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WeAreHongKongese

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Nov 24, 2012
 
23 November 2012 Last updated at 07:45 ET

Hong Kong and China: Growing apart?
By John Simpson

World Affairs Editor, BBC News
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Fifteen years after the handover of Hong Kong, the new Chinese leadership in Beijing is getting increasingly nervous about the former colony's independent-mindedness.

A senior Chinese official in charge of Hong Kong affairs, Zhang Xiaoming, has accused "external powers" - presumably Britain and the US - of helping opposition parties in Hong Kong.

Writing in Hong Kong's pro-Beijing newspaper Wen Wei Po, Mr Zhang insisted that new legislation was required to stop any such interference.

This has caused fury among the politicians and activists known as "pan-democrats" in Hong Kong. Many believe that a crisis between Beijing and Hong Kong is building up.

When outgoing Chinese President Hu Jintao visited Hong Kong in July, he was greeted by people demonstrating against what they saw as efforts to remake the territory in China's own image.

Some of the demonstrators turned up with the old colonial flag, which had the Union Jack in the top left-hand corner.

'We are Hong Kongese'

The people who brandished the flag were all were young Hong Kong Chinese. Few if any can have been in their teens when Hong Kong was handed over to China.

They were not demanding a return to British rule - instead they were emphasising the separateness of Hong Kong. But they saw the flag as the symbol of their distinctive existence, and of the protection which the British authorities used to give them.

In Victoria Park - all the old British-era names have been retained in Hong Kong - I met one of the organisers of the flag protest, Danny Chan. He is only 26.

"We aren't British, and we aren't Chinese," he told me. "We are Hong Kongese, and we want to stay that way."

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Nov 24, 2012
 
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Now there is a new fear: that China will feel it has to step in and do something about this growing sense of differentiation between Hong Kong and the mainland.

In September there was a fresh cause for anger. The Chinese government wanted Hong Kong schools and universities to start teaching the Chinese version of history, in particular to give a favourable account of the Chinese Communist Party.

The demonstrations, at which the colonial flag was again waved with great enthusiasm by some of the protesters, were so big and so intense that the local Hong Kong government caved in and agreed not to introduce the new lessons.

Fifteen years ago, this kind of independent-mindedness on the part of Hong Kong's people seemed unthinkable.

I reported for the BBC on the handover in June 1997, and at that stage it seemed fair to assume that Hong Kong would swiftly be submerged in a greater China.

The people of Hong Kong had always gone along quietly enough with their colonial rulers, and it seemed only reasonable that they would now go along with their Communist ones.

Growing apart?

At midnight on 30 June 1997, after the final ceremony of the handover had taken place, the royal yacht Britannia sailed out of Victoria Harbour, brilliantly lit and taking the Prince of Wales and the last Hong Kong Governor, Chris Patten, with her.

I was invited to a celebratory cocktail party given by the Chinese government. The windows of the Convention Centre, where it was held, looked out at Britannia as she made her way to the sea.


But the Hong Kong businessmen at the party ostentatiously kept their backs turned to the historic sight below them.

I felt at the time that it was a sign of the way things were going in Hong Kong. And yet, 15 years later, it has turned out very differently.

Now there is a new fear - that China will feel it has to step in and do something about this growing sense of differentiation between Hong Kong and the mainland.

In 2017, if things go according to plan, the chief executive in Hong Kong - in effect its prime minister - will be popularly elected. At the moment Beijing nominates a senior Hong Kong figure for the job.

China is clearly worried that if the chief minister is elected, this will encourage a greater sense of independence among Hong Kong people. Many pan-democrats are afraid that China is looking for ways to postpone it, or even stop it altogether.

Everything depends on the attitude of the new leadership which has taken over in Beijing.

