Vietnam Says China Must Avoid Trade W...

Vietnam Says China Must Avoid Trade Weapon in Maritime Disputes

There are 137 comments on the Bloomberg story from Dec 2, 2012, titled Vietnam Says China Must Avoid Trade Weapon in Maritime Disputes. In it, Bloomberg reports that:

Vietnam said China should avoid using trade as a weapon in maritime disagreements after diplomatic tensions led to a slump in exports from Japan when Chinese consumers boycotted the goods of its Asian neighbor.

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THE MAN WITH NO TROUSER

Steyning, UK

#104 Dec 5, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
<quoted text>
The water hegemon
China’s unrivaled control of rivers and refusal to share water is a dangerous game
China has identified another mega-dam site on the Brahmaputra at Daduqia, which, like Metog, is to harness the force of an almost 3,000m drop in the river’s height as it takes a sharp southerly turn from the Himalayan range into India, forming the world’s longest and steepest canyon. The Brahmaputra Canyon — twice as deep as the Grand Canyon in the US — holds Asia’s greatest untapped water reserves.
The countries likely to bear the brunt of such massive diversion of waters are those located farthest downstream on rivers like the Brahmaputra and Mekong — Bangladesh, whose very future is threatened by climate and environmental change, and Vietnam, a rice bowl of Asia. China’s water appropriations from the Illy River threaten to turn Kazakhstan’s Lake Balkhash into another Aral Sea, which has shrunk to less than half its original size.
In addition, China has planned the “Great Western Route,” the proposed third leg of the Great South-North Water Diversion Project — the most ambitious inter-river and inter-basin transfer program ever conceived — whose first two legs, involving internal rivers in China’s ethnic Han heartland, are scheduled to be completed within three years. The Great Western Route, centered on the Tibetan Plateau, is designed to divert waters, including from international rivers, to the Yellow River, the main river of water-stressed northern China, which also originates in Tibet.
With its industry now dominating the global hydropower-equipment market, China has also emerged as the largest dam builder overseas. From Pakistani--held Kashmir to Myanmar’s troubled Kachin and Shan states, China has widened its dam building to disputed or insurgency--torn areas, despite local backlashes.
For example, units of the People’s Liberation Army are engaged in dam and other strategic projects in the restive, Shiite-majority region of Gilgit-Baltistan in Pakistan-held Kashmir. And China’s dam building inside Myanmar to generate power for export to Chinese provinces has contributed to renewed bloody fighting recently, ending a 17-year ceasefire between the Kachin Independence Army and the government.
As with its territorial and maritime disputes with India, Vietnam, Japan and others, China is seeking to disrupt the status quo on international river flows. Persuading it to halt further unilateral appropriation of shared waters has thus become pivotal to Asian peace and stability.
Otherwise, China is likely to emerge as the master of Asia’s water taps, thereby acquiring tremendous leverage over its neighbors’ behavior.
.http://www.taipeitimes.com/Ne ws/editorials/archives/2011/10 /17/2003515941/2
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hi,hi,hi,
look good but very difficulty to swallow my china man friends,,.

THE DAM YOU JUST MENTIONED ABOVE,,there was a DAM BUST project just done the job,,IT BUST 2 DAYS AGO AND UNFORTUNATELY 2 MAN IN THE
DAM BUST project went with it,,. very sad to loose 2 life for the china man build the DAM,,

WHAT CAN CHINA DO ??
jai

London, UK

#105 Dec 5, 2012
brahmaputra cannot be compared with mekong.brahma is a rain fed river.ganga is the kingmaker and not brahmaputra.
THE MAN WITH NO TROUSER

