Remembering Tibet as an independent nation in Asia

May 16, 2014 Full story: CNN 158

Photo caption: The Tibetan flag made its official international appearance in 1947, at the First Inter-Asian Conference, which Mahatma Gandhi addressed.

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Jake Thomas

New Delhi, India

#1 May 19, 2014
Tibet as an independent country that was never part of China at least before 1280.
Eastern Turkestan and Inner Mongolia also not part of China, because, people in these two countries are not Chinese and nobody call these countries China as well.
But, China itself became part of Japan and Mongolia for several times!
drum head
G7nationsWorld Plunderers

United States

#2 May 19, 2014
How nice of you, NOT! And How charitable ? NOT As you had taken more from the world that had given back ! Take time ruminated about your War crimes against world humanity! IGNORANCE IS BLISS FOR YOU war mongers....! YOU THE WORLD EVILEST BUNCH!

During your early ugly history of Western Colonial imperialist invasions , you the evil Western Devils caused untold death and destruction in SE Asia ,, Latin America, Africa, Middle East .... by Plundering, killing , raping

You owe the WORLD for War Reparation... of what you did that has to not date been pay ,as you mass murdered, Bully the world people and plundered their raw resources and even destroyed land and property ...

Take you BS and Shove up your Western Warring grunting asses! It be Good for the world that you return to your hell , Satan! JAJAJAJAJA
Zhongguo Geming Jiangjun

Princeton Junction, NJ

#3 May 19, 2014
Jake Thomas - Go F* off you liberal white imperialist.

Tibet is an invisible part of our Sacred China.

You white foreigners never seem to comprehend the BASIC FACT - that your opinions no longer matter. We are no longer the weak sick man of East Asia but a Nuclear Super Power.

You have no say in China's internal affairs. No Western Power has any authority or say whatsoever with regards to Chinese Tibet or Taiwan Province! Get this basic truth through to your thick skulls.

The time of your domination over Greater China and Northeast Asia has ended!

China leads the People's of East Asia to Peace and Prosperity.

White Liberals who think they have something to say about Tibet - Go kill yourself!
G7nationsWorld Plunderers

United States

#4 May 19, 2014
Zhongguo Geming Jiangjun wrote:
Jake Thomas - Go F* off you liberal white imperialist.
Tibet is an invisible part of our Sacred China.
You white foreigners never seem to comprehend the BASIC FACT - that your opinions no longer matter. We are no longer the weak sick man of East Asia but a Nuclear Super Power.
You have no say in China's internal affairs. No Western Power has any authority or say whatsoever with regards to Chinese Tibet or Taiwan Province! Get this basic truth through to your thick skulls.
The time of your domination over Greater China and Northeast Asia has ended!
China leads the People's of East Asia to Peace and Prosperity.
White Liberals who think they have something to say about Tibet - Go kill yourself!
Correcting you barbarian war mongering White NEOCONs are one causing problem at home and Worldwide!
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#5 May 19, 2014
Jake Thomas wrote:
Tibet as an independent country that was never part of China at least before 1280.
Eastern Turkestan and Inner Mongolia also not part of China, because, people in these two countries are not Chinese and nobody call these countries China as well.
But, China itself became part of Japan and Mongolia for several times!
drum head
Which is as usual BULLSHIT!

I will not discuss about Tibet as the incendiary Indian above wished for

or

as Independence as Dalai Lama defined it. It is rumored that his successor LOBSANG Sangay, a 43-year-old Harvard scholar disagreed with his mentor on this.

or even discussed about the Simla Convention during which the British Colonialist Government in India tried to force KMT ruled China to give INDEPENDENCE to Tibet (The KMT realized he was tricked but he never signed any document hence today the UK Government has to recognized that Tibet is a Province of China)

Now my QUESTION to this nosy and interfering Indian who tried to distort and challenge Chinese histories with us?