Zhang Xiaoming's article in the Hong Kong press, blaming it all on "outside powers", is not a good omen.
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Nov 24, 2012
 
power to the people of HK
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in this world, there is no power can make China and HK grow apart.
Xi Jinping is a CRIMINAL

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Nov 24, 2012
 
lct wrote:
in this world, there is no power can make China and HK grow apart.
You fool, the very nature of the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship is doing just that.

It is good, though, that you CCP lackeys remain blind and stupid in the face of the coming changes in China.

Very convenient for us who love China and Hong Kong.
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Nov 24, 2012
 
Xi Jinping is a CRIMINAL wrote:
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You fool, the very nature of the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship is doing just that.
It is good, though, that you CCP lackeys remain blind and stupid in the face of the coming changes in China.
Very convenient for us who love China and Hong Kong.
you are a bigger fool, deaperately escape from reeducation camp.:)
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Nov 24, 2012
 
Yes, you are a "useful idiot".

"re-education camp"

Tell us more of the system of secret concentration camps the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship runs to terrorize the Chinese people.

The United Nations says the Chinese Communist Party's use of TORTURE on CHINESE is "routine and widespread".

Confess your crimes, "Comrade Ick"!
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Nov 24, 2012
 
Xi Jinping is a CRIMINAL wrote:
Yes, you are a "useful idiot".
"re-education camp"
Tell us more of the system of secret concentration camps the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship runs to terrorize the Chinese people.
The United Nations says the Chinese Communist Party's use of TORTURE on CHINESE is "routine and widespread".
Confess your crimes, "Comrade Ick"!
so you don't have to be in HK. stay where you belong. I'm sure your government will provent you from 'TORTURE' of Chinese.

in the end, it is your gov. manage you, not CCP.:)
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Nov 24, 2012
 
lct wrote:
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so you don't have to be in HK. stay where you belong. I'm sure your government will provent you from 'TORTURE' of Chinese.
in the end, it is your gov. manage you, not CCP.:)
So, "Comrade Ick", you refuse to confess the crimes you have committed against the Chinese people, and choose to babble on about fictitious "foreign enemies"!

Come, come "Comrade"!

Nobody believes that tired old Red Scam shiht anymore! Don't you KNOW that?
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Nov 24, 2012
 
Xi Jinping is a CRIMINAL wrote:
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So, "Comrade Ick", you refuse to confess the crimes you have committed against the Chinese people, and choose to babble on about fictitious "foreign enemies"!
Come, come "Comrade"!
Nobody believes that tired old Red Scam shiht anymore! Don't you KNOW that?
I don't, and I won't.

until you confess all the crime of yours.:)

LOSER.
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Nov 24, 2012
 
lct wrote:
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I don't, and I won't.
until you confess all the crime of yours.:)
LOSER.
Now, "Comrade".

You know it will be much easier for you if you cooperate.

If we must have public sessions, then we must "Comrade", but it will not be pretty after 60 years of murder, theft, incompetence and crimes against your own people!

Be reasonable and confess.

You were telling us of "re-education camp"

Tell us more of the system of secret concentration camps the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship runs to terrorize the Chinese people.

The United Nations says the Chinese Communist Party's use of TORTURE on CHINESE is "routine and widespread".

Confess your crimes, "Comrade Ick"!
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Nov 24, 2012
 
Xi Jinping is a CRIMINAL wrote:
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Now, "Comrade".
You know it will be much easier for you if you cooperate.
If we must have public sessions, then we must "Comrade", but it will not be pretty after 60 years of murder, theft, incompetence and crimes against your own people!
Be reasonable and confess.
You were telling us of "re-education camp"
Tell us more of the system of secret concentration camps the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship runs to terrorize the Chinese people.
The United Nations says the Chinese Communist Party's use of TORTURE on CHINESE is "routine and widespread".
Confess your crimes, "Comrade Ick"!
it won't be easy for you, or for me.

but it is doesn't matter for me.