Steyning, UK

#106 Dec 5, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
China taking control of Asia’s water tower
May 2nd 2012
Its vast ice sheets and monsoon run-off make the Tibetan plateau one of the largest sources of fresh water on an increasingly thirsty planet. It supplies 1.3 billion people with water for irrigation and drinking, and offers the promise of unparalleled hydropower. But who owns this water? As China looks to claim the vast flows that emerge from the water tower of Asia, what of the rights of its downstream neighbours? With hydro-engineers moving in, questions like these are fast becoming incendiary geopolitics. China is centre stage: it has plans to dam or divert each of the five great rivers that emerge from Tibet’s high plateau before tumbling into neighbouring countries – the Indus, Brahmaputra, Irrawaddy, Salween and Mekong. The projects have sparked simmering disputes between China and its neighbours.
The starting gun in a race to control Tibet’s rivers may have been fired with a court order from India’s Supreme Court last month, calling for work to begin on canals that will link many of India’s largest rivers. The scheme’s lynchpin is a 400-kilometre-long canal that will divert water from the Brahmaputra to the Ganges to irrigate water-starved fields 1000 kilometres to the south. The court decision is partly a reaction to nascent Chinese schemes to dam and divert the Brahmaputra further upstream in Tibet. For now, the Brahmaputra remains one of the planet’s last great untamed rivers. That may soon change. In addition to the Indian diversion plan, Chinese engineers want to tap the river in the Tsangpo canyon. There they could build two hydroelectric plants, each delivering twice the power of the Three Gorges dam on the Yangtze, currently the world’s largest dam. Even further upstream, engineers have drawn up plans to divert up to 40 per cent of the river’s flow to irrigate crops on China’s northern plains.
The plans are making Bangladesh and India, which both lie downstream on the Brahmaputra, very nervous. India faces a water crisis, and sees the Brahmaputra as its largest untapped water source. But the real victim could be Bangladesh, which relies on the river for two-thirds of its water, much of it for irrigation during the long dry season. Nearly 20 million Bangladeshi farmers depend on the river to water their crops. The competing projects could lead to a resource conflict between India and China, and an environmental catastrophe for Bangladesh, Robert Wirsing of Georgetown University School of Foreign Service in Qatar warned a conference on water security held in Oxford, UK, last week.
Until recently, China mostly dammed rivers flowing within its borders. But to meet soaring demand for energy and irrigation, its engineers have moved on to international rivers.
http://www.populationmatters.org/2012/newswat...
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THERE IS ALWAYS HAVE HAD AN A SPECIAL ENGINEERING AS A DAM BUST,,.

THE DAM CHINA MAN BUILD ON THE Mekong river, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT,,.

SO THEY SENT IN AN ENGINEERING DAM BUST PROJECT,,.
THEY SAID WELL IS IT VERY BAD,, FOR Environment,,so they asked china don't continua,,but china ignore,,then they just BUST IT,,2 DAYS AGO,,the sad thing was there was
2 life were loose in this Dam Busting business,,

SO WHAT CAN CHINA DO ????? YOU BUILD THEY BUST,,

YOU BUILD THEY BUST,,CONTINUE TO BUST,,

watching out for a falling bricks MY china man,FRIENDS,,,

MY INDIAN FRIENDS DROPPING CURRY POWER ON YOU,,,

THEN WE JUST COME TO PICKING YOU UP ONCE BY ONCE,,IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKE,, but we must do it,,then hand it over to china man anti communist regime ,,

then Asian will live in peace,,INDIAN NATIO FLAG CAN FLYING HIGH AT THE EAST SEA ALONG WITH THE OTHER,,.

HOW IS THIS SOUND TO YOU,,?
THE MAN WITH NO TROUSER

Steyning, UK

#107 Dec 6, 2012
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>I was born in Hanoi. Don't call me Chinese.
You racist has no right to exclude me from VN. Some of my ancestors were from China 8 generations ago, and some ancestors were not from china. They probably were more native than you are.
Who in VN does not have some Chinese blood?
People in south Vietnam are sick and that is why they deny their roots, and try to stir up hate against China and the Chinese.
Chinese people, regardless of their ethnicity, are our cousins who share common ancient ancestors with us.
That is why China does not want to attack Vietnam despite the disputes between both countries.
You should appreciate the Chinese.
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well,well,well,
you were born in the NORTH VIETNAM WERE you ?

we knew that,,
did your relatives immigrated in to my south of vn sine 1945,,54,,and 56,,? any once of them go to France,?

