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NY Times; CCP has lost "Mandate of Heaven"

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CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Port Moody, Canada

#1 Jan 22, 2013
January 22, 2013, 11:37 am

In China, the Appearance of Consensus Is Breaking Down
By KEITH BRADSHER

Jonah M. Kessel for The New York Times
Xiao Qinshan, foreground, demonstrated for free speech from his wheelchair at the offices of the publisher of Southern Weekend in Guangzhou, China.

GUANGZHOU, China — For two decades after the Tiananmen Square crackdown in 1989, China seemed on the surface like a country where free-market and even laissez-faire principles prevailed. It looked as if a consensus had been reached on putting economic policy and the headlong pursuit of affluence ahead of ideology and politics.

That appearance of consensus, which in fact had always masked some internal divisions in the Communist Party and in Chinese society at large, is now breaking down. The question is whether this will lead to greater political openness, an authoritarian clampdown to restore the veneer of stability, or social turmoil — all possibilities that could have hard-to-predict consequences for the country’s economic expansion, and for the world’s.

The unraveling has been visible in several ways, including the large environmental protests that have occurred in nearly a dozen Chinese cities over the last year and a half. Tens of thousands of residents of each of those cities, including Dalian and Tianjin, have turned out in successful efforts to block the construction of chemical factories, smelters and power plants, as fears of pollution outweigh the promise of job creation.

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CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Port Moody, Canada

#2 Jan 22, 2013
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The breakdown was also apparent in September, when thousands of demonstrators carried large portraits of Mao past the Japanese embassy in Beijing as tension between China and Japan mounted over disputed islands near Taiwan.

The protesters’ choice of Mao posters conveyed an undercurrent of criticism of the country’s present leaders, who conspicuously omit Mao and his collectivist ideology from most speeches these days.

And even more recently, the breakdown of the consensus was evident during four days of protests over free speech this month outside the offices here of the most famous crusading newspaper in China, Southern Weekend, also known as Southern Weekly.

The journalists were calling for the removal of a provincial propaganda chief who had rewritten a New Year’s editorial, contorting an anguished review of social troubles into a paean to the accomplishments of the Communist Party.

“It is very clear that the kind of willingness that has been there, in the name of economic growth, to brush everything under the carpet is now gone,” said Odd Arne Westad, a professor of international history at the London School of Economics.

While the police peacefully persuaded demonstrators to go home on the fourth day, it was significant that the protest lasted as long as it did.

“People were standing on the podium saying,‘press freedom, press freedom,’ and the police did not drag them down — it shows that the police in dealing with societal conflict now respect the right of free speech, and it is a new evolution that the people feel they have the right of free speech,” said Yuan Weishi, a retired historian at Sun Yat-Sen University in Guangzhou who is also one of the best-known liberal intellectuals in southern China.

Clutching several placards covered with slogans in Chinese characters, a short-haired young man in a brown jacket bravely hovered near the newspaper’s driveway through the fourth day of the protest, despite police efforts to persuade him to leave. As police officers formed a human wall that moved back and forth to prevent him from walking over to talk to a foreign journalist, he yelled over their shoulders,“The police have no right to prevent me from speaking to anyone.”

While the Chinese Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, that freedom has only infrequently been permitted on a broad scale since the founding of the Communist state in 1949, and seldom in the centuries before that. But the growing perception that the freedom exists or should exist, particularly among young people accustomed to fairly freewheeling discussions on the Internet, suggests a fundamental shift in Chinese society.

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CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Port Moody, Canada

#3 Jan 22, 2013
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Equally important is that young people in China today increasingly seem to feel not only that they have a right to speak out, but also that they have a responsibility to air social problems.

Mr. Westad, who was living in China before, during and immediately after the Tiananmen Square killings, noted that among the young, this sense of personal responsibility in addressing social ills in a public way was last apparent in the 1980s, before nearly disappearing in the subsequent repression and amid the “get rich quick” mentality that later emerged.

