the DPP old guards, but I don't think she will have enough support within DPP. Chen Shui Bian should have handed over to her in exchange for a presidential pardon. I will definitely make some fine English tea if Annette visit London, and we can have a good laugh over silly Taiwan politics. Pity Chu Mei-feng don't have her cafe anymore.

DPP is not without good people, the problem is they are undermined by the stubborn old guards too obsessed with personal politics and no good ideas. People like Yang Chiu-hsing and Sisy Chen simply got fed up and left the party.
Tang dynasty

Toronto, Canada

#7 Mar 31, 2014
Looks like for these America ass kissers, pleasing their American overlord is more important than their country's bread and butter.
AAA

Singapore, Singapore

#8 Mar 31, 2014
Tang dynasty wrote:
Looks like for these America ass kissers, pleasing their American overlord is more important than their country's bread and butter.
Uncle, today's Taiwan does not have to please the Yanks, OK. True, the yanks may be concern about their interests amid a closer cross strait relation, same with the Japs. But ultimately it is still for China and Taiwan to determine the speed and the direction they want to take. The main issue is still Taiwan's opposition party and public opinion. Taiwan opposition is very vocal and disruptive, but that is their agenda, i.e. maintain status quo or slow the process of integration. However, if public opinion is for further integration, then DPP will have to alter their policy....eventually.
Gengis khan

Palmerston North, New Zealand

#9 Apr 2, 2014
AAA wrote:
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Uncle, today's Taiwan does not have to please the Yanks, OK. True, the yanks may be concern about their interests amid a closer cross strait relation, same with the Japs. But ultimately it is still for China and Taiwan to determine the speed and the direction they want to take. The main issue is still Taiwan's opposition party and public opinion. Taiwan opposition is very vocal and disruptive, but that is their agenda, i.e. maintain status quo or slow the process of integration. However, if public opinion is for further integration, then DPP will have to alter their policy....eventually.
Well Triple, you seem to be usually well informed on Taiwan matters,, but maybe you have been to long out of the country. and it is starting to show.
Let me tell you for a fact, that there will be no "integration", never, and this is backed up by public opinion, in fact as time goes by and the younger generation becomes of age this becomes more apparent year after year.
I notice now how HKese watch with interest what is happening, and add their voice as wel.
You mentioned the other day about another friend of yours " Chang An Le". well he and his commie gangsters fronted up yesterday, and started heckling the students and threatening them, it didn't work, they out witted him and this is his retort(plz google it)

At one point, Chang, apparently upset by pro-Sunflower supporters calling him a gangster, angrily shouted:“You are all fucking offspring of Chinese, but you do not deserve to be Chinese. Chinese people do not want you.”

The students responded with applause and laughter, with many shouting:“We are not Chinese anyway. We are Taiwanese.

remember the old saying, "win the hearts and minds of the people".
I am sorry Triple,, but your dream of Taiwan ever being part of the evil empire of commie china,, is just that. A dream.
ask your knee
AAA

Singapore, Singapore

#10 Apr 2, 2014
Gengis khan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Triple, you seem to be usually well informed on Taiwan matters,, but maybe you have been to long out of the country. and it is starting to show.
Let me tell you for a fact, that there will be no "integration", never, and this is backed up by public opinion, in fact as time goes by and the younger generation becomes of age this becomes more apparent year after year.
I notice now how HKese watch with interest what is happening, and add their voice as wel.
You mentioned the other day about another friend of yours " Chang An Le". well he and his commie gangsters fronted up yesterday, and started heckling the students and threatening them, it didn't work, they out witted him and this is his retort(plz google it)
At one point, Chang, apparently upset by pro-Sunflower supporters calling him a gangster, angrily shouted:“You are all fucking offspring of Chinese, but you do not deserve to be Chinese. Chinese people do not want you.”
The students responded with applause and laughter, with many shouting:“We are not Chinese anyway. We are Taiwanese.
remember the old saying, "win the hearts and minds of the people".
I am sorry Triple,, but your dream of Taiwan ever being part of the evil empire of commie china,, is just that. A dream.
ask your knee
I don't know Chang An Le, just jiu yang da ming. I did know Hong Men people, but that was long time ago, many probably already passed away. Bottom line is Taiwan needs to progress, the young people need a future and jobs. Taiwan desperately needs economy growth. During Asia Currency crisis, Taiwan was the strongest of the 4 tiger economies. Now look at Taiwan compared to Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong. Taiwan has the brain, talents and potential, but has been paralysed by political infighting. Even the education system is not that great anymore. Talents outflow, see how Singapore absorbs Wu Bao Chun....its San Gu Mao Lu, OK?