1. Was India ever a single nation before the British Raj came and group the 470 districts ruled by many Maharaja, cheftain and warlords, etc?

2. Don't bother to tell me about Ashoka the Great, an Indian emperor of the Maurya Dynasty in Indian History as the great unifier? Ashoka the Great was in fact a frictional character created by John Princep of the East India Company. That is the greatest hoax and Indian Government quickly adopted it as Indian history without checking the facts like the MacMahon Lines that divided China and Indian borders.

3. Why didn't Indian Government still refuse to release the The Henderson Brooks-Bhagat report about the 1962 Sino-India War after nearly 60 years? Reason is because the report by this two officers Lieutenant-General T.B. Henderson Brooks and Brigadier Premindra Singh Bhagat, commandant of the Indian Military Academy assigned to investigate the incidence blamed Indian Politician for starting the war. And all this while Indian masses were brainwashed into thinking that China was responsible and the culprit just like what you post about Tibet.

4. Even the Title "Dalai Lama" was bestowed to the first Dalai Lama by a Chinese Emperor.

5. The Potala Palace was built by Chinese as decree by the Emperor of China because Tibet is a China territory.

6. The funny thing here is the GOVERNMENT OF INDIA recognized Tibet as China and why are saying the opposite and who are you?
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#6 May 20, 2014
The Simla Convention was planned and convened by the British Colonial Government tried to separate Tibet which they knew was China from China as the French did with IndoChina.

As the whole thing was practically forced upon the KMT representative who was present, he was very clever and escape without signing any document and so the British Colonial Government in India tried another trick.

They proclaimed that since China representative did not signed, they will applied the "Law of Acquiescence" which was and is ILLEGAL under any INTERNATIONAL LAW but applied in some domestic law.

So you see "Dalai Lama" allegation that Tibet was an Independence nation is NOTHING but a HOAX created by the British and TODAY the British have to eat HUMBLE PIE as UK today recognized that Tibet is an inalienable territory of China.

Like the Oil Rig incidence, you can tricked some people by repeating the same lies 100X 1000X but is that the truth?

Fact is fact and unless you can come out with the evidence, the only solution is an 800 lb gorilla tearing the monkey apart.

Did USA discovered WMD in Iraq as they alleged? Why was USA or UK not punished for invading another sovereignty states as stated under International Law. Reason is plain and simple!

A 800 lb Gorilla tower over the rest and who can enforce it anyway?

Both Russia and China learn it from USA and NATO and today it is better for them (USA or the West) to keep their traps shut in order not to embarrassed themselves being brand as a BIG TIME HYPOCRITE!
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#7 May 20, 2014
Jake Thomas wrote:
Tibet as an independent country that was never part of China at least before 1280.
Eastern Turkestan and Inner Mongolia also not part of China, because, people in these two countries are not Chinese and nobody call these countries China as well.
But, China itself became part of Japan and Mongolia for several times!
drum head
Next a remnant of the Great Wall of China was founded inside MONGOLIA by the British proved that Mongolia itself was China proper.

So the question is: Why is Mongolia?

It begins with:-

1. Was Mongolia ever a nation or a state? Temujin or known in the West as Gengzhi Khan was in fact one of the tribe dwelling in the grassland. His success was being able to united all the nomadic tribes and clan in the steppes as one e. Kitan, Jurjen, Tartar, Kazath, etc

2. They were shamanists and not MUSLIM as alleged although some of them converted as they married their captives.

3. Although Yuen Dynasty ( Mongol Dynasty) tried to invade Japan once, but their plans were foiled by a freak Typhoon.

4. As for the allegation that that "China itself became part of Japan and Mongolia for several times" I nearly died laughing! When? Even during the 1930's Japan failed to conquer China as a nation.

5. But here is the most HUMILIATING part for India. India was not conquered or invaded by the army British Empire but by a COMPANY called "East India Company" who later present their covetted prize as a present to the King of the British Empire and you guess for for long?

