Spain court names ex-China president in probe

Oct 11, 2013 Full story: MyFoxAtlanta 30

Spain's National Court is widening a probe into alleged genocide by China against Tibet to include former Chinese President Hu Jintao.

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Hu Jin Tao GENOCIDE TRIAL

Port Moody, Canada

#21 Oct 21, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
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Because the grounds for the charges of genocide are "aimed at eliminating the uniqueness and existence of Tibet" (quoted from the article and for which the technical term is "assimilation") of which CCP COULD BE responsible but Spain doesn't have the moral right to judge other countries, and which is something they have been doing as a bread and circus to distract their people from their own current economic problems and their own atrocities of which they are letting the perpetrators walk away because judging them won't politically convenient.
Spain actually has done that with other countries while avoiding to discuss their own issues. Like when they went after Pinochet which ideologically speaking had more in common with Franco than with the CCP and the Chileans who still supported Pinochet unsurprisingly went out to the streets with signs that said stuff like "Haz patria, mata un Español".
But does that in any way make the Chinese Communist Party's REPEATED GENOCIDES against its own people acceptable?

The CCP is, after all, the BIGGEST MASS-MURDERER IN TWENTIETH CENTURY HISTORY. Why should its CRIMES be ignored, as you advocate?

Blaming Spain for taking a moral stance against genocide seems pretty low.

Is THAT why you are HIDING now?
Eduardo

Mexico

#22 Oct 21, 2013
Hu Jin Tao GENOCIDE TRIAL wrote:
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But does that in any way make the Chinese Communist Party's REPEATED GENOCIDES against its own people acceptable?
The CCP is, after all, the BIGGEST MASS-MURDERER IN TWENTIETH CENTURY HISTORY. Why should its CRIMES be ignored, as you advocate?
Blaming Spain for taking a moral stance against genocide seems pretty low.
Is THAT why you are HIDING now?
Hiding? I think is easier to take a side on a dispute between two regimes but how am I going to know if the people of China want the regime they have or why if they don't want it they don't take it down. If you ask ME then I would say the most disastrous option for the Chinese would be to have their own "Spring" like the Arabs, the could end up having a weak feeble regime that can't negotiate or control the other factions so it would only really control a part of the country and have many terrorists attacks, would support a Velvet revolution but is only the Chinese who can decide that.

I think that even if thinks are worst in China than in other countries the constant growth gives the population a hope that things will keep getting better and better. If they had an economic crisis after another they would probably taken down the CCP regime a long time ago themselves.

Like what happened here in Mexico, from the late 70's to the late 90's we only have one economic crisis after another every presidential term and the dissatisfation kept accumulating until we just voted the PRI off. Notice that the PRI is now back in power because many people didn't like the way the PAN was taking the country, the increase in the violence even if it was for the sake of taking the Drug Cartels down was too much for most people here.
Hu Jin Tao GENOCIDE TRIAL

Surrey, Canada

#23 Oct 21, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
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Hiding? I think is easier to take a side on a dispute between two regimes but how am I going to know if the people of China want the regime they have or why if they don't want it they don't take it down. If you ask ME then I would say the most disastrous option for the Chinese would be to have their own "Spring" like the Arabs, the could end up having a weak feeble regime that can't negotiate or control the other factions so it would only really control a part of the country and have many terrorists attacks, would support a Velvet revolution but is only the Chinese who can decide that.
I think that even if thinks are worst in China than in other countries the constant growth gives the population a hope that things will keep getting better and better. If they had an economic crisis after another they would probably taken down the CCP regime a long time ago themselves.
Like what happened here in Mexico, from the late 70's to the late 90's we only have one economic crisis after another every presidential term and the dissatisfation kept accumulating until we just voted the PRI off. Notice that the PRI is now back in power because many people didn't like the way the PAN was taking the country, the increase in the violence even if it was for the sake of taking the Drug Cartels down was too much for most people here.
You must be remarkably naive and simple-minded indeed to pretend that your statement "how am I going to know if the people of China want the regime they have or why if they don't want it they don't take it down?" is somehow anything other than a confession of total ignorance and utter indifference to what goes on under genocidal communist dictatorships. Ask the Chinese about the 70 million MURDERED by the regime....oh wait, you can't ask them because all discussion of the truth will land them in CCP gulag, eh?

And then you BOAST about how your own regime is in bed with criminals......?

Ok. You made your point that you don't give a fuhk about how many Chinese die suffering under CCP dictatorship just so you can cherish your illusions and justify your own weaknesses. I get it.
Eduardo

Mexico

#24 Oct 22, 2013
No, I am saying that Mexico is a democracy and people voted to work with the cartels rather than with the West whose citizens and weapon manufacturing companies have no problem smuggling weapons to conflict zones in the country to support subversive groups like the cartels and at the same time demand that we stop them but respecting their "human rights" like la Reina del Pacifico which is imprisoned but gets to order clothes from shops and food in the U.S. yeah very "humane" of them.