I never live my life for even a tiny part for you.:)

hooligan.
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Nov 24, 2012
 
lct wrote:
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it won't be easy for you, or for me.
but it is doesn't matter for me.
I never live my life for even a tiny part for you.:)
hooligan.
I am only being like a good "comrade", showing you the correct path.

You BOASTED of your "re-education camp" and its power over the enslaved Chinese people.

Tell us more of the system of secret concentration camps the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship runs to terrorize the Chinese people.

The United Nations says the Chinese Communist Party's use of TORTURE on CHINESE is "routine and widespread".

Confess your crimes, "Comrade Ick"!
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Nov 24, 2012
 
Xi Jinping is a CRIMINAL wrote:
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I am only being like a good "comrade", showing you the correct path.
You BOASTED of your "re-education camp" and its power over the enslaved Chinese people.
Tell us more of the system of secret concentration camps the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship runs to terrorize the Chinese people.
The United Nations says the Chinese Communist Party's use of TORTURE on CHINESE is "routine and widespread".
Confess your crimes, "Comrade Ick"!
mirotard, we take you as comrade.:) you need reeducation camp chairman Mao style.

stay where you belong.:)
lct

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Nov 24, 2012
 
we DON'T take you as comrade.

sorry for wron typing.
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Nov 24, 2012
 
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we DON'T take you as comrade.
sorry for wron typing.
Yes, it is understandable that you are nervous and confused in the face of your guilt.

Take a moment to collect your thoughts.

Now, you BOASTED of your "re-education camp" and its power over the enslaved Chinese people.

Tell us more of the system of secret concentration camps the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship runs to terrorize the Chinese people.

The United Nations says the Chinese Communist Party's use of TORTURE on CHINESE is "routine and widespread".

Confess your crimes, "Comrade Ick"!
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Nov 24, 2012
 
Xi Jinping is a CRIMINAL wrote:
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Yes, it is understandable that you are nervous and confused in the face of your guilt.
Take a moment to collect your thoughts.
Now, you BOASTED of your "re-education camp" and its power over the enslaved Chinese people.
Tell us more of the system of secret concentration camps the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship runs to terrorize the Chinese people.
The United Nations says the Chinese Communist Party's use of TORTURE on CHINESE is "routine and widespread".
Confess your crimes, "Comrade Ick"!
wishful thinking.
OCCUPY TIANANNMEN

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Nov 24, 2012
 
Ah, but you BOASTED of your "re-education camp" and its power over the enslaved Chinese people, Comrade.

Tell us more of the system of secret concentration camps the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship runs to terrorize the Chinese people.

The United Nations says the Chinese Communist Party's use of TORTURE on CHINESE is "routine and widespread".

We realize how ashamed you are of your CCP system of political terror, who wouldn't be?

But you really should confess your crimes, "Comrade Ick", for China!
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Nov 24, 2012
 
OCCUPY TIANANNMEN wrote:
Ah, but you BOASTED of your "re-education camp" and its power over the enslaved Chinese people, Comrade.
Tell us more of the system of secret concentration camps the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship runs to terrorize the Chinese people.
The United Nations says the Chinese Communist Party's use of TORTURE on CHINESE is "routine and widespread".
We realize how ashamed you are of your CCP system of political terror, who wouldn't be?
But you really should confess your crimes, "Comrade Ick", for China!
there is noone enslave you untill you are willing to be a slave.

no, you are not comrade of anyone.:)
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Nov 24, 2012
 
lct wrote:
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there is noone enslave you untill you are willing to be a slave.
no, you are not comrade of anyone.:)
So you CLAIM the Chinese people are "willing slaves", but BOAST of the concentration camps and system of political terror that enslaves them?

"Comrade Ick", you are only digging yourself a deeper hole.

Why do you have such HORRIBLE CONTEMPT for the Chinese people?

Is the systematic cultivation of this contempt practiced by your CCP gang/cult to blame for your uncivil and unpatriotic attitude towards your fellow citizens?

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