Should Outer Mongolia be Returned to ...

Should Outer Mongolia be Returned to China

Created by KMT Chinese Nationalist on May 8, 2014

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NO - Outer Mongolia does not belong to China

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KMT Chinese Nationalist

Peru, IN

#1 May 8, 2014
New Referendum and Plebiscite for the Reunification of Chinese Outer Mongolia with China Proper. Very brief history:

Brief and Unbiased History: Outer Mongolia was a tributary of the Great Qing Empire. After the 1911 Revolution, Sovereignty of Outer Mongolia passed to the newly founded Republic of China (1912). The Chinese National Revolutionary Army and Soviet Red Army fought engagements in and around Outer Mongolia. The USSR after expelling the Kuomintang Forces, turned Outer Mongolia into a puppet state. Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin, coerced Chiang Kai-shek into recognizing the Mongolian People's Republic.

Mao Zedong had also hoped to see Outer Mongolia returned to China. Therefore to gauge popular opinion of the issue from the Mainland and Overseas Chinese I want to ask all Chinese posters for a quick up down vote.

Before you vote look at the Map of the Qing Dynasty and Greater China with Outer Mongolia rightfully included and look at the Current Map of China. After you have viewed both maps, cast your vote.
KMT Chinese Nationalist

Peru, IN

#2 May 8, 2014
My Ideal Map of Greater China with Outer Mongolia and Taiwan Province - DA ZHONGGUO

http://www.globalsecurity.org/jhtml/jframe.ht... |||China History Map - Qing / Ch'ing (Manchu)

I cast my vote for the return of Outer Mongolia to Our Sacred and Greater China!
KMT Chinese Nationalist

Peru, IN

#3 May 8, 2014
If Outer Mongolia is restored to China, she will become the 2nd largest nation, 2nd only to Russia.

This Vote / Poll is for the Ethnic Chinese only.
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#4 May 8, 2014
Wrong title which needs to be corrected.

'Should be Returned'

Expecting whom 'to return' Outer Mongolia to China?
KMT Chinese Nationalist

Peru, IN

#5 May 8, 2014
Outer Mongolia has always been part of the Sacred Territory of Greater China. The Russians did to China exactly what she is doing now in Ukraine's Crimea. A damned referendum to break away someone else's territory.

The Soviet Union forced Chiang Kai-shek to recognized a coerced plebiscite which separated Outer Mongolia from China. Since the plebiscite-referendum for Mongolia independence was forced upon China, it is not legitimate.

In 1945 October, the Soviet Union forced a referendum in Chinese Outer Mongolia, with only 500,000 people participating, and in an instant cut away 15% of China’s territory!
Russia has invaded and took over the Chinese Territory of Tannu Uriankhai (Tuva).

In the Future, I hope the Chinese Government, will renegotiate all these remaining unfair and unequal treaties (unfair and unequal outcomes) from a Position of Strength and finally right all the wrongs of history and restore Greater China. This in my mind, is the ultimate Chinese Dream.

It drives me to rage, to even think that the Anglo Imperialists felt they had legitimate ground to negotiate the hand over of Hong Kong. China should have taken Hong Kong back many, many, many decades ago! The Anglo imperialists had no ground to even negotiate with China!
2 Cents

Taipei, Taiwan

#6 May 8, 2014
I like Mongolian barbecue. The Mongolian prostitutes in the spas in Macau were good looking too.
KMT Chinese Nationalist

Peru, IN

#7 May 9, 2014
Forget about Mongolian BBQ and girls - this is about the return of Lost Chinese Territory. I don't care if its the Russians, French, American, or British - the loss of Chinese territory must be rectified.

The Russians stole Chinese territory in the name of their soviet style socialism, the Anglo-imperialists in the name of the British crown.

The Americans merely wanted to get their slice of the action and formulated the "Open Doors Policy" - to ensure that every western nation has a chance to exploit China in turn, including the U.S.
KMT Chinese Nationalist

Peru, IN

#8 May 9, 2014
All the wrongs and humiliations which China has suffered and endured will be rectified in due time.