6. If not for the British, there is NO INDIA today and even today it is an associated by agreement which Mohammed Gandhi agreed but not uphold. That is why, there are so many separatist movement in India today - approx 400 in all e.g. Bodoland, Khalistan, Nagaland, Manipur, etc etc
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#8 May 20, 2014
So where is Mongolia?

My good guess is all the grassland in Central Asia and part of Siberia inside Russia.

Since Crimea has a lot of Tartar, is Crimea Mongolia?

Putin is part Tartar from Crimea and so is he a Russian or Mongolian?

That is a silly question because that is what some of you are doing, challenging logic like the one above from India.

After the death of Gengzhi Khan, all the tribes returned back home and to their ways. There was in fact NO NATION called Mongolia after that. Mongolia where some of Gengzhi Khan used to stay was referred as Mongolia Province in China.

If not for Stalin of the Soviet Union and his death, Mongolia will be returned back to PRC as the Qing Dynasty Map defined, the limit of China territorial claim today.
Geming Jiangjun

Princeton Junction, NJ

#9 May 20, 2014
It is so Amazing wrote:
So where is Mongolia?
My good guess is all the grassland in Central Asia and part of Siberia inside Russia.
Since Crimea has a lot of Tartar, is Crimea Mongolia?
Putin is part Tartar from Crimea and so is he a Russian or Mongolian?
That is a silly question because that is what some of you are doing, challenging logic like the one above from India.
After the death of Gengzhi Khan, all the tribes returned back home and to their ways. There was in fact NO NATION called Mongolia after that. Mongolia where some of Gengzhi Khan used to stay was referred as Mongolia Province in China.
If not for Stalin of the Soviet Union and his death, Mongolia will be returned back to PRC as the Qing Dynasty Map defined, the limit of China territorial claim today.
Yes - All of China's Lost Territories shall be Returned! We Chinese must NEVER forget lost territory, we must never yield even a micro millimeter, when it comes to Chinese Territorial Sovereignty! The Rejuvenation of China is the Mission of the Entire Chinese Nation! Compatriots on the Mainland, Taiwan, and Overseas must strive the Unity and Rejuvenation of the Motherland - only then will the Chinese People be respected world wide!

You are a true and good Comrade.
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#10 May 20, 2014
Geming Jiangjun wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes - All of China's Lost Territories shall be Returned! We Chinese must NEVER forget lost territory, we must never yield even a micro millimeter, when it comes to Chinese Territorial Sovereignty! The Rejuvenation of China is the Mission of the Entire Chinese Nation! Compatriots on the Mainland, Taiwan, and Overseas must strive the Unity and Rejuvenation of the Motherland - only then will the Chinese People be respected world wide!
You are a true and good Comrade.
Thank you, I am flattered but to be frank, I am merely stating facts.

Someone once asked me, "Is Chinese really COMMUNIST?"

My replies were:-

What is COMMUNISM? Isn't it merely an economic model based on Central Planning!

How can we refer to a race as an economic model?

IMO Chinese as whole whether they are in PRC, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, USA, etc should be described as CONFUCIUS.

Meaning Confucius is a way of lives of every Chinese and more or less genetically attached in their culture and wherever they may be whether it is in China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam or USA, etc e.g. Amy Chua and her description of how Chinese generally raised their child in her book controversial book "Tiger Moms" - It is a cultural shock for Westerners.

Why didn't I support Singapore being a 75~80% Chinese populated nation as a part of China?

Simple! In history, it was never and so for China to say claim Singapore is their is pure hegemony.

“Is better than Dogma”

Since: Mar 09

Peking Duck University

#11 May 20, 2014
TIBET country is definitely not Red China country
SEE: https://picasaweb.google.com/1174639660720124...