What is far less clear is whether the emerging, faint hints of pluralism in China can produce a new social consensus and perhaps even a few tentative steps toward democracy. The question is whether the dialogue will someday produce something like the Arab Spring, which Vali R. Nasr, dean of the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, describes as a series of headless revolutions — hard to decapitate, but also hard to guide, control or predict.

Sharp, conflicting divisions about China’s future were visible at the Southern Weekend protests, and could someday prove to have been an early warning of social schism.

On one side of the newspaper’s driveway were a dozen self-appointed advocates of some combination of stricter authoritarianism, anti-Western nationalism and economic isolationism. These demonstrators, representatives of a “new left” group called Utopia, castigated the newspaper’s journalists as unpatriotic. They also denounced a list of culprits that might have been lifted from a far-right blog in the West, claiming an international conspiracy of financiers, the media and the United States government.

Yet more numerous and more noisy on the other side of the driveway were the free-speech protesters, mostly young journalists and their local supporters, who also received heavy support in Chinese Internet postings. They showed personal courage in assailing a senior censor, a daring that is becoming increasingly common in China as more and more people start standing up to the authorities and often suffer few penalties for doing so — except if they call for a multiparty democracy or a review of the Tiananmen Square killings.

The advocates of greater political openness may have time on their side. Utopia demonstrators tend to be middle-aged, part of a generation whose early education was stunted by the Cultural Revolution when many schools and universities effectively closed.

The free-speech demonstrators were considerably younger and far better educated, beneficiaries of China’s huge expansion of higher education in recent years.

The educated youth of China also seem less inclined for now to support aggressively nationalistic policies toward China’s neighbors, professors and young people say. College students were numerous in a previous round of anti-Japanese protests in 2005, particularly in Guangzhou. But Japanese fashions and popular entertainment have become much more popular among young Chinese since then.

The rioters who overturned and destroyed about 100 Japanese-brand cars during demonstrations in major Chinese cities in September, before a more peaceful march in Beijing, tended to be predominantly older, blue-collar workers.

Mr. Yuan, the historian, said he perceived an evolution in the thinking of the country’s elite.“The mind-set is changing, all the way from the central government to local officials,” he said.
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Port Moody, Canada

#4 Jan 22, 2013
Anyone familiar with Chinese history knows that things are likely to change very quickly now.

May and June are approaching....

HOORAY FOR A FREE CHINA!

GO MY FRIENDS, AND BUILD A BETTER COUNTRY!

You have MUCH SUPPORT AND MANY FRIENDS in the free nations of the world!
Question

Edmonton, Canada

#5 Jan 22, 2013
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP wrote:
January 22, 2013, 11:37 am
In China, the Appearance of Consensus Is Breaking Down
By KEITH BRADSHER
Jonah M. Kessel for The New York Times
Xiao Qinshan, foreground, demonstrated for free speech from his wheelchair at the offices of the publisher of Southern Weekend in Guangzhou, China.
GUANGZHOU, China — For two decades after the Tiananmen Square crackdown in 1989, China seemed on the surface like a country where free-market and even laissez-faire principles prevailed. It looked as if a consensus had been reached on putting economic policy and the headlong pursuit of affluence ahead of ideology and politics.
That appearance of consensus, which in fact had always masked some internal divisions in the Communist Party and in Chinese society at large, is now breaking down. The question is whether this will lead to greater political openness, an authoritarian clampdown to restore the veneer of stability, or social turmoil — all possibilities that could have hard-to-predict consequences for the country’s economic expansion, and for the world’s.
The unraveling has been visible in several ways, including the large environmental protests that have occurred in nearly a dozen Chinese cities over the last year and a half. Tens of thousands of residents of each of those cities, including Dalian and Tianjin, have turned out in successful efforts to block the construction of chemical factories, smelters and power plants, as fears of pollution outweigh the promise of job creation.
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"CCP lost mandate of heaven".

Didn't this imply that the CCP once has the mandate of heaven to govern?

Do right-wing newspapers (such NY Times), and anti-Chinese activists such as Mirotard ever think that the CCP has such a mandate in day 1?

Now you say the CCP once had it, but lost it now.