Since: Feb 14

Tejgaon, Bangladesh

#9 May 10, 2014
Just get back your emporer/empress back to china with 5% power or so, then 100% power of accepting new laws or reforms.

And go with a with a half-assed socalist democratic system(kidna like commie, but better), this system is much better then communist capitalist system china uses atm.

Do not go with two party system like USA because it's problematic.

Try one party for each section. Like paty for energy, investment, territory, health, pension, etc. Kinda like the Scandinavian Kingdoms. If china succes in that take back Mongolia and it's lost territory, it'd be fair enough, who'd complain, right?

And go for nationalistic way, it's the best way!

Now gl telling this to your CCP
KMT Chinese Nationalist

Peru, IN

#10 May 10, 2014
China is already a multi-party coalition government with direct grass roots level elections. China is an advanced socialist democracy.

I wholeheartedly agree that China should never adopt an adversarial party system of multiple parties sharing power in turn, this would tear the country apart, and I think this is why the western nations support those naïve dissidents - to promote chaos and revolution in China.

All progress and change must be done through the state system, under the leadership of the CCP - United Front. Those who oppose the CCP will get no where and only cause damage to the country.

No to multi-party democracy in China. Yes to the United Front consultation system which preserves and promotes national unity and not dangerous separatist dissent.

Since: Feb 14

Tejgaon, Bangladesh

#11 May 11, 2014
KMT Chinese Nationalist wrote:
China is already a multi-party coalition government with direct grass roots level elections. China is an advanced socialist democracy.
I wholeheartedly agree that China should never adopt an adversarial party system of multiple parties sharing power in turn, this would tear the country apart, and I think this is why the western nations support those naïve dissidents - to promote chaos and revolution in China.
All progress and change must be done through the state system, under the leadership of the CCP - United Front. Those who oppose the CCP will get no where and only cause damage to the country.
No to multi-party democracy in China. Yes to the United Front consultation system which preserves and promotes national unity and not dangerous separatist dissent.
Oh you saying china taxes 38-40% tax on it's people and rich people pay 60-70% tax? And health care is very good? Do you even know what a socalist democracy is? Few countries are socialist countries, and I am having a hard time believing countries like china can be socialist democracy. The only one ridin' the socalist democracy clubs are the countries with a monarchy and good nationalistic feeling. I also having to control 1,4 billion like china or around 350 million with a socalist system is not easy.

Have you seen India or any other south-asian country? It's a garbage bin! socialist countries mostly prime minster with great deal of power. Also the reason its so corrupt in two party system is because it doesn't work. The multi-party system works because every party has their own goal. Like one is religion other is for growth in GDP and so fourth. if one party performs well this first four years it'll re-selcted, if not then it'll have a hard tiem to get to keept the current government.

Since: Feb 14

Tejgaon, Bangladesh

#12 May 11, 2014
Ops, replace the I on also having to control 1,4 billion to and, I meant, And also having to control 1,4 billion.
ReadHistorydoyou see

Dallas, TX

#13 May 11, 2014
Well first you must define what is China, who it represents for ?

China in the past just a piece of land smaller than you rfinger nails on the map

http://www.chinafolio.com/wp-content/uploads/...

So why outer Mongols should return to China ?

A logically thinking, outer MOngols must return to the Mongols people, as wellas Tibet must return to Tibetans
Cannon

Calgary, Canada

#14 May 11, 2014
ReadHistorydoyousee wrote:
Well first you must define what is China, who it represents for ?
China in the past just a piece of land smaller than you rfinger nails on the map
http://www.chinafolio.com/wp-content/uploads/...
So why outer Mongols should return to China ?
A logically thinking, outer MOngols must return to the Mongols people, as wellas Tibet must return to Tibetans
As you said and following your logic, you should go back to Europe and return North American to Indian
KMT Chinese Nationalist

Peru, IN

#15 May 11, 2014
ReadHistorydoyousee wrote:
Well first you must define what is China, who it represents for ?
China in the past just a piece of land smaller than you rfinger nails on the map
http://www.chinafolio.com/wp-content/uploads/...
So why outer Mongols should return to China ?
A logically thinking, outer MOngols must return to the Mongols people, as wellas Tibet must return to Tibetans
America (US of A) in the past is just a piece of land, limited to the eastern seaboard (13 colonies), a small and puny nation on the map, which butchered and slaughtered its way through the Native American nation-states.

