Lee Hsien Loong's speech this week - Example of news distortion by US media

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Louis

Edmonton, Canada

#1 Jun 26, 2014
Lee Hsien Loong, PM of Singapore visited the USA this week.(1) He talked about conflicts in South China Sea and suggested that every country should try to resolve it in a peaceful manner and by international law.

(2) But he also mentioned that China's claim is based on history and he believed China's history-based land claims has its validity.

But if you look at how his speech was reported by BBC, CNN and the majority of Filipino newspapers, you can find the first statement concerning peaceful resolution and resolution by law.

You will not see the second point about the validity of China's land claims on the basis of history. You won't see what he mentioned about Cheng He and the Chinese and fishermen controlled the South China Sea since Ming Dynasty.
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#2 Jun 26, 2014
DISINFORMATION by the West or USA is nothing new to people who surf the net like us.

But the when it is picked up by opportunists like the ISLAMIC TERRORIST in here "Ottoman", she will turn it into something different by taking it out of context.
tahin

Abbotsford, Australia

#3 Jun 26, 2014
Sigapore PM says resolution dispute is by Law not by force
u big its not mean you got a right
McQuan

UK

#4 Jun 27, 2014
Singapore always acknowledged the u shape map. Singapore's Tommy koh even suggested Japan should acknowledge that that is a dispute in east China sea so that international law can be applied.
Louis

Edmonton, Canada

#5 Jun 27, 2014
tahin wrote:
Sigapore PM says resolution dispute is by Law not by force
u big its not mean you got a right
You are twisting the issue.

Of course you have the right to continue to distort the truth and pretend to be a victim while harrassing the civilian ships and fishermen from China in the the area. That is a primary characteristic of being Vietnamese.

Please look at the evidence existing in the world (including in PRC, Taiwan, and your Vietnam, and Cairo Declarations) that proves that the Paracels do not belong to Vietnam.

Moreover, your former Prime Minister, Pham Van Dong, and foreign affairs minister and ambassador to Beijing had repeatedly issued formal statements/letter in the 1950's to confirm your policy of recognizing Chinese sovereignty over the Paracels (Xisha Islands). Beijing has all these records in government archival, and she submitted them to the United Nations to be distributed to other UN members early this month.

How do you explain why your government-published maps, and elementary and high school textbooks published before the 1970's in Vietnamese language indicated clearly that the Paracels are part of China.

You suddenly reversed your formal statements in the 1970's.

In fact, it is Vietnam who is an aggressor and international law violator.
Lilian Risbey

Canada

#6 Jun 27, 2014
Vietnamese are dishonest in this case.

Filipinos are no better. They violated UNCLOS and their own constitution.

See next post.
Lilian Risbey

Canada

#7 Jun 27, 2014
On issues of sovereignty. Our country formally filed an eight-paragraph document when it ratified Unclos, which declared that nothing in the treaty would apply to its territorial claims. Its Paragraph 4 reads:“Such signing shall not in any manner impair or prejudice the sovereignty of the Philippines over any territory over which it exercises sovereign authority, such as the Kalayaan Islands, and the waters appurtenant thereto.”

In other words, we’ve declared that we do not recognize Unclos when it comes to our territorial disputes, such as that on Scarborough. The only body that can revise that restriction is the Philippine Senate.
And what were China’s qualifications when it ratified Unclos in 1996?

On issues of sovereignty. China in its own declaration said that it “reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People’s Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.” That law declared as part of China what it called the Zhongsha Islands, which included Huangyan (Panatag to us).

In other words, both the Philippines and China—in fact most of the countries which ratified Unclos—don’t recognize the treaty when it comes to determining territorial disputes.

Didn’t they bother check what Unclos tribunal does? Of the 19 cases brought to it since 1997, nearly all were about maritime disputes, i.e., commercial vessels in some tiff with a foreign government. The only case that remotely dealt with sovereignty was about Burma’s (Myanmar) and Bangladesh’s maritime boundaries at the Bay of Bengal between the two countries.

First, Mr. Aquino makes the colossal blunder of sending a warship against Chinese fishermen, thereby militarizing the dispute, even as the vessel embarrassingly turned tail after a few days as it ran out of supplies. Then he insists that the dispute be decided by a court which, however, can’t have jurisdiction over it. This President is making us the laughing stock of the world.
Lilian Risbey