BTW, let me remind you that the mandate of heaven is a concpet used by the imperialists to fool the Chinese commoners.

The CCP (right or wrong, like it or not), is against any practices or beliefs of feudalistic China. CCP never supports the concepts of the imperialists.

It shows that many people in the west do not understand China and often try to put China into their own framework whenever they discuss Chinese issues.
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Port Moody, Canada

#6 Jan 22, 2013
Let's all work together to help China leave the CCP behind, and enter a better age!

All who love China must side with the Chinese people, and all who endorse this dying joke regime should pay the price of their stupidity and betrayal.
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Port Moody, Canada

#7 Jan 22, 2013
"“People were standing on the podium saying,‘press freedom, press freedom,’ and the police did not drag them down — it shows that the police in dealing with societal conflict now respect the right of free speech, and it is a new evolution that the people feel they have the right of free speech,” said Yuan Weishi, a retired historian at Sun Yat-Sen University in Guangzhou who is also one of the best-known liberal intellectuals in southern China."

Looks like the Chinese Communist Party's very own PAID THUGS are abandoning the CCP in favour of the Chinese people!

Bye bye CCP!
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#8 Jan 22, 2013
"consensus, which in fact had always masked some internal divisions in the Communist Party and in Chinese society at large, is now breaking down."

Yes, the illegitimate and corrupt mass-murdering Chinese Communist Party is WAY PAST its "best before date" ( of November,1949, of course!)and is REALLY STARTING TO STINK UP ALL OF EAST ASIA!

China, THROW THAT STINKY CCP TRASH OUT!
lct

Beijing, China

#9 Jan 22, 2013
southern weekend has a very bad names in china, anyone has a brian knows it.

only very few protestors appeared.
ASIA LATIN AFRO MID EAST

United States

#10 Jan 22, 2013
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP wrote:
"consensus, which in fact had always masked some internal divisions in the Communist Party and in Chinese society at large, is now breaking down."
Yes, the illegitimate and corrupt mass-murdering Chinese Communist Party is WAY PAST its "best before date" ( of November,1949, of course!)and is REALLY STARTING TO STINK UP ALL OF EAST ASIA!
China, THROW THAT STINKY CCP TRASH OUT!
I don't subcribe to Red Book, you lappdog doggy war mongering supporting barbarian AmeriKKKa are worst Warmongering in the world today in moderern history, no comparison to world

You Facist war mongering animal MiroLUBEyo what is like to be be to be smellest MTF Lapdog doggy dog to worlds biggest bully militaristic AmeriKKKa empire mass murders/killers , and to bullyimg, plundering, killing , stealing ... causing dissension among many nations , and know about "American HolocaUST ' that is worst China Mao revoltion

Over 179 nations support Little CUBa freeing from evil US warring sanctions for over 50 years plus , as cuban children died from malnourishments, and you lap doggy dog kowtow to most evil - that is warmongering AmeriKKKa. tome to come down to earth PINHEAD! MWBHAHAHHAHAAA
ASIA LATIN AFRO MID EAST

United States

#12 Jan 22, 2013
U.S. Army's massacre of Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee in the 1890s--the indigenous inhabitants of North and South America endured an unending firestorm of violence. During that time the native population of the Western Hemisphere declined by as many as 100 million people. Indeed, as historian David E. Stannard argues in this stunning new book, the European and white American destruction of the native peoples of the Americas was the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world.Stannard begins with a portrait of the enormous richness and diversity of life in the Americas prior to Columbus's fateful voyage in 1492. He then follows the path of genocide from the Indies to Mexico and Central and South America, then north to Florida, Virginia, and New England, and finally out across the Great Plains and Southwest to California and the North Pacific Coast. Stannard reveals that wherever Europeans or white Americans went, the native people were caught between imported plagues and barbarous atrocities, typically resulting in the annihilation of 95 percent of their populations. What kind of people, he asks, do such horrendous things to others? His highly provocative answer: Christians. Digging deeply into ancient European and Christian attitudes toward sex, race, and war, he finds the cultural ground well prepared by the end of the Middle Ages for the centuries-long genocide campaign that Europeans and their descendants launched--and in places continue to wage--against the New World's original inhabitants. Advancing a thesis that is sure to create much controversy, Stannard contends that the perpetrators of the American Holocaust drew on the same ideological wellspring as did the later architects of the Nazi Holocaust. It is an ideology that remains dangerously alive today, he adds, and one that in recent years has surfaced in American justifications for large-scale military intervention in Southeast Asia and the Middle East.At once sweeping in scope and meticulously detailed, American Holocaust is a work of impassioned scholarship that is certain to ignite intense historical and moral debate.
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#14 Jan 22, 2013
Yes, many died from new diseases in the Americas, just as Europe was ravaged by plague from Asia in the Middle Ages, when hundreds of millions of poor Europeans were killed by Asian diseases. A harsh fate anywhere.