The student protesters have send their message, objective achieved, so there is no more reason to continue sitting in the legislative council and disrupt the process.

The real reason behind the protest is young people are uncertain about their future and unhappy about the political system which is not supportive of Taiwan's aspirations, and not CSSTA or ECFA itself. This sentiment has been hijacked by DPP and the pro-independence faction. DPP or pro-independence will not offer a better solution, it will only prolong the uncertainty.

I visit Hong Kong often enough, still a dynamic city. Yes, many Cantonese people are fiercely protective of their democracy, hence can be vocal if their local freedom is threatened by mainland China. However you have to know Hong Kong people are also fiercely patriotic, the whole Sun Yat Sen thing, beifa and Xinhai revolution were funded/started by South China and South East Asia. Hong Kong people has been consistent in fighting for diaoyu tai long before mainland Chinese, and must stronger than Taiwan itself. That patriotism or identity is what Taiwan is lacking, despite Hong Kong being a British colony for almost a century.
AAA

Singapore, Singapore

#11 Apr 2, 2014
Gengis khan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Triple, you seem to be usually well informed on Taiwan matters,, but maybe you have been to long out of the country. and it is starting to show.
Let me tell you for a fact, that there will be no "integration", never, and this is backed up by public opinion, in fact as time goes by and the younger generation becomes of age this becomes more apparent year after year.
I notice now how HKese watch with interest what is happening, and add their voice as wel.
You mentioned the other day about another friend of yours " Chang An Le". well he and his commie gangsters fronted up yesterday, and started heckling the students and threatening them, it didn't work, they out witted him and this is his retort(plz google it)
At one point, Chang, apparently upset by pro-Sunflower supporters calling him a gangster, angrily shouted:“You are all fucking offspring of Chinese, but you do not deserve to be Chinese. Chinese people do not want you.”
The students responded with applause and laughter, with many shouting:“We are not Chinese anyway. We are Taiwanese.
remember the old saying, "win the hearts and minds of the people".
I am sorry Triple,, but your dream of Taiwan ever being part of the evil empire of commie china,, is just that. A dream.
ask your knee
On the topic of Zhu Lien Bang, do you naively think that prominent figures in DPP don't know them?
Uncle Tong

Vancouver, Canada

#12 Apr 3, 2014
When someone is killing himself, what would you do? Lets look at the political turmoil in Taiwan, which is triggered by how the service trade agreement with the Chinese mainland.

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We know this saying very well: "One man's meat is another man's poison."

It all depends where you stand at the moment.

When Taiwan is fighting against the service trade pact with China, who will benefit from it. Hong Kong, and Singapore have great potential to benefit from Taiwan's political turmoil.

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Taiwan's DPP has successfully gathered enough support to fight against President Ma's trade pact with China. People (and university students) occupied the Legislative Yuan and Executive Yuan illegally. I wonder what all these illegal acts have to do with democracy.

Mr. David Brown, AIT (USA's representative in Taiwan) already explicitly criticized all these acts as illegal and harmful to democracy. Now you can see how much these anti-trade pact activities have done to tarnish Taiwan's international image as a democracy and business center.