Canada

#8 Jun 27, 2014
Lilian

Canada

#9 Jun 27, 2014
Lilian Risbey wrote:
On issues of sovereignty. Our country formally filed an eight-paragraph document when it ratified Unclos, which declared that nothing in the treaty would apply to its territorial claims. Its Paragraph 4 reads:“Such signing shall not in any manner impair or prejudice the sovereignty of the Philippines over any territory over which it exercises sovereign authority, such as the Kalayaan Islands, and the waters appurtenant thereto.”
In other words, we’ve declared that we do not recognize Unclos when it comes to our territorial disputes, such as that on Scarborough. The only body that can revise that restriction is the Philippine Senate.
And what were China’s qualifications when it ratified Unclos in 1996?
On issues of sovereignty. China in its own declaration said that it “reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People’s Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.” That law declared as part of China what it called the Zhongsha Islands, which included Huangyan (Panatag to us).
In other words, both the Philippines and China—in fact most of the countries which ratified Unclos—don’t recognize the treaty when it comes to determining territorial disputes.
Didn’t they bother check what Unclos tribunal does? Of the 19 cases brought to it since 1997, nearly all were about maritime disputes, i.e., commercial vessels in some tiff with a foreign government. The only case that remotely dealt with sovereignty was about Burma’s (Myanmar) and Bangladesh’s maritime boundaries at the Bay of Bengal between the two countries.
First, Mr. Aquino makes the colossal blunder of sending a warship against Chinese fishermen, thereby militarizing the dispute, even as the vessel embarrassingly turned tail after a few days as it ran out of supplies. Then he insists that the dispute be decided by a court which, however, can’t have jurisdiction over it. This President is making us the laughing stock of the world.
Link to the whole article
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/china/TJGF5V...
tahin

Abbotsford, Australia

#10 Jun 27, 2014
US & JAPAN ask countries to clarify their claim on ASEAN SEA
Pinoy Agreed
tahin

Abbotsford, Australia

#11 Jun 27, 2014
all other claimant denounces china new 10 dash maps
PM Lee says all dispute must settle by international Law
McQuan

London, UK

#12 Jun 28, 2014
tahin wrote:
all other claimant denounces china new 10 dash maps
PM Lee says all dispute must settle by international Law
But pm lee also said Chinese claim has it validity based on history, which US must acknowledge. And there are many international law which you can pick and choose. Singapore's ambassador at large Tommy Koh also said Japan needs to acknowledge the dispute in east China sea so that the case can be subjected to INTERNATIONAL LAW.
Louis

Edmonton, Canada

#13 Jun 28, 2014
McQuan wrote:
<quoted text>
But pm lee also said Chinese claim has it validity based on history, which US must acknowledge. And there are many international law which you can pick and choose. Singapore's ambassador at large Tommy Koh also said Japan needs to acknowledge the dispute in east China sea so that the case can be subjected to INTERNATIONAL LAW.
PM Lee also said China's historical-based sovereignty existed well before any international law.

But this part of the PM's statement has been ignored deliberately by US media.

I read Ming Daily (June 26th Vancouver edition) which has a very objective and thorough report of this.
McQuan

London, UK

#14 Jun 28, 2014
tahin wrote:
US & JAPAN ask countries to clarify their claim on ASEAN SEA
Pinoy Agreed
If you want any hope of legality, at least find a sea that exists....what is ASEAN sea?
Purple

Parramatta, Australia

#15 Jul 4, 2014
US, Australia, Japan, The Philippines, and Vietnam are bastardy countries. Those islands and shoals in South China Seas belong to China, full stop. Of these five foreign devils, the most cunning is US, the most dangerous is Japan, the most ungrateful is Vietnam, the most stupid is The Philippines, and the most despicable is Australia. China has not treated Australia badly but the Aussies always do things to harm China.
Ghengis Khan

Rotorua, New Zealand

#16 Jul 4, 2014
hey Purple, you better include Taiwan, Malaysia, India, and New Zealand, among those "bastardy" countries. Because all these countries hate china like a bad disease.
Japan comes to NZ and Aust next week to discuss the commies aggressive attitude to its weaker neighbours. the forces of good against the force of EVIL
McQuan

UK

#17 Jul 4, 2014
Ghengis Khan wrote:
hey Purple, you better include Taiwan, Malaysia, India, and New Zealand, among those "bastardy" countries. Because all these countries hate china like a bad disease.
Japan comes to NZ and Aust next week to discuss the commies aggressive attitude to its weaker neighbours. the forces of good against the force of EVIL
Nonsense. Currently I have a Taiwanese couple as guests for a week, they are both professors in Taiwanese universities. I asked them on their views of China and public opinion of Taiwanese. They said in reality, despite the media hooha about sunflower movement and all the the chaos in Taiwan, majority of Taiwanese are not pro-independent. Most prefer status quo and many think eventual unification only when conditions are right is the right approach. student minority tends to hijack the greater and important agenda. Therefore at the moment, both sides should encourage further culture and economic integration in a peaceful and stable comfortable pace. Right now Taiwan is paralyzed by political infighting, much like Korea in the 80s.