I assume your repetitive, off-topic and feeble "point" is that CCP China NOW is COPYING the discredited and shameful morality of other countries CENTURIES AGO in its GENOCIDES and COLONIAL OCCUPATIONS?

I agree. The Chinese Communist Party is PRIMITIVE and IMMORAL.
ASIA LATIN AFRO MID EAST

United States

#15 Jan 23, 2013
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP wrote:
Yes, many died from new diseases in the Americas, just as Europe was ravaged by plague from Asia in the Middle Ages, when hundreds of millions of poor Europeans were killed by Asian diseases. A harsh fate anywhere.
I assume your repetitive, off-topic and feeble "point" is that CCP China NOW is COPYING the discredited and shameful morality of other countries CENTURIES AGO in its GENOCIDES and COLONIAL OCCUPATIONS?
I agree. The Chinese Communist Party is PRIMITIVE and IMMORAL.
Not off topic, how you like it, you repetitive also and you immoral war mongering lapdoggy Canadian telling me is off topic, grt with i see you losing the debate and telling me not to post, you discredit you yourself by not letting me --- you grasping the straw MiroLUBYA good! And you also post century ago of bad , so why can i not post your evil Fascist Warmongering history(s), so? hypocrite must and in self denial of you facist war crimes on the world. WBHAHHAHHAHAAA i caught you in thwe heat of the moment, you so hot MiroLUBYA baby! BHAHHAHAHAHA

You diMWIT fAScIST wARMONGERING mORON, WHAT YOU talking about is natural causes, you grunting fascist peebrain lover. You have comprehension problem , critical reasoning skill is lacking , you biggest fascist pinhead femme Fatale bimbo. FYI Big difference Mirolybuya Fascist pVSSy ; you mendacious obsequious subservient of grunter grunty girly bimbo, stop licking the GReat Satan bootstaps!

FYI what your talking about, this post of your is about many died by natural causes But ruminated as over 100 millions of native indians of N.America died By genocide and century of MANY PERPETUAL wars and Biowarfare released by your obnoxiously evil- MILITARISTIC - imperialist, insidious world biggest Interventionist warlike Fascist neanderthals AmeriKKKa Military/west that you kowtow to ! Wake up time MiroLUBYA BABY!

i agree biggest world warmongering US/west is MORE BARBARIC AND WAY MORE EVIL and world biggest Warmongers than then thr Chinese and world, Did you know that MiroLUBeYA BABY? You Warmongering pinhead Warmongering bimbi Read up! BWHHAHAHHHAHAHA

NOTE" Not a Red Book Subscribers, you Fascist Pussy, what does that mean, NOT A RED BOOK kowtower, what does that mean?

THIS IS WHAT YOU STAND for, You Canadian lapdoggy bullhead FASCIST WARMONGER MASS MURDERING ANIMALS...
The below is just a tip of iceberg, it does not include many war after wars ansd many wars Since inception of an AmeriKKKa Empire.

