China's slowdown tests official resolve for reform

Jul 24, 2013 Read more: The News Tribune 12

The latest gloomy data point: A manufacturing survey released Wednesday showed this month's activity fell to an 11-month low.

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amcummer

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Jul 24, 2013
Maybe if you chinkna quit being a trouble maker and stop bothering its neighbors there will be peace and prosperity. That would be the best reform chinkna could ever do. Tsk tsk.
Sheik Yerbouti

Furlong, PA

#2 Jul 24, 2013
amcummer wrote:
Maybe if you chinkna quit being a trouble maker and stop bothering its neighbors there will be peace and prosperity. That would be the best reform china could ever do. Tsk tsk.
The same could be easily said about the united states!
amcummer

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Jul 24, 2013
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
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The same could be easily said about the united states!
So are you a hesbolah or a muslim brotherhood?
amcummer

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Jul 24, 2013
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
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The same could be easily said about the united states!
If ever it won't be as bad as the 1.4 billion Chinese with mostly polluted 9% arable lands. World had better watch out for the Chinese they'll grab everything they can to survive but they seem to be doing good at the moment but It will get bad quickly when it does.
2 Cents

Taipei, Taiwan

#6 Jul 24, 2013
The slowdown was gonna come sooner or later. There's simply no way any economy can grow at double digits forever. It'll be interesting to see if China will be able to pull off a successful transition from an investment led economy to a consumer led economy. A more balanced growth is good for the global economy and China in the long run.
The CCP is DYING

Surrey, Canada

#7 Jul 25, 2013
The SILVER LINING is that for certain the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship will die as it cannot survive even a mild recession......
2 Cents

Taipei, Taiwan

#8 Jul 25, 2013
The CCP is DYING wrote:
The SILVER LINING is that for certain the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship will die as it cannot survive even a mild recession......
Lol, if you're right, maybe we should get rid of our two party system which can survive decades of mismanagement.
The CCP is DYING

Surrey, Canada

#9 Jul 25, 2013
Yes, democracy is enduring and adaptable, and one party systems are all doomed to fail.

Imagine how weak and backwards, hated and crude America would be if the Republicans never, ever left office and were accountable to no-one?

The one-party state is a recipe for disaster for any country.

China is no exception.
2 Cents

Taipei, Taiwan

#10 Jul 25, 2013
The CCP is DYING wrote:
Yes, democracy is enduring and adaptable, and one party systems are all doomed to fail.
Imagine how weak and backwards, hated and crude America would be if the Republicans never, ever left office and were accountable to no-one?
The one-party state is a recipe for disaster for any country.
China is no exception.
That's the problem with democracy isn't it? We have a two party system - both composed of our economic elite - that share the same allegiance to big money donors leading to the gutting of American manufacturing for decades and the largest voluntary transfer of wealth from one country (U.S.) to another country ("Communist" China) ever. Without meaningful choices, democracy is just another tool for social control.

"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."

Thomas Jefferson
The CCP is DYING

Surrey, Canada

#11 Jul 25, 2013
2 Cents wrote:
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That's the problem with democracy isn't it? We have a two party system - both composed of our economic elite - that share the same allegiance to big money donors leading to the gutting of American manufacturing for decades and the largest voluntary transfer of wealth from one country (U.S.) to another country ("Communist" China) ever. Without meaningful choices, democracy is just another tool for social control.
"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."
Thomas Jefferson
Democracy's capacity for change is a STRENGTH not a WEAKNESS.

Meaningful choices are created by the people who can say and do as they wish in a democracy. Canada has seen many political parties wither and die, and new ones take their place with new people and new ideas.

In contrast, one-party states are a colossal failure everywhere. Many democracies are centuries old now. Can you name a single, solitary one-party state that has lasted more than the dead USSR's 73 years?

You can't because there aren't any.