Malaysia has no issue with China, Malaysia defence minister told America's John Kerry Malaysia is not going to gang up with US to bully China...in the form of "your enemy is not my enemy". NZ is staying clear, but US is keen to drag NZ into his gang. India, we just have to wait and see, he is well aware of US's agenda and will navigate a path that will give India maximum advantage.

The problem now is US pivot in Asia is taking the form of another cold war with US pulling and twisting the arms of its allies to gang up and bully anyone that threatens its interests, namely China in this case. If India becomes strong in Indian ocean, it will use Pakistan and Australia to contain it.
Purple

Parramatta, Australia

#18 Jul 4, 2014
East Asia and South East Asia were peaceful before the Americans announced the "pivot" to Asia in 2009. Since then we saw the provocation by the Japanese, the Philippinos, and the Vietnamese on the issues of those islands. The Chinese had to respond to the challenge and use this opportinity to knock off those clowns. Check the timelines of events since 2009 and you will see the Chinese have been more rational. Still, the Yanks and the Japs are evil.
Ghengis Khan

Rotorua, New Zealand

#19 Jul 4, 2014
Mcquan
95% of Taiwanese are against any unification whatsoever with Communist china. so I do not know where your guest come from,,, maybe they are some of the Chinese that overstay their visa and welcome here each year. This information is freely available on the internet. and the number of avidly pro-indepenance, mainly the younger generation , is growing each year.
Of course, people at the moment prefer the status quo, instead of war, which your commie china threatens us with constantly.
That is why we are very happy to see commie china slapped with some reality by the Japanese and the USA.
You must be very blind if you cannot see what the outrageous territory claims and acts of aggression by china are leading to in our part of the world.
Read your history, china is the new Nazi Germany, but only 100times worse
McQuan

London, UK

#20 Jul 4, 2014
Ghengis Khan wrote:
Mcquan
95% of Taiwanese are against any unification whatsoever with Communist china. so I do not know where your guest come from,,, maybe they are some of the Chinese that overstay their visa and welcome here each year. This information is freely available on the internet. and the number of avidly pro-indepenance, mainly the younger generation , is growing each year.
Of course, people at the moment prefer the status quo, instead of war, which your commie china threatens us with constantly.
That is why we are very happy to see commie china slapped with some reality by the Japanese and the USA.
You must be very blind if you cannot see what the outrageous territory claims and acts of aggression by china are leading to in our part of the world.
Read your history, china is the new Nazi Germany, but only 100times worse
DPP has 40% supporter rate max, that is to say there is a max of 40% pro-independence. In actual fact, pro-independence is a minority within DPP, with younger leader like William Lai and Chen Chu all avocate status quo. Even Tsai Ing-wen herself won't dare to take the independence stand, because it will not help her to win election. At the moment, DPP has problem getting more than half of the votes because it does not have a credible China policy....even a hint of supporting sunflower movement cause poll showing support for DPP to drop. DPP students make a lots of noise, but that didn't translate into winning votes. Taiwanese want a clear and pragmatic political and economic direction, a clear China policy, and not the usual yi shi xing tai attitude passed down from Chen Shui Bian era.

Both friends staying with me at the moment are professors from universities in Taichung, one from green and the other from blue faction, but non of them are pro-independence. They are also interested in my view as an overseas Chinese not from mainland China, Hong Kong or Taiwan. We have a civilised discussion and I think I may have convinced both of them closer integration with China at least economically is the way forward for Taiwan. That is the aspiration of overseas Chinese, and I think I am qualified to speak for majority of the Chinese in South East Asia countries as well.

Now, as for territorial claim, you should know better that Taiwanese ROC's claim is identical to mainland China PRC's claim, because of historical reason. The U-shape map is a KMT map, one that stipulate Japanese's surrender to ROC China and was drawn up following Potsdam and Cairo declaration, followed by treaty of Taipei. Outrageous it may seem, but that is historical fact. Just these few days, Singapore who has so far stayed neutral has come out to say that China's historical claim should be taken seriously. It was Singapore's PM Lee who first said it during his visit to US, and its foreign minister who said it again in the security conference recently. They even said anything China does nowadays tend to be blown out of proportion, which is rather unfair.

How do you quantify China is 100% worse than Nazi Germany? China has yet to fire a single shot in the dispute. Also even as Nazi Germany was an ally of Japanese in WWII, the Nazis Germany even commented that the cruelty of Japanese imperial army was by far worse. I am sure the British Pow will be more than happy to concur with that comment.

With Japan on the path of militarisation, it will ultimately push for an alliance between Korea, China and Russia as a pivot against America and Japan. America's pivot in Asia has a destabilizing effort in Asia, with Asia countries being the losers and America the winner.

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