__________
Remember Tibet massacre 2008:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1174639660720124...

Tiananmen Square 1989:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1174639660720124...
Jake Thomas wrote:
Tibet as an independent country that was never part of China at least before 1280.
Eastern Turkestan and Inner Mongolia also not part of China, because, people in these two countries are not Chinese and nobody call these countries China as well.

But, China itself became part of Japan and Mongolia for several times!
drum head
Jake Thomas

New Delhi, India

#12 May 20, 2014
Soviet union, only father of China is already dead, its time for the totalitarian regime China to collapse!
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#13 May 20, 2014
Jake Thomas wrote:
Soviet union, only father of China is already dead, its time for the totalitarian regime China to collapse!
Most of the COLD WAR warriors have already home to the see their makers.

Are you the last of them?

Take an advice from me next time before you post...

Save up some money and take a trip to China and you will see or discover will astonished you. ECONOMIC FREEDOM is the REAL FREEDOM in populous state like India or China and not the FAKE FREEDOM in DEMOCRACY as projected by your news media or the Indian Propaganda Machinery.

I constantly travel to both China and India, lesser in the case of India as it is too hot and dirty for even us Malaysian.
G7nationsWorldPL UNDERERS

United States

#14 May 20, 2014
Full Spectrum Dominance
Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order
by F. William Engdahl
Third Millennium Press, 2009, paperback, p110
keyword(s)
American empire
global hegemony
Middle East
oil


"
The background actors in Tibet's attempted 'Crimson Revolution' confirmed that Washington had been preparing another of its infamous Color Revolutions, this time fanning public protests designed to inflict maximum embarrassment on Beijing.

The actors on the ground in and outside Tibet were the usual agencies involved in US-sponsored regime destabilizations, including the State Department's proxy, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). In the case of Tibet, the CIA's Freedom House was also involved.
G7nationsWorldPL UNDERERS

United States

#15 May 20, 2014
The Role of Reporters without Borders
by F. William Engdahl
.globalresearch.ca May 15, 2010

"
Unrest in Tibet in March 2010 and Xinjiang in July 2009 ... were the covert work of a US-financed NGO called National Endowment for Democracy (NED).
Anonymous

New Delhi, India

#18 May 23, 2014
Economy?
Chinese are like their own pigs, eat a lots, no need the real freedom, they think it is the best you have when they have to something eat, no matter who belongs to....hahaha....! How foolishness they are?
McQuan

UK

#19 May 23, 2014
Jake Thomas wrote:
Tibet as an independent country that was never part of China at least before 1280.
Eastern Turkestan and Inner Mongolia also not part of China, because, people in these two countries are not Chinese and nobody call these countries China as well.
But, China itself became part of Japan and Mongolia for several times!
drum head
1280 is too long ago. If that is the case, America belongs to Britain, and that was during 17, 18 century..not 13 century AD.
Anonymous

New Delhi, India

#20 May 23, 2014
Tibet struggle never stopped since Red China invaded Tibet.....America is different, as there is no freedom struggle against America, nor America is destroying a country.....! Chinese pigs are the problem....Tibet is a internationally well-known problem.....that is the Chinese communist regime.....!
Louis

Canada

#21 May 23, 2014
Jake Thomas wrote:
Tibet as an independent country that was never part of China at least before 1280.
Eastern Turkestan and Inner Mongolia also not part of China, because, people in these two countries are not Chinese and nobody call these countries China as well.
But, China itself became part of Japan and Mongolia for several times!
drum head
Again, you are lying. Why don't you study the history of Ming Dynasty, Qing Dynasty, Republic of China, and PRC history.

The easiest way is to take a look at a Germany-made (made in 1735) China map presented by Merkel to Xi Jing Pin a few months ago as gift.

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/china/T6TB1F...
Louis

Canada

#22 May 23, 2014
Ironically, when Indians and those in the west try hard to smear China and support Dalai Lama, India is actually occupying Dharmasala, and Sikkim, both were parts of Tibet under the Ching Dynasty.

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