UNITED STATES WARS and INTERVENTIONS SINCE 1945:
MILITARY INTERVENTIONS, COVERT OPERATIONS, COUPS AND ATTEMPTED COUPS, ELECTION INTERFERENCE, REGIME CHANGE, COLOR REVOLUTIONS
Hiroshima and Nagasaki (Japan), Philippines, South Korea, Lebanon, Iran, Guatemala, Cuba, Congo/Zaire, Brazil,
Greece, Poland, Turkey, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Chile, Angola, East TImor, Nicaragua,
Grenada, Panama, Kyrgyzstan, Haiti, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, Argentina, Ghana, Venezuela, Bolivia, Hondoras,
Paraguay, Mexico, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Tunesia, Egypt, Libya, Syria,...
"If Nuremberg were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."
Noam Chomsky

SO?

hey all you debaters should use this post to piss off our dumb fascist Warmongering MiroLUBE YA the Whoring Facist pvssy eater AND lICKING HER MASTER gREAT sATAN bOOTSTRAPS..... BQAHAHAHHHAAA

note! not a Subscriber to Red Book and not any Political/religious kowtower like MiroLubeYA a brainwashed EVIL Fascist wARMONGERING Clown! bqhahhhaaaaa
uidiotracemakeWo rldpeace

United States

#16 Jan 23, 2013
"American policymakers, setting themselves up as guardians of the world system, are more inclined than ever to simply disregard international laws and conventions if they get in the way of unrivaled military supremacy. Every instance of U.S. armed intervention ... represents a flagrant violation of regional treaties and laws, not to mention the UN Charter itself, which explicitly prohibits military attacks against sovereign nations - for example, Grenada, Nicaragua, Haiti, Panama, Serbia, and Iraq... In any event, the U.S. has consistently shown its contempt for international bodies, agreements, and procedures that might conflict with its hegemonic aspirations."
Carl Boggs
uidiotracemakeWo rldpeace

United States

#17 Jan 23, 2013
The Pornography of Power

Why Defense Spending Must Be Cut

by Robert Scheer
Twelve Hachette Book Group, paperback, p3

George W Bush surrendered his presidency to those who identified national security with a wildly expansive U.S. presence in the world. And for the military-industrial complex... Bush's transformation represented an end to the menace of fiscal restraint and an enormous windfall of new money from the government in Washington.
uidiotracemakeWo rldpeace

United States

#18 Jan 23, 2013
Confronting the Third World, Gabriel Kolko,

Z magazine, March 2003, p25

A poll in Canada [February 2003] found that over one-third of the population regard the U.S. as the greatest threat to peace.
uidiotracemakeWo rldpeace

United States

#19 Jan 23, 2013
The Committee of 300

by John Coleman
World in Review, 2006, p362


Canada's three main chartered banks [are] the Bank of Nova Scotia, the Canadian Imperial Bank and the Toronto Dominion Bank. Through these three "Crown banks," a network of Committee of 300 agents oversaw the world's second largest dirty drug money laundering operation.

MiroLybya yo canadian evils! BWHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAA
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#20 Jan 23, 2013
New York Times has lost its mind.
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#21 Jan 23, 2013
RayH wrote:
New York Times has lost its mind.
Rather, the impending and inevitable collapse of the decaying and corrupt Chinese Copmmunist Party regime will leave you with a head full of useless lies, and unfit for anything but begging. That will surely drive you insane, "RayHole". But you deserve it for ENDORSING the MASS-MURDERS of Chinese and DEFENDING these KILLERS who you say should remain unpunished forever.

"“People were standing on the podium saying,‘press freedom, press freedom,’ and the police did not drag them down — it shows that the police in dealing with societal conflict now respect the right of free speech, and it is a new evolution that the people feel they have the right of free speech,” said Yuan Weishi, a retired historian at Sun Yat-Sen University in Guangzhou who is also one of the best-known liberal intellectuals in southern China."

Looks like the Chinese Communist Party's very own PAID THUGS are abandoning the CCP in favour of the Chinese people!

Bye bye CCP!

Bye bye "RayHole"!

HA HA HA HA HA!
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#22 Jan 23, 2013
Let's all work together to help China leave the CCP behind, and enter a better age!

All who love China must side with the Chinese people, and all who endorse this dying joke regime should pay the price of their stupidity and betrayal.

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