DID YOU KNOWN THAT,,South Vietnam belong to My CHAMPA and Khmer people don't you ?

so you are a backy right ?,,
you are a chinese,right,? if you had your gene as a chinese so what is the point for you to adding your mouth piece in to our vietnamese debating at a moment, SO YOU ARE A TAU BAC right,?

China was close to you,, why didn't you go over there to settlement your spirit with your ancestor there INSTEAD of going to Canada ?
for a welfare,,?

taking my adviser backy chinese,,keep quire ,,enjoy welfare let us finding a best solution for viet people in side vietnam only yeah,,

viet cong kicked you out during china and vietnam conflict in 1979,,now you are back with them aren't you,,?

well i wish you will,, but you must stay at the corner,,there,,don't move,,. i told you,,
old china

Chengdu, China

#108 Dec 6, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
China should just cut off their water
You cannot stop water beyond the time that it takes to fill a reservoir. You can divert it but it can be VERY expensive digging a canal.
jai

London, UK

#109 Dec 6, 2012
why china supports pakistan i.e. islam ? when it surely not a religion.india supports china territorial integrity 100 percent. tibetness are just nomads.
THE MAN WITH NO TROUSER

Steyning, UK

#110 Dec 6, 2012
old china wrote:
<quoted text>
You cannot stop water beyond the time that it takes to fill a reservoir. You can divert it but it can be VERY expensive digging a canal.
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any way the china build that DAM ON THE MEKONG RIVER UNFINISHED PROJECT,,

but is it BUST 2 DAYS AGO,,
NO TROUSER

Steyning, UK

#111 Dec 6, 2012
china said vietnam has verble against them,,
vietnam navy patrol-ed stopped and chased them chinese fisherman,,AT HAINAN is land tHEN BLAME CHINESE HARASSED THEM,,
i believe china said,
little viet cong trying to hitting the drum to summons up to the world,,,,determent to making Chinese NAVAL bad Reputation,,.
Snowflake

San Francisco, CA

#112 Dec 6, 2012
The dam will be fixed very shortly. VN is a lap dog of China, it just barks but still must listen to China just like in its 2,000 yr history.
jai

London, UK

#113 Dec 6, 2012
snowflake why china supports cultist islimic virus pakistan. we don't support tibeten nomads. why are you against us.
NO TROUSER

Steyning, UK

#114 Dec 6, 2012
Snowflake wrote:
The dam will be fixed very shortly. VN is a lap dog of China, it just barks but still must listen to China just like in its 2,000 yr history.
.

yeah,,
but i am glad vietnam can do it to them chink chong you see,,.
they stopped them chink chong fisherman,,and took all of their catches,,and kicked them out of chink chong water,,

do you think them vietcong show off their muscle to chink chong that they can handle chink chong with out any hesitate,,?

well i like it any how,,.
come on vietcong,, the law on your side,,
the world be with you,,

NO TROUSER

Steyning, UK

#115 Dec 6, 2012
Snowflake wrote:
The dam will be fixed very shortly. VN is a lap dog of China, it just barks but still must listen to China just like in its 2,000 yr history.
.

hi,hi,hi,
did you known,,them viet beat ten chinese occupied a thousand years ?

AN NAM they retreated a long those islands at Philippine Indonesia,

Then they come back to kicked chink chong out of they country,,
very smoothly,,

hi,hi,hi, i like it any how,,
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#116 Dec 6, 2012
THE MAN WITH NO TROUSER wrote:
<quoted text>.
WELL,,WELL,WELL,,
what can china do ,,if there is a DAM BUST project involve,,
the Dam you talking about it just BUST 2 DAYS AGO,,.
TAKING 2 KHMER DAM BUST MAN WITH IT,,.
talking any thing else,,?
yes a damn that was still "under construction..." yet holding onto too much water already...

dosent mean they cant build the damn and divert the water eventually...

your just hoping every one they build breaks...