There aren't any.
2 Cents

Taipei, Taiwan

#12 Jul 25, 2013
The CCP is DYING wrote:
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Democracy's capacity for change is a STRENGTH not a WEAKNESS.
Meaningful choices are created by the people who can say and do as they wish in a democracy. Canada has seen many political parties wither and die, and new ones take their place with new people and new ideas.
In contrast, one-party states are a colossal failure everywhere. Many democracies are centuries old now. Can you name a single, solitary one-party state that has lasted more than the dead USSR's 73 years?
You can't because there aren't any.
There aren't any.
The CCP is DYING wrote:
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Democracy's capacity for change is a STRENGTH not a WEAKNESS.
Meaningful choices are created by the people who can say and do as they wish in a democracy. Canada has seen many political parties wither and die, and new ones take their place with new people and new ideas.
In contrast, one-party states are a colossal failure everywhere. Many democracies are centuries old now. Can you name a single, solitary one-party state that has lasted more than the dead USSR's 73 years?
You can't because there aren't any.
There aren't any.
I think you are equating the concept of constitutionally protected rights with the concept of democracy as in there is freedom of speech in a democratic government were officials are elected by citizens. I don't think freedom of speech and democracy is synonymous with each other since democracies can and do place limits on free speech (some reasonably and others less so)- for example, in Germany it is illegal to deny the holocaust while in Indonesia, arrests for political speech is still common.

As for democracies being more stable, I completely agree with you that they outlast the longevity of one party states. Unfortunately, in elections on the national level for large countries, it is impossible to win without selling out to special interests groups with the money that you need to fund your campaign. To win the presidency in the U.S. will take over one billion dollars in the next election. Without meaningful choices, elections are just a means of social control by giving the masses the illusion of self governance. So longevity does not necessarily equate to good governance.

Finally, I disagree that one party states are a failure everywhere. It bears noting that many of Asia's most successful economies did quiet well when they were under one party rule, e.g. Singapore, Japan and Taiwan.
The CCP is DYING

Port Moody, Canada

#13 Jul 26, 2013
2 Cents wrote:
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I think you are equating the concept of constitutionally protected rights with the concept of democracy as in there is freedom of speech in a democratic government were officials are elected by citizens. I don't think freedom of speech and democracy is synonymous with each other since democracies can and do place limits on free speech (some reasonably and others less so)- for example, in Germany it is illegal to deny the holocaust while in Indonesia, arrests for political speech is still common.
As for democracies being more stable, I completely agree with you that they outlast the longevity of one party states. Unfortunately, in elections on the national level for large countries, it is impossible to win without selling out to special interests groups with the money that you need to fund your campaign. To win the presidency in the U.S. will take over one billion dollars in the next election. Without meaningful choices, elections are just a means of social control by giving the masses the illusion of self governance. So longevity does not necessarily equate to good governance.
Finally, I disagree that one party states are a failure everywhere. It bears noting that many of Asia's most successful economies did quiet well when they were under one party rule, e.g. Singapore, Japan and Taiwan.
There are limits to free speech in every country it exists in, of course, but there are NO "constitutionally protected rights" at all in ANY one-party state so it is obviously you who are confused or intend to mislead.

And yes, you need broad support to run for office and have any chance of winning, of course. But in Canada the second-biggest political party and Federal opposition accepts NO DONATIONS FROM CORPORATIONS AT ALL! NOT A CENT! So, how can you say that all political parties are puppets of corporations; it's just not true.

The FACT is that elections are much more than "instruments of social control", and determine policy via the choice of the electorate. The electorate has often rejected governments that had to leave power. Pretending that none of that actually happens only makes you look dishonest. A Conservative government that had a clear majority for a decade under Mulroney in Canada was reduced to two paltry seats in Parliament after a series of arrogant and unpopular pro-business tax cuts and subsidies in the '80's; the voters kicked them out in spite of their massive financial support from their corporate pals. That proves you are either ignorant or deluded in thinking that elections are irrelevant or just a scam. They work, and express the will of the people. THAT is why DEMOCRACIES are the most STABLE GOVERNMENTS, and the most prosperous countries, as you yourself admit.

Japan was not a one-party state at any time post-war, so you should learn a bit of history before making such fake claims. Taiwan's one-party state is dead. Singapore's will die with its creator.

One-party states are all failures, inevitably.

The Chinese Communist Party regime will collapse as well, inevitably.

Get with the program.

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