Logically Thinking, the Americans must return California, New Mexico, Nevada, Texas to the Republic of Mexico.

Logically Thinking, 80% of the current land comprising the U.S must be returned to the Native American nations.

Logically Thinking, The Kingdom of Hawaii Must be Returned to Native Hawaiian Sovereignty!

***You Foreigners talk so easily of slicing up China's sovereign territory, without giving any serious thought, because China is not your country.

***IF we are discussing your own countries, then lets see how willing you are to cede your lands away - then we will really being the discussion!

Since: Feb 14

Tejgaon, Bangladesh

#16 May 11, 2014
KMT Chinese Nationalist wrote:
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America (US of A) in the past is just a piece of land, limited to the eastern seaboard (13 colonies), a small and puny nation on the map, which butchered and slaughtered its way through the Native American nation-states.
Logically Thinking, the Americans must return California, New Mexico, Nevada, Texas to the Republic of Mexico.
Logically Thinking, 80% of the current land comprising the U.S must be returned to the Native American nations.
Logically Thinking, The Kingdom of Hawaii Must be Returned to Native Hawaiian Sovereignty!
***You Foreigners talk so easily of slicing up China's sovereign territory, without giving any serious thought, because China is not your country.
***IF we are discussing your own countries, then lets see how willing you are to cede your lands away - then we will really being the discussion!
Wow, that was actually a good point! I demand finland be returned to sweden!
jap killer

Beaverton, OR

#17 May 11, 2014
mongols should get out of mongolia, it belongs to china. ignorant yak herders!
jap killer

Beaverton, OR

#18 May 11, 2014
mongols still live in tents...they dont deserve land.
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#19 May 12, 2014
Yes, Outer Mongolia does not belong to China right now.
Outer Mongolia, as we all know simply by clicking on Wikipedia, was created when Josef Stalin snatched it from China to form a buffer nation to kind-of separating the two giant nations.
The CCP does not need to be reminded by any poster in this forum that Outer Mongolia was part of China. No country will 'return' Outer Mongolia to China. Russia does not own Outer Mongolia to return her to China. Mongolia is an independent nation registered with the United Nations.
China right now is in no hurry to recover Outer Mongolia. First it is because China does not want to alarm the United States and the western world that China is 'invading' again. Secondly, it is to China's advantage to keep things as it is because it has given the G.W. Bush administration an opportunity to
'fantasize' that we can us Outer Mongolia as a base to contain China.
According to a 2010 Gallop poll, Mongolians prefer the American leadership over that of China.---- So what?---Mongolia is a landlocked country, what good is that leadership preference for the Mongolians. It is a preference which cannot be converted into bread and butter for the Mongolians.
The Chinese government does not need one 'KMT Chinese Nationalist' to remind them that China should reclaim Outer Mongolia.
With Li Keqiang visiting the African nations and committing China to cooperate with billions and billions of dollars to modernize and reconstructing the African nations, Outer Mongolia will soon say,'wait a minute' what are we doing here standing alone all by ourselves when our Motherland, China, has all the resources to improve our lot.
China will not antagonize her neighbors China will not fire one single shot.
Outer Mongolia will soon be 'ASKING' to be allowed to re-incorporate herself into the Chines Motherland.
Wait and see how things are developing does not hurt. It is something that Confucius will recommend --patience.
muslims marry goats

Beaverton, OR

#20 May 13, 2014
nah...no matter how poor those mongolian doctors get they wont want to be returned to china. it has to be re-taken and repopulated. mongolian girls love chinese, so half of them are already good to go.

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