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DPP is willing to sacrifice the economic future of Taiwan in exchange of political gains. Without such a trade pact with China, Taiwan will lose out in international trade with other countries since most of the latter are members of some FTA's.

Taiwan will become more isolated and lose the last pile of competitive capabilities she possesses.

Thus, it is certain that Taiwan is no longer a decent place for investment. Not only foreign firms and investors should stay away from Taiwan and her stock market. Taiwanese businesses should relocate their headquarters to foreign countries in order to qualify FTA treatments.

Singapore can provide such services to Taiwan businesses. The government should simplify the application procedures and provide Taiwanese investors and business owners financial and administrative support in this regard.

In fact, one of my Taiwanese friends has already begun to explore ways to relocate to Singapore. Once registered as a Singaporean legal entity, his firm will better survive the competition in global trade.

Another possibility is for Taiwanese firms to register in Hong Kong and be qualified for preferential treatment granted by CEPA and other FTA's.

Macao may be able to benefit from Taiwan's political turmoil if the government acts fast.
AAA

Singapore, Singapore

#13 Apr 3, 2014
Uncle Tong wrote:
When someone is killing himself, what would you do? Lets look at the political turmoil in Taiwan, which is triggered by how the service trade agreement with the Chinese mainland.
--------
We know this saying very well: "One man's meat is another man's poison."
It all depends where you stand at the moment.
When Taiwan is fighting against the service trade pact with China, who will benefit from it. Hong Kong, and Singapore have great potential to benefit from Taiwan's political turmoil.
----------
Taiwan's DPP has successfully gathered enough support to fight against President Ma's trade pact with China. People (and university students) occupied the Legislative Yuan and Executive Yuan illegally. I wonder what all these illegal acts have to do with democracy.
Mr. David Brown, AIT (USA's representative in Taiwan) already explicitly criticized all these acts as illegal and harmful to democracy. Now you can see how much these anti-trade pact activities have done to tarnish Taiwan's international image as a democracy and business center.
----------
DPP is willing to sacrifice the economic future of Taiwan in exchange of political gains. Without such a trade pact with China, Taiwan will lose out in international trade with other countries since most of the latter are members of some FTA's.
Taiwan will become more isolated and lose the last pile of competitive capabilities she possesses.
Thus, it is certain that Taiwan is no longer a decent place for investment. Not only foreign firms and investors should stay away from Taiwan and her stock market. Taiwanese businesses should relocate their headquarters to foreign countries in order to qualify FTA treatments.
Singapore can provide such services to Taiwan businesses. The government should simplify the application procedures and provide Taiwanese investors and business owners financial and administrative support in this regard.
In fact, one of my Taiwanese friends has already begun to explore ways to relocate to Singapore. Once registered as a Singaporean legal entity, his firm will better survive the competition in global trade.
Another possibility is for Taiwanese firms to register in Hong Kong and be qualified for preferential treatment granted by CEPA and other FTA's.
Macao may be able to benefit from Taiwan's political turmoil if the government acts fast.
Well said Uncle Tong. I hope the students and DPP will realise how much damage they are doing to Taiwan.

There are already many Taiwanese with common sense in Singapore, New Zealand, Malaysia, China, Australia, Hong Kong, US, Cambodia, Panama etc representing massive jobs and opportunities loss in Taiwan. What DPP and the students are doing is suicidal.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#15 Apr 5, 2014
AAA wrote:
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Well said Uncle Tong. I hope the students and DPP will realise how much damage they are doing to Taiwan.
There are already many Taiwanese with common sense in Singapore, New Zealand, Malaysia, China, Australia, Hong Kong, US, Cambodia, Panama etc representing massive jobs and opportunities loss in Taiwan. What DPP and the students are doing is suicidal.
If Taiwan's public is dumb enough to vote the DPP back to power in 2016, you can write off Taiwan economy. Bye-bye.

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