I am against this, I actually support the idea that Cartels member should be treated like they are treated in PRC, Malaysia, or Singapore regardless of what the West may think. If you are a Narco then you should be sent to work camps or be executed, just like that.
Hu Jin Tao GENOCIDE TRIAL

Surrey, Canada

#25 Oct 22, 2013
Well, I'm saying China is NOT a democracy so don't stupidly pretend it is. Your idiocy is confirmed by your feeble attempt to portray the PRI as some sort of socialist regime, and not the pathetic and corrupt scam that kept Mexico impoverished for so long.

And, for christsakes, If you are so "tough" on narcos in one sentence, why do you PRAISE them and their PRI allies in another, if you are not a confused, lying fool?
Hu Jin Tao GENOCIDE TRIAL

Port Moody, Canada

#26 Oct 23, 2013
What? No more DESPERATE EXCUSES in support of the mass-murdering CCP dictatorship that has MURDERED more of its own people than any modern regime and uses political terror to "cling to power", "Eduardo"??

HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Eduardo

Mexico

#27 Oct 24, 2013
Hu Jin Tao GENOCIDE TRIAL wrote:
Well, I'm saying China is NOT a democracy so don't stupidly pretend it is. Your idiocy is confirmed by your feeble attempt to portray the PRI as some sort of socialist regime, and not the pathetic and corrupt scam that kept Mexico impoverished for so long.
And, for christsakes, If you are so "tough" on narcos in one sentence, why do you PRAISE them and their PRI allies in another, if you are not a confused, lying fool?
I am not praising them. You can dig in the posts to show one where I praise them. I didn't say the PRI was socialist either, I don't really know where you are getting all this stuff from and you are free to look for my posts if you can find one where I actually say that sort of stuff.

The PRI doesn't have a consistence ideology they always follow the ideology promoted by their current leader, they have gone from Nationalist-Atheist to Socialist to Neo-Liberalism to something called Social-Democracy, whatever that is. They currently claim, not my works you can google that yourself, that they are a "Center-Left" party.
The people who voted for them were in many cases people dissatisfied by the lack of results in the War on Drugs who didn't wanted to vote for the PRD which they saw as similar minded to Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales. I myself didn't vote for any of the three big parties but for a small one because I liked his ideas better.
Hu Jin Tao GENOCIDE TRIAL

Port Moody, Canada

#28 Oct 24, 2013
Well, saying that a gang of mass-murderers like the CCP should remain in power and never be held to account for their crimes is not "praise" (a word I did not use), but "support".

So you SUPPORT the mass-murdering CCP, but do not "praise" them. I stand corrected.

But the CCP you endorse is, after all, the BIGGEST MASS-MURDERER IN TWENTIETH CENTURY HISTORY.

So why should its CRIMES be ignored, as you advocate?

Blaming Spain for taking a moral stance against genocide seems pretty low, as I said.
Eduardo

Mexico

#29 Oct 24, 2013
Hu Jin Tao GENOCIDE TRIAL wrote:
Well, saying that a gang of mass-murderers like the CCP should remain in power and never be held to account for their crimes is not "praise" (a word I did not use), but "support".
So you SUPPORT the mass-murdering CCP, but do not "praise" them. I stand corrected.
But the CCP you endorse is, after all, the BIGGEST MASS-MURDERER IN TWENTIETH CENTURY HISTORY.
So why should its CRIMES be ignored, as you advocate?
Blaming Spain for taking a moral stance against genocide seems pretty low, as I said.
Aaah but Spain is not denouncing the murder of millions of Chinese, they are denouncing the destruction of the Tibetan culture. Even if you could say that they are doing the right thing for the wrong reasons it actually gives the CCP the opportunity to promote Tibetans as interlopers of Westerns Anti-Chinese interests. You already saw that on the tour of the Olympic torch around the World with the people protesting on behalf of the Tibetans and the Chinese diaspora in those same countries staging counter-protests against what they saw as anti-Chinese bigotry. The reality is that only the Chinese can change the situation of the Tibetans and whether or not the CCP stays in power.
Hu Jin Tao GENOCIDE TRIAL

Port Moody, Canada

#30 Oct 24, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
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Aaah but Spain is not denouncing the murder of millions of Chinese, they are denouncing the destruction of the Tibetan culture. Even if you could say that they are doing the right thing for the wrong reasons it actually gives the CCP the opportunity to promote Tibetans as interlopers of Westerns Anti-Chinese interests. You already saw that on the tour of the Olympic torch around the World with the people protesting on behalf of the Tibetans and the Chinese diaspora in those same countries staging counter-protests against what they saw as anti-Chinese bigotry. The reality is that only the Chinese can change the situation of the Tibetans and whether or not the CCP stays in power.
So your theory is that by ignoring ALL the crimes of the CCP regime, we can best achieve justice?

Seems incredibly stupid or dishonest.

The Chinese diaspora has to be threatened or paid to show up. In Canada, Chinese students told media that CCP China threatened their families in China if they did not show up in "support" of the Hu Jin Tao when he visited. So, your theory of supporting CCP thugs to seek justice is revealed in its full idiocy.

Of course only the Chinese can change China.

But I want to help bring that about.

You want to stay silent and thereby endorse the CCP criminals, probably just in case they cling to power for some time.

I act, you sit on your hands.

I love China, you are concerned solely with self-interest.

It's clear.

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