which aint going to happen
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#117 Dec 6, 2012
btw that damn was in Cambodia... looks like they are rushing to get

hydroelectric power
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#118 Dec 6, 2012
old china wrote:
<quoted text>
You cannot stop water beyond the time that it takes to fill a reservoir. You can divert it but it can be VERY expensive digging a canal.
with the water shortages in China... they may have no other options
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#119 Dec 6, 2012
NO TROUSER wrote:
<quoted text>.
hi,hi,hi,
did you known,,them viet beat ten chinese occupied a thousand years ?
AN NAM they retreated a long those islands at Philippine Indonesia,
Then they come back to kicked chink chong out of they country,,
very smoothly,,
hi,hi,hi, i like it any how,,
Sino-Vietnamese conflicts 1979–1990 was a series of border clashes between China and Vietnam following the Sino-Vietnamese War in 1979.

When Chinese troops withdrew from Vietnam in March 1979 after the war, China announced that they were not ambitious for "any square inch of the territory of Vietnam".[1] In fact, Chinese troops occupied an area of 60 km2 [2], which was disputed land controlled by Vietnam before hostilities broke out. In some places such as the area around Friendship Gate in Lang Son, Chinese troops occupied territories which have no military value but important symbolic value. Elsewhere, Chinese troops occupied the strategic positions of military importance as a springboard to attack Vietnam.[3]

The Chinese occupation of border territory angered Vietnam, and this ushered in a series of fights between the two sides to gain control of the area. Border conflicts between Vietnam and China continued until 1988, peaking in the years 1984-1985.[4] By the early 1990s, along with the withdrawal of Vietnam from Cambodia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, relationship between the two countries gradually returned normal. China gradually withdrew from the positions controlled by Vietnam before the conflict broke out.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflic... –1990
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#120 Dec 6, 2012
In Defense of Socialism, 1990–1991

After the collapse of socialist regimes in Eastern Europe, the VCP chief and defense minister sought an ideological alliance with China.

As Party Chief Nguyen Van Linh explained to the Chinese ambassador to Vietnam on
June 5, 1990, the situation was marked by the West’s offensive to eliminate socialism
and concurrently the difficulties of the Soviet Union in defending socialism.

In this situation, Linh concluded,“China should raise high the banner of socialism and stick to Marxism-Leninism.”22 Linh and Defense Minister Le Duc Anh hoped that China would take the leadership of the world’s socialist forces; they indicated to the ambassador that they were ready to meet Chinese leaders to discuss solidarity between the two states to fight imperialism.

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On September 2 that year, Vietnam’s Independence Day, the party and government chiefs did not stay in Hanoi to celebrate the 45th birthday of their state but instead flew to Chengdu, China, for a secret summit with Chinese leaders, the first since the mid-1970s.

The Vietnamese understood that their acceptance
of the time, place, and participants was a sign of deference to China.

Participants included Vietnam’s elder statesman Pham Van Dong but not China’s paramount leader Deng Xiaoping; Foreign Minister Thach was excluded. During the meeting, the Vietnamese also let the Chinese dictate the terms of negotiation;this should be seen against the background of a decade-long hostility between the two countries.

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The Vietnamese had urgent reasons for taking this approach. At the time, the counterweight of the Soviet Union was no longer available and Vietnam was still isolated, regionally and globally. In China, Vietnam faced a disproportionately powerful neighbor, and in order to prevent Chinese aggression, Hanoi had to pay deference to Beijing. It appeared to be the calculation of Pham Van
Dong and, to some extent, Prime Minister Do Muoi.

Yet, as discussed above, General Secretary Nguyen Van Linh had different concerns and priorities.
His primary intention at Chengdu was to discuss how to protect socialism from the West, led by the United States. Although the Chinese refused to play the solidarity game, Linh and his successors over the next decade kept trying to reestablish the Sino-Vietnamese relationship on an ideological basis.

www.scribd.com/doc/6595569/Anh-Lams-paper
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

Delta, Canada

#121 Dec 6, 2012
Most of Vietnam’s major projects in Chinese hands
Last updated: 8/7/2010 17:40

Chinese's predominant role in many of Vietnam’s major projects is sparking concerns among national officials.

Up to 90 percent of Vietnam’s Engineering - Procurement -Construction (EPC) projects are in the hands of Chinese contractors, said Pham Thi Loan of the National Assembly’s Finance and Budgets Committee, at a conference held Friday in Hanoi.

EPC contractors draft designs, procure necessary materials and oversee construction of an entire project. They are entitled to bring in their own labor force or subcontract work to Vietnamese firms.

Most of these projects pertain to oil and gas, chemicals, power, and textiles, Loan said at the conference.

Up to 30 Chinese companies have secured contracts for the country’s major projects, including energy deals worth of billions of dollars, according to VNExpress.

Vietnam will continue to invest in huge development projects, but “if Chinese companies continue to control major energy contracts, the nation's energy security will remain very disconcerting,” Loan was quoted as saying.

Economics expert Bui Kien Thanh attributes the dominance of Chinese contractors to complex bidding specifications. The large projects often require bidders to meet international standards. At the moment, he says very few Vietnamese companies are eligable for these jobs.

Thanh added that Vietnamese companies are rarely sub-contracted by the Chinese firms who are known for importing labor and materials.

Other experts have expressed concern that local manufacturers and laborers have not been given preference, leaving the door wide open for foreign companies to seek government business.

The experts alleged that a reliance on foreign contractors has put Vietnam at risk of adding to its trade deficit, which was the nation's biggest economic bugaboo this year.

According to the General Statistics Office, Vietnam’s trade deficit stood at US$7.4 billion over the past seven months, accounting for 19.4 percent of export turnover.

Last month the trade deficit reached $1.15 billion (or 19.8 percent of export turnover). The government, meanwhile, has previously expressed an interest in keeping that figure below 20 percent, VnExpress said.
NO TROUSER

Steyning, UK

#122 Dec 6, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
<quoted text>
yes a damn that was still "under construction..." yet holding onto too much water already...
dosent mean they cant build the damn and divert the water eventually...
your just hoping every one they build breaks...
which aint going to happen
.

what Dam are you saying about,,?

the Dam china build on the Mekong river,,it hasn't finishing the construction yet,,.
but it BUST 2 DAYS AGO,,it took away 2 life with it,,.
and you telling this forum that the DAM still there,,.

might the Dam you are talking about it was on the side of TIBET,,
Not down there friend,,down there they has a DAM BUST PROJECT,,
NO TROUSER

Steyning, UK

#123 Dec 6, 2012
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
<quoted text>
Sino-Vietnamese conflicts 1979–1990 was a series of border clashes between China and Vietnam following the Sino-Vietnamese War in 1979.
When Chinese troops withdrew from Vietnam in March 1979 after the war, China announced that they were not ambitious for "any square inch of the territory of Vietnam".[1] In fact, Chinese troops occupied an area of 60 km2 [2], which was disputed land controlled by Vietnam before hostilities broke out. In some places such as the area around Friendship Gate in Lang Son, Chinese troops occupied territories which have no military value but important symbolic value. Elsewhere, Chinese troops occupied the strategic positions of military importance as a springboard to attack Vietnam.[3]
The Chinese occupation of border territory angered Vietnam, and this ushered in a series of fights between the two sides to gain control of the area. Border conflicts between Vietnam and China continued until 1988, peaking in the years 1984-1985.[4] By the early 1990s, along with the withdrawal of Vietnam from Cambodia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, relationship between the two countries gradually returned normal. China gradually withdrew from the positions controlled by Vietnam before the conflict broke out.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflic... –1990
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I KNEW THAT,,THANK YOU VERY MUCH,,
i am the once draft the plant to DEFENDING CHINA INVADED in 1979,,.

china was wrong predicted,,china has fire a 30,000 rockets in to North vietnam border before their troops enter in to vietnam,,

but at that time we has 30.000 troops inside china already,,.
we cut off chinese supplies lanes,,from inside china,,.
we rounded them up,,we forced them to surrender ,,.

we ties them up like a frogs,,
that was me draft that plant,,we went to china in later 1979 to signer an agreement permanent peaceful at the border,,.
then i just left,,

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